Board and Environmental Committee to vote on proposed BMPs

It is a shame that not that many contractors are concerned with what is really going on in Houston and HOW IT WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER CITIES OUT THERE, PROBABLY YOURS TOO.

Not too many contractors are voicing their concerns, I understand that many might not know what to do or say but sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in or in this case your livelihood.

Have you ever experienced the calm before the storm?????????? I think that this is the calm even though what the guys in Houston are going through really sucks.
 
I dont think people understand the concerns, so many of us for years have been expecting this. Now its here, its affecting everyone.

What I think is funny is that contractors that do residential think its not there fight. They are stopping everyone in houston.

I want to say this, Mike Hilborn is doing a good job at ED.

This post was a shocker to most and some just dont think its there concern.

Christopher said:
It is a shame that not that many contractors are concerned with what is really going on in Houston and HOW IT WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER CITIES OUT THERE, PROBABLY YOURS TOO.

Not too many contractors are voicing their concerns, I understand that many might not know what to do or say but sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in or in this case your livelihood.

Have you ever experienced the calm before the storm?????????? I think that this is the calm even though what the guys in Houston are going through really sucks.
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Christopher said:
It is a shame that not that many contractors are concerned with what is really going on in Houston and HOW IT WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER CITIES OUT THERE, PROBABLY YOURS TOO.

Not too many contractors are voicing their concerns, I understand that many might not know what to do or say but sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in or in this case your livelihood.

Have you ever experienced the calm before the storm?????????? I think that this is the calm even though what the guys in Houston are going through really sucks.
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I am concerned, that is why I am voicing my ilk over the PWNA and the stuff they are trying to push thru in the still of the night. When you have people on board who stand to gain money from the expansion of BMP's and are trying to "represent" the industry, it does not bode well for the contractor.
 
Christopher said:
It is a shame that not that many contractors are concerned with what is really going on in Houston and HOW IT WILL MOVE ON TO OTHER CITIES OUT THERE, PROBABLY YOURS TOO.

Not too many contractors are voicing their concerns, I understand that many might not know what to do or say but sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe in or in this case your livelihood.

Have you ever experienced the calm before the storm?????????? I think that this is the calm even though what the guys in Houston are going through really sucks.
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Chris, I think there ARE many more concernded than we realize. There were contractors on the conference call that have never posted comments in these threads, and likewise, there are many I see that do comment that were unable to make it due to other circumstances. I also talk to people on a daily basis that call me with questions and concerns, both from Houston and other states, as well as from other areas in Texas.
 
I find it very odd that the PWNA has not posted once in this thread to explain their side of what they are doing, meanwhile they are very willing to post about their wood and house cleaning courses and certification. Perhaps they are communicating to members, I don't know, but as a non member looking in from the outside, this would be a great opportunity to INCREASE membership if they would actually communicate a little about their intentions of passing this BMP, and get involved in something that is actually damagin to Contractors across the U.S.

I also find it very odd that the PWNA had representaion at the recent City of Houston Environmental seminar, video recorded the sessions in full, yet have not released the video.
 
Doug Rucker said:
I find it very odd that the PWNA has not posted once in this thread to explain their side of what they are doing, meanwhile they are very willing to post about their wood and house cleaning courses and certification. Perhaps they are communicating to members, I don't know, but as a non member looking in from the outside, this would be a great opportunity to INCREASE membership if they would actually communicate a little about their intentions of passing this BMP, and get involved in something that is actually damagin to Contractors across the U.S.

I also find it very odd that the PWNA had representaion at the recent City of Houston Environmental seminar, video recorded the sessions in full, yet have not released the video.
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They responded on their Facebook page.......here it is:

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Took a few hours for them to do it.......and also try to recruit committee & Board Members. Exactly how many of them are working on this? Who is left?
 
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Power Washers of North America


Power Washers of North America First the Environmental Committee meets and writes the BMPs. Then it goes to the Board of Directors for approval. Then it goes to the members of the PWNA for public comment. Comments will go back to the Environmental Committee where changes and corrections will be made. Then it goes to the PWNA Board of Directors for final approval. Any PWNA member interested in being on the Environmental Committee should contact Jackie at Headquarters for consideration. In addition to wanting PWNA members to join a PWNA Committee, we also would like people to submit their names to being on the Board of Directors. Again, please contact Jackie if you are interested. Thank you.
 
