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It sounds to me like some unknown Redneck Preacher is trying to make a name for himself, at the expense of Americans abroad, and possibly here :nono:. I am NO Lover Of Islam, but why fan the flames, and stir up chit ?

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- If building an Islamic center near ground zero amounts to the epitome of Muslim insensitivity, as critics of the project have claimed, what should the world make of Terry Jones, the evangelical pastor here who plans to memorialize the Sept. 11 attacks with a bonfire of Qurans?
Jones, 58, a former hotel manager, argues that as an American Christian he has a right to burn Islam's sacred book because "it's full of lies." And in another era, he might have been easily ignored, as he was last year when he posted a sign at his church declaring "Islam is of the devil."
But now the global spotlight has shifted. With the debate in New York putting religious tensions front and center, Jones has suddenly attracted thousands of fans and critics on Facebook, while around the world he is being presented as a symbol of American anti-Islamic sentiment.

Muslim leaders in several countries, including Egypt and Indonesia, have formally condemned him and his church, the Dove World Outreach Center.


An Islamic group in England has also incorporated his efforts into a YouTube video that encourages Muslims to "rise up and act," widening a concern that Jones - though clearly a fringe figure with only 50 members in his church - could spark riots or terrorism.
Jones said he sincerely hoped that his planned Quran-burning would not lead to violence. He dismissed the idea that it could put U.S. troops at greater risk, and he said that his church was being persecuted.
He said his bank recently demanded immediate repayment of the $140,000 balance on the church mortgage; that his property insurance had been canceled since he announced in late July that he intended to burn copies of the Quran; and that death threats now come in regularly.
"We have to be careful," he said. He tapped a holster on his right hip; it held a .40-caliber pistol, which he said he was licensed to carry. "The overall response," he added, "has been much greater than we expected."
Jones appears to be largely oblivious to the potential consequences of his plans.
He said that nothing in particular had set him off. Asked about his knowledge of the Quran, he said plainly: "I have no experience with it whatsoever. I only know what the Bible says."

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Here's more, read what General Petraeus Says ?

Fla. Minister: Quran Burning Still Planned


Wednesday, 08 Sep 2010 06:58 AM
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The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said he was still praying about whether go through with his plan to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, which the White House, religious leaders and others are pressuring him to call off.
The Rev. Terry Jones said he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip but still did not back off his plan Tuesday to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God and insist be treated with the utmost respect. The 58-year-old minister said the death threats started not long after he proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."
Supporters, though, have been mailing copies of the holy text to his church of about 50 followers to be incinerated in a bonfire on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
Gen. David Petraeus took the rare step of a military leader taking a position on a domestic matter when he warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence." :angry:

Jones responded that he is also concerned but is "wondering, 'When do we stop?'" He refused to cancel the protest at his Dove World Outreach Center but said he was still praying about it.
"How much do we back down? How many times do we back down?" Jones told the AP. "Instead of us backing down, maybe it's time to stand up. Maybe it's time to send a message to radical Islam that we will not tolerate their behavior."
Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his church declaring "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning idea attracted wider attention. It drew rebukes from Muslim nations and at home as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.
His actions most likely would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear in several landmark rulings that speech deemed offensive to many people, even the majority of people, cannot be suppressed by the government unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or amounts to an incitement to violence, legal experts said.
The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit, but he said lawyers have told him he has the right to burn the Qurans, with or without the city's permission.
Legal or not, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting Tuesday with religious leaders to discuss recent attacks on Muslims and mosques around the U.S. called the planned burning idiotic and dangerous, according to a Justice Department official. The official requested anonymity because the meeting was private.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton added her disapproval at a dinner in observance of Iftar, the breaking of the daily fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
"I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths," Clinton said.
Local religious leaders in this progressive Florida city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus also criticized the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events — some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church on Saturday.
Gainesville's new mayor, Craig Lowe, who during his campaign became the target of a Jones-led protest because he is openly gay, has declared Sept. 11 Interfaith Solidarity Day in the city.
At the White House, spokesman Robert Gibbs echoed the concerns raised by Petraeus. "Any type of activity like that that puts our troops in harm's way would be a concern to this administration," Gibbs told reporters.
The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.
Muslims consider the Quran along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad to be sacred. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect Quran is deeply offensive.
Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.
The world's leading Sunni Muslim institution of learning, Al-Azhar University in Egypt, accused the church of stirring up hate and discrimination, and called on other American churches speak out against it.
Last month, Indonesian Muslims demonstrated outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, threatening violence if Jones goes through with it.
Jones dismisses the response of the other churches as "cowardly." He said even if they think burning Qurans is extreme, Christian ministers should be standing with him in denouncing the principles of Islam.
 
