Amerika the Beautiful

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
Man gets his azz beat for experiencing diabetic shock.

Sues the city. We all pay.

Even if this guy was drunk off his ass what possible reason is there to approach him like this while he is stopped?

Nevermind, don't answer that. To the people who would answer it we are all just "perps" anyway.

 
That is truly a shame. I wonder if what caused the cops to notice him was that he was parked in the middle.of the street with his flashers on? If so, why was it necessary for them to do an armed take down?
 
Because armed takedowns are really bad azz! And why waste all that ammo practicing at the range if you aren't going to take out a BG?

The system needs to be purged.

Here's more of the story:

A driver in diabetic shock was kicked in the head several times in a shocking display of police brutality that won him $158,000 in a lawsuit.Adam Greene, of Las Vegas, was pulled over at about 4am on October 29, 2010 after a Nevada State Trooper spotted him weaving in traffic.Mr Greene claimed he was driving that way because he had fallen into diabetic shock.
[h=3]Henderson police officer seen brutally kicking man suffering from diabetic shock[/h]Later, one of the police officers discovers the dash cam on the highway patrol cruiser, and is heard mentioning it to a colleague.
‘It’s on camera,’ he says.The other replies: ‘They don’t know you. I wouldn’t worry about it.’
Authorities said they will not release the names of the officers involved in the incident.
The Las Vegas Sun reported that the settlement of $158,000 was OK’d by the Henderson City Council last night, and an additional $30,000 amount will be paid by the state of Nevada.

In a totally unrelated story, Shelly took Fayth on a field trip with the other home school kids to the highway patrol department last week. She said she was taller than the tallest one there by at least two inches.

I'm guessing that's totally unrelated though.
 
They are criminals with a badge !!! This s&%t goes on around the country, just a bunch of thugs.
 
This is how they should be delt with !!


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To protect and to serve.

Here they are all pissy because of budget cuts and resort to letting a man die to make their point.

The firefighters are no better.

We vote the people into office that produce this kind of society.


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This is how they should be delt with !!


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This is how our forefathers dealt with it.

We can't do that now because we might miss an episode of American Idol if we get arrested.

Our forefathers probably wish they could have lived their lives in peace instead of wasting their lives for a bunch of cowards like we are today.
 
By the way, I have very little against decent honest police officers that respect our rights as American citizens and human beings.

The only thing I have against them is the fact that they are too cowardly to put down the scum within their ranks like the diseased animals they are. The (few) good ones just stand around and watch it happen.
 
I have never met one that wasn't a Douche Bag !! I watched a group of these thugs practice on a poor homeless man one night when I was out working around 3am. My guy's were cleaning and I always look out for them in the crappy areas. I happen to catch the whole thing from across the street, they simply got out of the cop car and woke this homeless guy up and proceeded to beat him then Taz him, all for nothing.

They only stopped when they saw me watching them from across the street, I have 0 respect for them !! I am sure there are a few good ones out there but I have yet to meet them.
 
By the way, I have very little against decent honest police officers that respect our rights as American citizens and human beings.

The only thing I have against them is the fact that they are too cowardly to put down the scum within their ranks like the diseased animals they are. The (few) good ones just stand around and watch it happen.
So the decent honest police officers are cowards then... So that makes them all bad according to what your saying Tony.

Hey I would be on board to tell all cops to take a week off all thru out this country and watch how fast the real scum surfaces.. Nah forget that. Strike that. I wouldn't want my parents, friends and of course family have no recourse when something goes wrong. I wouldn't want someone who is bleeding out on an auto accident have no cops show up to help them, I wouldn't want someone such as a single mother have no defense when her ex deranged husband decides he's going to hunt her down like an animal, I wouldn't want a gang such as the MS-13 kidnap a kid who's family has no chance to get there kid back because there are no cops... I wouldn't want to live in a "lawless" society like some of these other countries are where if a girl says something and gets beat down for it when a male counterpart can say the same thing with no worry about recourse.