While I have a Ton to say about this subject, I will not, but I will say this.... This Is Not About Orgs. Whether they have 100 Members or 300 Members, it is about the Contractor, Every Contractor, and Only The Contractor....Period.

Ron's idea (the other night) of a "Coalition" of Contractors from every corner of the U.S. joined to fight this, would "Represent" the best interest of the CONTRACTOR. Working Together, all of us, Contractors, & Orgs. to ask for and fight for "Common Sense" BMP's is the only true way to handle this.

This isn't a time for "Look At What We Did As An Org." but "Look At What We Did As Contractors United Together"
 
Guy Blackmon said:
While I have a Ton to say about this subject, I will not, but I will say this.... This Is Not About Orgs. Whether they have 100 Members or 300 Members, it is about the Contractor, Every Contractor, and Only The Contractor....Period.

Ron's idea (the other night) of a "Coalition" of Contractors from every corner of the U.S. joined to fight this, would "Represent" the best interest of the CONTRACTOR. Working Together, all of us, Contractors, & Orgs. to ask for and fight for "Common Sense" BMP's is the only true way to handle this.

This isn't a time for "Look At What We Did As An Org." but "Look At What We Did As Contractors United Together"
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HEY there is our name for the coalition. Let's "CUT" unneccessary city involvement.
 
We will Form a "Coalition" of Contractors " this is bigger than one organization.



The BMP issue here truly has nothing to do with this coalition.



Please lets not forget this is a PWNA business thread.



I got off the phone with Mike Hilborn, the PWNA is moving forward on there BMP. The reasons given is the need for them do to the Houston Problem.



How ever the Houston problem was not on there radar until last week.



All we can hope for is they either decide to stand with there own members or not?



Talking about how they represent will have to be seen.



The negativety has damage relations between the org and myself. Even though I have shown concerns for contractors, I will continue to embrace them how ever I can.



They seem to take all of the comments above as me!!



My opinions are my own and I do not accept everyones on this BBS. People seem to not get that, I was asked to give and apology today for your comments.



I'm only sorry for this industry, I will however not quit or give up on the PWNA as its part of the industry.



I will disagree as I see fit, I will not roll over and play dead when ask too.



If the PWNA wants to work proffessionally they will start informing there members.



Mike Hilborn has worked Hard at doing what he thinks is right. Its a thankless job and he might need to understand that at the end of the day he works for all of us. I'm not ungratefull for his efforts over one disagreement of oversite. Just wanted to see mistakes are being made we fix them.



Successful people know they have made mistakes, I made a mistake last night. I cancelled plans to head straight on a vactaion to attend the Delux meeting for the concerns of the industry.



Please undertand I'm not mother theresa , I'm concerned about Houston as I want to sell my business when I do retire.



Contractors that have worked a lifetime in Houston now have worthless business. I have recently talked to other successful contractors that have lost hundreds of thousands in the last year more do to the direct connection to the BMP issue rather than the economy. They know this because the money is still in customers budgets, customers are affraid of the fines because they cannot get a clear answer from the enforcement.



Its funny, people attack the bad things about this BBS.



Lets count the good ones.



We got contractors working again in GA



Contractors Here rallied and learn how to keep us working during Droughts. (In so many locations its not even possible to count)

We help Veterans in need. ( we sponsor cleaning for heroes)

Multiple publications have started off these forums.

Organizations have started off these forums.

Roundtables have grown stronger than they have ever been.

Contractors have multiple sources to find the right solutions to help there business.
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Ron, that's BS. The PWNA treated you like a stepchild in Charleston when they patted themselves on the back for all the strides they had made in getting new members that year without nary a word about your involvement in that. Wasn't Mike Hilborn the one who made that presentation?

I already told Ron all this. His response was to keep on supporting the PWNA both publicly and privately.

My response was to give them time to see if they could recognize the need for an org that represents the contractors to the fullest extent.

Their response was to have more roundtables and less communication. They mistakenly believed that it was the roundtables that brought in the quick jump in new members as opposed to the networking these boards and Ron encourages.