I dont think anything good will come of it, but they seem to burn our flag at will. Everytime there is a protest on the news, there's our flag burning for all to see. We are a country of free religion but try and build a catholic church in any muslim country and they will behead you.

Now, if I had my way I would just end all this bulls&%t with a couple of them bombs that japan is familiar with. We have become a country of pussies were to worried about how we will look to the rest of the world.
 
It is interesting how people do things that Christ himself would not do, in his name. It looks bad for our nation, it looks bad for ALL religions, and it looks really bad for the little podunk, redneck church. (it only has 50 members.)
I just cannot get over how people can hate like that, in the name of their version of religion. It doesn't make sense to me.
 
If and when it happens radical muslims will make sure videos of it will be played over and over in their countries depicting it as average American sentiments.

Only good for a recruiting tool for new muslim nuts.

As Don Corleone once said "keep your friends close but your enemies closer".
 
IndyExterior said:
If and when it happens radical muslims will make sure videos of it will be played over and over in their countries depicting it as average American sentiments.

Only good for a recruiting tool for new muslim nuts.

As Don Corleone once said "keep your friends close but your enemies closer".
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Exactly! All so some unknown redneck preacher can make a name for himself. I mean I am all for freedom of speech, but when it compromises our Troops abroad WTF ?
 
In the political sense I like it. It will only serve to bring more nutcases out for us to take target practice at.

On the religious side, I believe this man may have been doing the right thing - IF he was doing it in 1000 BC. But 2000 years ago we were presented with a different way of dealing with this type of thing.

Why did God order mass killing of citizens in idol worshipping countries in the old Testament?

Here are my conclusions:

Idol worship watered down the value of life and produced a culture where murder was not only tolerated, but was the norm. It also opened the door for the ignorant public to be led by any murderous leader because that type of thinking allowed for no moral absolutes (see Hitler).

Enter Judaism. Judaism brought a firm set of rules to live by. These rules were not only personal rules, but government rules. These rules kept the nation safe, thus kept the future savior safe.

Cultures like the Philistines, Amorites, Ammonites, etc were not only a threat to the Israelites, but were also a threat to us. Because if the Israelites were wiped out, our future hope would be gone also. This was never going to happen and God ensured it by using the hand of men to wipe out the threats.

In many cases, the entire culture was ordered wiped out by God. This may sound bad, but in every single case where the Jews failed to completely wipe them out something came back to bite them. (I can provide a reference or two if you'd like)

Once the Messiah was born and his job complete there was no need for militant protection of his bloodline/people. He brought on a new way. His way left the national/cultural/regional protection up to the government, not the church.

The job of the government was relegated to infrastructure, law enforcement, punishing wrongdoers and fighting necessary wars so the church didn't have to get mixed up in it. That's not to say that Christians weren't a part of the government. The Church included MANY soldiers and fighters. But it wasn't the JOB of the Church itself to punish wrongdoers anymore unless it was the wrongdoers within its own membership.

So, in conclusion, I think this man is doing the wrong thing in this day and age.

On the other hand, I think we are being WAY too easy on them in the political sense. Many of these areas where we are strategically trying to take out one sniper in Iraq because of our "humanity" we should replace that strategy by blowing a mile wide hole in the earth. Because behind every sniper is an 8 year old brother who will come back in a plane and take out thousands of our citizens in retribution for his scumbag cowardly murderous sniping brother.

This is one instance where our government would be wise to take the lesson of history to heart and wipe out the entire culture at once to keep our citizens safe.

But, that's the job of the government, not the Church.

There's my opinion. Take it or leave it.
 
I keep seeing people post about how they hate and what would Jesus do, but then in the same breath utter the word redneck as if it any different than the N word?

Are y'all using the term redneck in a bridge building way towards good relationships with the people of the south or what? If I am confused about this please someone shed some light.

How about this? Everytime we feel at odds with anyone lets just pick up on what stands out the most and use the slur for it.
 
Looks like the Pastor had second thoughts about Burning Qurans ?

Florida Pastor Cancels Koran Burning, Seeks Relocation of Ground-Zero Mosque


Thursday, 09 Sep 2010 05:34 PM
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After meeting with a Florida imam, Gainesville Pastor Terry Jones agreed to cancel plans to burn the Koran on Saturday, and instead announced plans to fly to New York City, where he wants to protest against the Islamic center being built near ground zero.

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Jones and Imam Muhammad Musri announced that the Koran-burning protest had been canceled shortly after 5 p.m.

"If they were willing to either cancel the mosque at the ground zero location, or if they were willing to move that location, if they were willing to move it away from that location, we would consider that a sign from God," Jones said.

Jones said Imam Musri had been in contact with Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf.

But Rauf, the controversial imam at the center of the ground zero mosque controversy, quickly denied he had reached any deal to cancel the planned Islamic center or had even discussed it with Musri.