Tony you are Mr. Chips...meaning that you have some large chip on your shoulder.... Hopefully you never have to call the cops because of something concerning life or death because if you did I'd bet you would appreciate what Cops do.. And the majority of them would put there lives in danger to help a guy out like yourself..
 
John, my friend, You can find hundreds of these videos where the police are screaming, yelling, yanking, and beating suspects while holding them at gunpoint.

IF ONLY ONE OF THOSE dashcams caught a DECENT officer with a conscience pulling his gun on one of those scumbag abusers and handcuffing his ass for battery I'd say there's hope.


How many times did you pull your piece out on another officer who was wrongly beating someone??

How many times did you pull your piece out on a citizen wrongly (or justifiably) beating someone?

I rest my case.
 
I never had to pull my piece out on another officer who was wrongly beating someone. I did see a couple of officers in my 2yrs in the city go a little to far with people where I refused to work with them as did others. One of them finally ran into a problem where they called a 10-13 which is the biggest call in the city and no one showed up.. We had ways to deal with bad cops and one of them never consisted of pointing a loaded gun at them to make a point. That's just crazy..

I can also tell you I was assaulted 3 times as a cop. 2 were from brawls and one was from a 15 yr old female who snapped because her father wouldn't come to pick her up. The first 2 brawls I had minor injuries but never reported them. The female was a bad one. She got lose from the cuffs another female officer put on her and she came out swinging where she punched the ambulance driver in the face, kicked and snapped sideways my knee where I went down and she threw the female cop into the wall... All in a matter of seconds because we didn't know the female officer loosen her cuffs.

That's the knee a few years later I popped at the parking garage last summer. It hurt for years on and off from her kick but after we strapped her into the ambulance and her somewhat normal life was coming to an end I was able to rationalize with her after the other two injured people agreed to give her a break. Her father wouldn't help her which caused her to flip out at a home for wayward girls.. So I was able to get thru to her that the assaults she just did on us is a game changer on her sad life as she was about to be transported to the psych ward. Thru her tears she was so sorry.. So she caught a break and I told her to take this break and learn from it..and to also consider herself lucky that she has a chance in life again with no criminal record to go along with her depression at that time.. So the assaults never were reported.

Why you say the good cops are still cowards and you rest your case.. Your mind is closed and I'm sorry for you Tony that you think that every cop is either bad or a coward.. And your basing your belief on some videos that come out every now and then. There are probably over a million cops in this country and those bad cops in those video's do not represent the rest of us.. So rest your case. That means your mind is closed and that's to bad. Try telling your views to the families of the cops who died during 9-11, or to the family of P.O. Eddie Burns who was assassinated guarding a key witness to a drug lord in NY who was selling crack cocaine to anyone including kids and was just about unstoppable so Eddie took his assignment like a 20something proud man would and is killed for it in cold blood.

So rest your case.. That says you want to make a point without listening to the good guys out there because your mind is made up.
 
John, why did those officers all participate in the senseless beating of the man at the beginning of this thread and break two of his ribs? Why did Rambo have to come at his door with hit gun drawn screaming like a 5th grader?

You were assaulted three times in all these years? To hear the poice union complain you'd think they all get assaulted three times each day! That's how they justify all that bulletproof crap they wear and justify buying AR-15's to terrify the public with.

I bet if you think really hard you can come up with dozens or even hundreds of times over the years where you witnessed officers doing things that would land a regular joe in jail.
 
Those videos are of bad cops. I didn't view them but I'll take your word on it since people love to show video's of bad cops.. I never saw a cop do something that was so above and beyond reckless such as capping off some rounds that ended up killing someone.