As much as I respect Robert Hinderliter (and Michael) I believe their approach to the CWA is faulty. Robert has been working for years trying to reach his hand across the aisle and make a solution that benefits everybody. And by everybody I mean governments, contractors AND sellers of equipment. That is the kind of politics that has put our country at a standstill since the 70's.

Our interest is not the same as the interest of the equipment manufacturer or vendor. As a matter of fact, our interests are sometimes in direct opposition of theirs.

That's the problem. As such there will never be a solution to this problem as long as we are still trying to fix it the old way. If it were the solution it would have already been implemented in Houston which is only 4 hrs away from Dallas in Delux's back yard.

Again, the reason we will lose is because admitting that we are a pollution source is the first nail in our coffin. It's the wrong way to attack the problem.

We need contractor representation that has blinders to all other interests.

Ron is in total disagreement with me on this I'm pretty sure. And - if I'm reading his post right, he cancelled a trip to come up here and play some golf all weekend to go and try to work towards making the old broken system work in Dallas.

Ron has nothing to do with my posts. You guys would do well to determine who your allies are and stop alienating people like Ron who are still willing to make it work.

You can put William and me on your poop list though. I think we've earned our place there.
 
I am convinced the coalition of contractors will grow and become a stronger voice in the industry. Every contractor I have spoken with for the past few days has expressed concern about what is happening, they want to help and make sure they have a voice. I have referred them to PWI to continue to get information and have told them to check in from time to time so they can be updated on the process.

I believe the PWNA shares our concerns but may or may not have a full understanding of what is happening. I think as this continues to develop they will work in that direction that will benefit all the contractors. For those that are members contact them and let them know where you stand, if you don't say somthing they don't know how you feel...(except Tony and William we all know how they feel:sarcastic:)
 
Paul its been needed for a long time, will start it. 63 guys say start it. I guess when we have two hundreds will officially get it going.

Paul Kassander said:
I am convinced the coalition of contractors will grow and become a stronger voice in the industry. Every contractor I have spoken with for the past few days has expressed concern about what is happening, they want to help and make sure they have a voice. I have referred them to PWI to continue to get information and have told them to check in from time to time so they can be updated on the process.

I believe the PWNA shares our concerns but may or may not have a full understanding of what is happening. I think as this continues to develop they will work in that direction that will benefit all the contractors. For those that are members contact them and let them know where you stand, if you don't say somthing they don't know how you feel...(except Tony and William we all know how they feel:sarcastic:)
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Ron I'm fairly new to this biz but I have been self empolyed or worked with family all of my life and I am pretty out spoken ,and I am a non member of the PWNA and was thinking about it but I am thinking a lot less about. There have been several people who have helped me out in my new PW biz and I have done alot of reading and watching on several BBS ,and when have learned more I will have more input.But what I'm reading I do not like,unless they are telling their paid members more I dont know.

So that being said you can make me #64 thanks.

Aaron
 
This is a great idea
Guy Blackmon said:
While I have a Ton to say about this subject, I will not, but I will say this.... This Is Not About Orgs. Whether they have 100 Members or 300 Members, it is about the Contractor, Every Contractor, and Only The Contractor....Period.

Ron's idea (the other night) of a "Coalition" of Contractors from every corner of the U.S. joined to fight this, would "Represent" the best interest of the CONTRACTOR. Working Together, all of us, Contractors, & Orgs. to ask for and fight for "Common Sense" BMP's is the only true way to handle this.

This isn't a time for "Look At What We Did As An Org." but "Look At What We Did As Contractors United Together"
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We are well over a 100 at this point, will compile a list of the contractors in the next week.

Its really great to see old and new helping the industry move forward.

We have been long over do on having something like this, we need awareness and education on this subject alone.




Benchmark said:
Ron I'm fairly new to this biz but I have been self empolyed or worked with family all of my life and I am pretty out spoken ,and I am a non member of the PWNA and was thinking about it but I am thinking a lot less about. There have been several people who have helped me out in my new PW biz and I have done alot of reading and watching on several BBS ,and when have learned more I will have more input.But what I'm reading I do not like,unless they are telling their paid members more I dont know.

So that being said you can make me #64 thanks.

Aaron
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