"I am glad that Pastor Jones has decided not to burn any Korans," Rauf said in a statement to CNN. "However, I have not spoken to Pastor Jones or Imam Musri. I am surprised by their announcement. We are not going to toy with our religion or any other, nor are we going to barter. We are here to extend our hands to build peace and harmony."

Jones appeared to indicate that Rauf had agreed to move the ground zero mosque location. However, Musri did not speak to the imam, but spoke instead to the imam's staff, who agreed to meet with Jones and Imam Musri on Saturday.

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The network also reports that Rauf's staff said merely that the imam "was open" to selecting a new location, not that he promised to do so.

Nevertheless, Jones declared: "He has agreed to move the location. That cannot of course happen overnight. We felt that that would be a sign that God would want us to do it.

"The American people do not want the mosque there," he said, "and of course Moslems do not want us to burn the Koran. The Imam has agreed to move the mosque."

Jones also said he received a telephone call from Defense Secretary Robert Gates asking him not to proceed with the Koran-burning protest which had inflamed Islamic tensions throughout the world.

Interpol and the State Departments had issued alerts warning Americans that a backlash of violence abroad could result.

Imam Musri appeared to side with Jones on the question of the location of the ground zero mosque, saying it is unnecessary to place it that close to the site of the tragic terrorist attack of 9/11. He called on Muslims throughout the world to remain peaceful exemplars of the Muslim faith.

President Obama warned Thursday burning the Koran would be a "recruitment bonanza" for al-Qaida.

A few hours before the announcement of the burning cancellation, Obama told ABC that he hoped Jones "understands that what he's proposing to do is completely contrary to our values. I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women in uniform who are in Iraq, who are in Afghanistan."

The proposed event triggered flag-burning demonstrations abroad and sharp debates domestically over whether the same political correctness now flowing from the highest levels of the Obama administration also should apply to proposals to build a mosque two blocks from ground zero in New York City.

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin commented: "People have a constitutional right to burn a Koran if they want to, but doing so is insensitive and an unnecessary provocation — much like building a mosque at ground zero. It will feed the fire of caustic rhetoric and appear as nothing more than mean-spirited religious intolerance. Don't feed that fire."

The State Department had advised U.S. embassies around the world to reassess their security measures.

The Rev. Franklin Graham, son of famed evangelist Dr. Billy Graham, had sent a personal letter to Jones, urging him not to burn the book that Muslims consider holy.

Graham, who professes love for Muslim people but has been outspoken in his view that Islam does not lead to salvation, said, “It's never right to deface or destroy sacred texts or writings of other religions even if you don't agree with them."

Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the Catholic archbishop emeritus of Washington, D.C., went even further Wednesday during a news conference at the National Press Club sponsored by the Islamic Society of North America.

If “someone sees the Gospel as the truth of God’s presence in our world, that person should embrace the Gospel," McCarrick told CNSNews.com. "If a person sees the Koran as proof of God’s presence in the world, then I cannot say, ‘Don’t embrace the Koran.’”

Jones, whose church has just 50 members, ignited international protests with his plan to burn Korans to protest Shariah and acts of violence he contends are linked to the Islamic faith. Demonstrations included the following


  • Thousands of Afghans burned the U.S. flag and chanted "death to the Christians" on Thursday.
  • About 200 Pakistanis marched in Multan and burned a U.S. flag at the rally.
  • A Muslim cleric in Afghanistan said Muslims would have a religious duty to react if the Koran were burned, heightening fears that Americans could be attacked.
  • Gen. David Petraeus, who met with Afghan President Hamid Karzai Wednesday to discuss the controversy, said in an e-mail to The Associated Press that extremists would use images of the Koran in flames "to inflame public opinion and incite violence."
  • Declaring "shame on you," evangelical Richard Cizik lectured Christians who openly reject Muslims because of their religious faith. "As an evangelical, I say, to those who do this, I say, 'you bring dishonor to the name of Jesus Christ. You directly disobey his commandment to love our neighbor," Cizik said at the National Press Club event.
  • The nations of Pakistan and Bahrain issued official denunciations of the planned burning of the Koran.
  • The president of Indonesia sent a letter to Obama, asking that the book-burning be halted.
Several U.S. leaders and organizations, including New York City Mayor Mike Bloomberg, have condemned the Koran burning while at the same time defending the church's First Amendment right to express its views.

"We defend his right to the speech," said Brandon Hensler, a spokesman for the Florida ACLU, "and we absolutely, simultaneously condemn the things that he's saying, because they're not tolerant of different religious viewpoints. The reverend himself has admittedly not read the Koran, and he's simply using this as a jumping stone to get on the world stage, which he's clearly achieved."

The debates over the appropriate exercise of First Amendment rights in the case of the mosque and the burning of the Koran is triggering a broader discussion of the uneasy relationship between Islam and Christianity in America.