Whatever guns your town or city is buying for there cops... There no match for the illegal gun/cannons out there.
Face it Tony you just don't care for cops, fireman, Gov't, and most other type establishments. Your Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols.. anarchy... Down with the Queen.. Your a punk rocker at heart.. Problem now is your the man.Hahahahahahaha. You are a business man.... That makes you the man...lol. You probably hated the "Man" back when you were a rebellious teenager.. And I bet you still can't stand the "Man".. But your it now brother.. your the man "Mr. chips" orgs suck, PWNA sucks, UAMCC sucks, UAMCC doesn't suck,, we all suck..lol. Please don't say this country sucks.... Ohhhhh noooooo Tony..don't do it!!!!!!!! Toonnnnnnyyyyy. Ok what will you say next.. Who sucks?? Nurses?? Who else is on your radar?? Why do I have a feeling your going to say something negative...lol
 
I was witness once to someone that was affected by one of these diabetic shock episodes and there is no way to tell. Some of us were standing out behind the shop before work and this buy comes around the corner and took out one work truck and spun a jeep cherokee 90 degrees, smashed a dumpster into the wall along with the vehicle he was driving. He then just sat there and kept shifting from reverse to drive and revving the engine.

The cops did pull their guns and the guy in the vehicle would not follow any of their commands and they actually pulled him from the car. That is when they found out about the diabetes and called an ambulance. He just looked like someone that was trying to get away from the scene.

Like I said there was no way to tell and they are in such a fog that they do not follow directions. This guy was not going anywhere because he broke one of the front wheels and dumped all his transmission fluid.

Now that is not an excuse for the officers but there are situations where you do not get all of the story. If you have never witnessed someone go through one of these episodes then it is hard to describe. Just like the time I took a family member to the airport and when I was coming back down the terminal a girl was having a grand mall siezure. I yelled for someone to call 911 and no one moved along with her mother. I ran to the giftshop and almost had to drag the clerk over the counter by the throat to get the phone. (before I could afford a cell phone when they were still bricks) It is not just officers that sit around and watch people die. There were probably 200 people sitting around there.

Now for these officers, I believe that at a minimum, they should be looking for a new job.

As for these videos, it is just like the news about what gets posted/reported, someone has to bleed.
 
Here is the deal. I am all for officers using force, when necessary. I did not play the video with sound, because it muddies what is going on for me. From what I could see, it looked like someone that was not combative at all, that the officers drug out of the car, and then he had five officers on top of him handcuffing him. I never saw the guy throw a punch, or put up any kind of resistance. I am still trying to figure out why the one coward was kicking the guy in the head, after he was down, and thoroughly subdued. It just defies logic and common sense.

John, nothing personal, but most of us live in an area where law abiding citizens are allowed to have a gun, vs. New York, where only criminals own a gun. In my opinion, it is my responsibility to protect my family, and I will. If I had to rely on the Police department to come out when I felt threatened, to protect me, then I would be dead. It takes a minimum of 3 minutes to respond to a call for aid. There are a lot of things that can happen in those three minutes that could make it so that minutes matter no more. I refuse to put myself in that position.
The other cases that you through out on why we should have PD are red herrings. They are distracting from the original discussion. Cops do not typically stop crimes in action. They usually resolve crimes after they have occurred.
 
Those videos are of bad cops. I didn't view them but I'll take your word on it since people love to show video's of bad cops.. I never saw a cop do something that was so above and beyond reckless such as capping off some rounds that ended up killing someone.

Whatever guns your town or city is buying for there cops... There no match for the illegal gun/cannons out there.
Face it Tony you just don't care for cops, fireman, Gov't, and most other type establishments. Your Johnny Rotten from the Sex Pistols.. anarchy... Down with the Queen.. Your a punk rocker at heart.. Problem now is your the man.Hahahahahahaha. You are a business man.... That makes you the man...lol. You probably hated the "Man" back when you were a rebellious teenager.. And I bet you still can't stand the "Man".. But your it now brother.. your the man "Mr. chips" orgs suck, PWNA sucks, UAMCC sucks, UAMCC doesn't suck,, we all suck..lol. Please don't say this country sucks.... Ohhhhh noooooo Tony..don't do it!!!!!!!! Toonnnnnnyyyyy. Ok what will you say next.. Who sucks?? Nurses?? Who else is on your radar?? Why do I have a feeling your going to say something negative...lol


John, why is it ok for a cop to approach citizens with a gun drawn on them when they have shown no signs of deliberate violent behavior? If anyone else did that they would be in jail for brandishing a weapon.

