EPA Enforcement in 2012 Protects Communities From Harmful Pollution

[Clean County PW]

Dang that was post #777 on this topic, why couldn't that been on a slot machine somewhere! Lol

You dawg... Good one David..lol

 

[Clean County PW]

Hey Tony-- I'm not being mean-- I'm just trying to figure out what your intentions are because I have a hard time dealing with inconsistencies. They don't make sense to me.

Is what you want to do again which is the "Contractors for Contractors" what exactly are you meaning by that?

 

[Tony Shelton]

No inconsistency John. Distributors were unable to deal with or stop this onslaught on our industry. Some, because they were complicit, some because they were fooled.

They also have to appear neutral on a lot of issues to avoid offending their customer base. Because of this they cannot always lay their cards on the table like contractors can.

They are needed for advisement and discussion regarding BMPs and the equipment available for us to use. But the last place they need to be is demonstrating equipment with a bullhorn to regulators without a group of contractors in the room who actually use the equipment. They have no place interacting alone with regulators. It is like sending Marion Barry in to do a drug sting.

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[Clean County PW]

No inconsistency John. Distributors were unable to deal with or stop this onslaught on our industry. Some, because they were complicit, some because they were fooled.
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I wonder what Jerry,Paul K.,Pete,Russ Johnson, Bob from Pressure Tek.,Tom from ACR,John From Envirospec,Vinny from Industrial Equipment etc etc etc who can not be a part of helping contractors to deal with regulators.
I think your wrong on this and also unfair to think that they should not be involved in any way shape or form.
It's there industry to...
I also think it's wrong the way you portray Robert and his son.

Will have to agree to disagree on this and all I can do is wish you luck cause your going to need it.

 

[Tony Shelton]

I wonder what Jerry,Paul K.,Pete,Russ Johnson, Bob from Pressure Tek.,Tom from ACR,John From Envirospec,Vinny from Industrial Equipment etc etc etc who can not be a part of helping contractors to deal with regulators.
I think your wrong on this and also unfair to think that they should not be involved in any way shape or form.
It's there industry to...
I also think it's wrong the way you portray Robert and his son.

Will have to agree to disagree on this and all I can do is wish you luck cause your going to need it.

You thought I was wrong about the former UAMCC too.

I hope you remember how foolish you felt when the truth hit you like a hammer.

I like to learn from my mistakes and if it were me I would at least open my mind in an effort to not look so foolish this time around.

Good luck John.

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[Clean County PW]

Good luck John.

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Thanks--- same to you as well Tony. Goodnight

 

[Tony Shelton]

Thanks--- same to you as well Tony. Goodnight

Goodnight John, I hope you don't feel all this is a personal indictment on you. You, like some of the distributors are just working with the information you've been fed. There does come a time when you have to let go of pride and look at this from a logical angle rather than through blind trust.

Good night man, get some rest!

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

To whom ever cares to view it. Here are a few video that were shot in Houston at a public educational event. Sargent Walsh discuss how a contractor was actually very influential in getting the tough restriction in Houston.

The contractor was upset because he was told how he should do it but the laws were not being enforced. After making a large investment in the equipment to do it the right way found that competitors were not recovering their wash water.

http://youtu.be/Vqh_XTBqyUs
http://youtu.be/lXknIpnKszk
http://youtu.be/r488wsC6NHA
http://youtu.be/TohjRA2pgz4

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/static/departments/publicutilities/pdf/WQ-01 Surface Cleaning.pdf

Lets Survey these contractors on your program ?

http://www.gwinnettcounty.com/porta...tection/IndustrialInspections/SurfaceCleaning

I'm curious to here from them

Past Comments

http://www.propowerwash.com/board/upload/showthread.php?8401-Gwinnett-County-GA-Stormwater-approval

 

[Guy Blackmon]

I thought the Contractor in question was a woman? She called the Mayor, City Council Members, everyone she could and narc-ed out other Contractors because she invested a bunch of money in reclaim equipment...that she may have not needed at all.

She didn't "Rat Out" other Contractors because of her love of the environment, she did it because a Distributor told her that if she bought all this reclaim equipment she would be the only Company able to clean compliantly and make a truck load of money.

Her company went out of business and she had to move out of town............Karma...................Then the "Powers That Be" Really Screwed It Up.

That whole situation could have been handled so much differently.

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

 

[Doug Rucker]

I thought the Contractor in question was a woman? She called the Mayor, City Council Members, everyone she could and narc-ed out other Contractors because she invested a bunch of money in reclaim equipment...that she may have not needed at all.

She didn't "Rat Out" other Contractors because of her love of the environment, she did it because a Distributor told her that if she bought all this reclaim equipment she would be the only Company able to clean compliantly and make a truck load of money.

Her company went out of business and she had to move out of town............Karma...................Then the "Powers That Be" Really Screwed It Up.