The Koran-burning protest comes in the context of the controversial decision to build a Muslim community center and mosque a few blocks away from ground zero in New York.

The imam behind the Park51 facility, formerly known as the Cordoba initiative, warned that relocating the facility could also spark Muslim violence against Americans.

"The headlines in the Muslim world will be that Islam is under attack," said Imam Feisel Abdul Rauf in an exclusive CNN interview, adding that, "if you don't do this right, anger will explode in the Muslim world."

Rauf also suggested that, if he had it all to do over again, he would have selected a different location.

"If I knew this would happen, if it would cause this kind of pain, I wouldn't have done it," he said.

The recent controversies over the coexistence of Islam and Christianity appear to be creating cultural ripples nationwide.

Muslim, Christian, and Jewish groups are planning rallies to celebrate unity and tolerance on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks Saturday. It is not known if any of those observances will be held in Hartford, Conn., however, where the town council is embroiled in controversy after city leaders announced they would allow imams, as well as rabbis and Christian pastors, to provide the invocation before council meetings.

"If they check their history, we're a Christian nation," Pat McEwen of the evangelical group Operation Save America told Fox News. "For years, prayers just referred to God. I think breaking with that tradition is a bad idea."
 
Ground zero will be mosque city U.S.A. because truthfully Americans are not the same ones during WW2 that used to stand up to what was wrong. Todays Americans are in it to just get along. Thing is we will all have to move along to get along and we deserve whatever position the Muslims throw our way if we allow these things to happen...
 
I havent read all the responses here, im just too tired.

I know that Hitler and the likes burned books before the genocides started. Im glad he called it off regardless of my personal feelings towards Islam.
 
AlwaysAqua said:
Ground zero will be mosque city U.S.A. because truthfully Americans are not the same ones during WW2 that used to stand up to what was wrong. Todays Americans are in it to just get along. Thing is we will all have to move along to get along and we deserve whatever position the Muslims throw our way if we allow these things to happen...
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Unfortunately, there are 15 times as many Muslims as Germans and Japs combined. We can't Nuke them all, since they are spread out all over, unlike Germany and Japan. What would you have us do ? I am not in support of a Mosque at Ground Zero. I think it sends the message 'Bomb us, and we will kiss your azz".
Though I am not anti religion, religion IS the problem here. Both sides THINK they are right, and "serving God"
That was what the Crusades were all about. Imagine for a minute how the Muslims felt, as "Radical Christians" declared war on them, In the name of Christ ?
 
The fact is our government has declared that anyone can burn our flag as "free speech" and as a consequence anyone can burn a Quran. Now that the precedent has been set (not that I agree with it) it is the responsibility to guard any citizen's right to FREE SPEECH.

Once the Quran is burned and the free speech has been exercised it is the responsibility of our government to react forcefully to any attacks on our citizens here or abroad.

How's the "right to burn our flag" looking to you right now left wingers?

And, somehow killing Christians, burning Bibles, breaking crosses and other atrocities never seem to be important enough to make the evening news. We live in a sick country.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9
 
Tony Shelton said:
The fact is our government has declared that anyone can burn our flag as "free speech" and as a consequence anyone can burn a Quran. Now that the precedent has been set (not that I agree with it) it is the responsibility to guard any citizen's right to FREE SPEECH.

Once the Quran is burned and the free speech has been exercised it is the responsibility of our government to react forcefully to any attacks on our citizens here or abroad.

How's the "right to burn our flag" looking to you right now left wingers?

And, somehow killing Christians, burning Bibles, breaking crosses and other atrocities never seem to be important enough to make the evening news. We live in a sick country.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/285123/christians_in_gaza_fear_for_their_lives.html?cat=9
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Man you whine to much about everything. How's your blood pressure?

I love our country. Our leaders could be a lot better, every single one of them from now to all past ones
But I love this country, I'm glad he isnt burning it, I wouldn't want to see one soldier hurt because of something that illiterate fool did and I am not a big fan of the muslims at all, there's way to many wackos in whole

God Bless America, we need it
 
Oh ya and I think they should make it a law you can't burn the flag, just like you can't burn other national symbols like the White House, The Capital, I also think they should make a law about burning religious books any of them.

But then someone would complain we make to many laws>>>>>>>Tony LOL

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Alright. After some more thought I'm starting to hope that the Quran gets burned all over this entire country. I hope it makes a bunch of lunatics come out of the woodwork and we can take target practice on them.

WHY, WHEN YOU LOOK FOR QURAN BURNING ON THE INTERNET DO YOU GET THIS (or flat out deletion) TIME AND TIME AGAIN?:



But if you do a search for BURNING BIBLES you get tons and tons of these:



FREE SPEECH FOR EVERYONE EXCEPT YOU STUPID CHRISTIANS! RIGHT??????????????

This country is done for.
 
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