That whole situation could have been handled so much differently.

You are correct Sir.


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[Robert Hinderliter]

 

[Ron Musgraves]

Pretty Interesting here the Water they Trap is good enough to clean with but not good enough to allow to go back into there system. ummm

This morning they told me that its designed for daily cleaning use.

 

[Clean County PW]

Man I wish I went to Houston. Big mistake. Live and learn.

 

[810f250]

Nigel, I'm just doing the math on this. Billions! of auto-miles - This means oil, grease, antifreeze, brake dust etc, all on a substrate of tar. This source dwarfs others. Some good independent analysis of all the various runoffs would be great.

I agree on the independent analysis, if contractors want to present a strong case , we need to show beyond what we may consider logic, we need to present specific scientific evidence as a group IMO.

And Tom and Nigel, let's look at two examples of environmental cleaning:

1) Your Gas station Nigel, is cleaned monthly at a reasonable rate.
Each month the station is swept clean of garbage cigarette butts, etc, oils spots, transmission fluid, and coolant are dry cleaned with absorbent and placed in the trash.
Contaminant specific filters or booms filter the runoff.
The place is cleaned in a short time using only one small engine further reducing air contamination.
What little debris is left after filtering is dealt with by the built in system.
Fuel and labor costs are reduced. Customer is happy, his station is clean and his customers fuel up at a pleasant fuel pad.
You have a steady monthly income.

2) Your gas station is cleaned annually due to high cost.
The same pre-cleaning BMPs are used. But where the monthly cleanings provided 11 additional opportunities to collect debris, now the debris from cigarette butts to motor oil are left for rain events to wash off directly into the onsite treatment. The onsite treatment now has to deal with 11 more months of heavy, unfiltered runoff each month to further clog the system.
Cleaning takes much longer, is much harder to accomplish and will most certainly require soap or chems to get clean. Cleaning now requires more power equipment working near fuel pumps.
Stains are left longer making them harder or impossible to remove further making our industry look incompetent.
Additionally, you are working so infrequently it is easy for the customer to skip services, or hire someone else because he forgot who you are.
No steady income.
Onsite system clogged with more oil and debris and requires more often service.
Contractor appears ineffective.
Pads become filthy and look like a third world country.

Nigel, this is the real world effect that we are seeing in our travels around the country.

Option #1 is better for the contractor, the customer and the environment


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The effects of Option # 1 looks good on paper.

As you indicated their are three interdependent parties involved.


The contractor: I understand Option #1 benefits

The customers : They have to understand option #1 benefits, this decision is subject to factors/constraints on the owner, (attitude, budget, local ordinances, etc)

The Authority Having Jurisdiction: Ultimately they are the ones that have jurisdiction on the use of the storm water BMP use for option #1.

Tony, what can we offer/suggest to the AHJ's as "containment specific filters" and methods that may satisfy them?
We may also need to prove our claim of minimal effect on storm water BMP installation and it resulting outfall quality/improvement. The may also want a procedure for check and balances (maybe an NPDES permit for contractor)
The last challenge would be for AHJ's to change the ordinances on the books.

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

Pretty Interesting here the Water they Trap is good enough to clean with but not good enough to allow to go back into there system. ummm

This morning they told me that its designed for daily cleaning use.

This company exhibits at StormCon.com every year.

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

In order to determine the least expensive BMPs for complying with the Clean Water Act several items need to be evaluated, which are:

1. Does the Jurisdiction have Cosmetic Power Washing BMPs (State, County, or Municipality). Oregon and Tennessee have state Permit that are required. Most Municipalities over 100,000 population have Guidelines and BMPs.
   *Required Information_______________________________________
2. What BMPs are required to discharge to the Sanitary Sewer?
   Needed Information:__________________________________________
3. What is being washed?
   *Required Information_________________.
4. Where is the Washing Taking Place: County or City? This will determine what BMPs (Best Manage Practices) you are dealing with. You have to know what jurisdiction you are washing in.
   *Required Information________________.
5. Is the jurisdiction over 100,000 or below 100,000 population? This will determine whether you are washing in a NPDES Phase I or NPDES Phase II jurisdiction.
   
   Above or below 100,000 population: __________________________
6. What are the Contaminants? Is it Hazardous Waste? Avoid Hazardous Waste, a whole set of different rules apply.
   1. Hydrocarbons (Fats, Oil, Grease [FOG])_____________________
      1. Heavy Machinery (High FOGs, Dirt, & Sludge)__________________
      2. Kitchen Grease Exhaust Cleaning (High Animal Fats, and Grease)_______________________________
      3. Oriental Kitchen Grease Exhaust Cleaning , this is more like paint (shellac) stripping____________________
   2. Sludge and Debris (Dirt, Silt, Sand, Debris)___________________
      1. Heavy (Construction and Dirt Moving Equipment, over 20#) __________________
      2. Medium (Mud, over 20#)________________
   3. Light (atmospheric, road dust, Less than 10#)___________________
   4. Heavy Metals___________________________
   5. Zinc? __________________________________
7. Wash Water Capture:
8. What type of surface are you washing on?
   *Required Information_________
   1. Asphalt_____________________
   2. Clay________________________
   3. Concrete____________________
   4. Gravel______________________
   5. Sand_______________________
   6. Dirt_________________________
   7. Other_______________________
9. Where does the Waste Wash Water Flow to?
   *Required Information________________
   _______________________________________________________
   1. Where are the Storm Drains? *Required Information_________
   2. Discharge to Landscaping
      1. For discharge to landscaping for bioremediation you need to follow the following:
         1. Limit discharge to 1,000 gallons per acre month.
         2. Do not discharge to landscaping if there is any potential to reach drinking ground water supply. What is the hydrology from the surface to drinking ground water supply? If you are in Fort Lauderdale, FL where you can hit ground water digging a Post Hole for a fence do not discharge to Landscaping, you can contaminate your neighbors ground water in as little as an hour.
            Required information:_______________________________
   3. Where is the Sanitary Sewer? *Required Information_______________
   4. Is the Sanitary Sewer connected to a Septic System?
      *Required Information____________________________
   5. Is the Sanitary Sewer connected to a Public Owned Treatment Works (POTW)? *Required Information_________
      1. Is there a Sand Trap, Oil/Water Separator, Grease Trap, Coin-op Car Wash, Drive-thru Car Wash, or Truck Wash on site to discharge your waste water into?
         *Required Information_________
      2. If connected to a POTW, what Municipality, County, etc. is the Sanitary Sewer Connected to? Is the property in the City Limits?
         *Required Information_________
10. Are you within in 20 Miles of a University where students commonly pass by? Over 80% of the tickets issued are within 20 miles of a University.
    How close are you to a University Setting?­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­­________________________
11. Waste Water Discharge
12. The first and best option is to discharge waste water on site into the customer’s sanitary sewer. When this can be done hauling the waste water is not required.
    
    However, most Municipalities will require certain BMPs to be followed. To discharge on site the facility will have to be connected to a POTW which allows waste water to be discharged to their Sanitary Sewer System. A lot of Municipalities will allow waste water to be discharged to their sanitary sewer systems as long as you follow the EPA’s Model Ordinance on their website for Cosmetic Cleaning.
    
    PWNA (Power Washers of North America) has developed BMPs that meet the requirements of the EPA’s Model Ordinance. Can you discharge to the Sanitary Sewer on site:
    Required Information:_______________
13. If the Wash Waste Water cannot be discharged on site then two options:
    1. Total Recycling of your waste water, normally the most expensive option.
    2. Hauling your waste water to a proper disposal site such as:
       1. Municipal Trucked Waste Water Dump Station
          *Required Information_________
       2. Privately owned Sand Trap, Oil/Water Separator, Grease Trap, Coin-op Car Wash, Drive-thru Car Wash, or Truck Wash.
          *Required Information_____________________
14. Waste Water Capture.
    1. The simplest way to capture waste water is with a sump pump. The sump pump needs to be self-priming and able to run dry for several hours without damage.
    2. The second most common way to capture waste water is with a vacuum. These range in capabilities from simple Vacuums available at consumer stores to Industrial Models that have to capability to remediate your waste water to meet Sanitary Sewer Guidelines with automatic discharge capabilities while pulling a vacuum. Consumer Vacuums normally will not discharge while vacuuming and the Vac Motor has to be turned off for the pump-out to work.
    3. Automatic Waste Water Recovery Tools
       1. Vacuum Recovery Tools, like Concrete Cleaners with vacuum hook ups.
       2. Water Recover Scrubbers; like Tennant Floor Machines with wash water recovery.
    4. Water Control Devices are tools used to control the flow of Waste Water so that it can be captured.
       1. Portable Dams: Water Bladders (Potable Dams and Drain Blockers)
       2. Drain Blockers: Water Bladders, Sand Bags, and Synthetic Sticky Plates that will attach to a drain and block it.
       3. Portable Wash Pits and Portable Wash Pads.
       4. Permanent Wash Pads or Washing Areas.

Please call Robert Hinderliter @ 817-366-3041 if you have any questions.

 

[Ron Musgraves]

This company exhibits at StormCon.com every year.

Why would your slide say no cleaning when the website and personal say yes?


Robert if we can't get you to talk about the incorrect info in your presentation whats the use?

 

[Robert Hinderliter]

Why would your slide say no cleaning when the website and personal say yes?


Robert if we can't get you to talk about the incorrect info in your presentation whats the use?

What link are you asking about? Not enough information.