Why is it ok to terrorize, yell and swear at citizens? If any of us did that we would probably be locked up for psychiatric observation. No one in civil society behaves like that.

Somehow our police forces made it through the 20th century with fully automatic machine guns going against them for a portion of that century and they kept law and order without resorting to this kind of treatment of citizens.

Further, John, I don't have any problem with authority. The authority in this country is the US Constitution and our state constitutions. I will follow them like the Bible and gladly submit to the rules and regulations prescribed by and allowed by those ruling documents. I won't, however, submit to the perverted interpretations of those documents that have brought us to the state of chaos and abuse.

Firefighters are not "authority". They are truly public servants. BUT even THEY have been tainted by the perversions of the law and greed. About half of our firefighters made more money on overtime by working the system and working in cahoots with each other to make sure they took time of during their normal work time so they could get paid almost all overtime. On our dime. One supervisor made more than 700K and many of the firefighters made in the mid $200k range. It was a big deal here in Las Vegas and probably cost them lots of funding for the next few years. Yet their UNION defended them all the way and tried to justify everything they did.

I don't hate authority John, I hate corruption. And yes, I hated it in the PWNA and the UAMCC. I hate it in the ranks of the police, firefighters, city council, congress, oval office and within our own industry. I will "go negative" anytime it is encountered. Because I can, and because I think it's the right thing to do.

On a personal note my dad was a notoriously slow driver. On two occasions I was in the car with him driving home listening to a ballgame at about 5-10 mph on the road, gently swerving from side to side at those speeds when a police officer pulled him over. (In the 70's) Not once did either of the cops raise their voice. Not once did they pull their weapons. Both times they came up to the window and tapped on it and asked my dad if he was ok.

Why isn't that the first reaction a police officer has even with a drunk driver. I've done ride alongs with deputies from my uncle's department where they have pulled over and followed a guy home because he was a little "tipsy". While drunk driving isn't right, there is still a human component in any office of authority and that component needs to be used. I think that the training and peer pressure sucks out whatever human component is left in some of these cops, but for the majority of them they are on the force because they HAVE NO HUMAN COMPONENT and can't identify with anyone who does.

On another personal level, my uncle (a sheriff for 28 years - not a deputy, but THE sheriff) went after an escaped convict with one of his deputies. They found him at his mother's house. The instructions were to take him without hurting him because that would devastate his poor mother.

In the process my uncle was shot. From cover he talked the man down while bleeding and got him to give up his weapon. Even though what he did was completely wrong they cuffed him standing up like a human being and carted him back to prison. The guy was a scumbag, but he was a human being. He had shot an officer, but by the time he was subdued he was non combative and was treated in a humane way.

This all took time. From what I understand it took almost 30 minutes to get him to give up his weapon after my uncle was shot.

Contrast that with those grandstanding punks on "to catch a predator". A piece of crap (though entrapped) potential pedophile is leaving the house and they have to make it a point to put them down on the ground like a dog to arrest them. Usually with 5-10 officers surrounding them with guns drawn. There is no reason for this. Even in the cases of these POS pedophiles. If our founding fathers had envisioned this type of behavior they would have probably put a bullet in their own heads to keep from fathering great great grandchildren who would contribute to this type of society.

Yet it is defended day after day by the police unions and the backwoods republicans who still believe the police are there to "save" them in an emergency.

You blew your chance John. You know what I'm talking about. You've got those nagging instances in the back of your head where you could have made a difference but you chose to remain silent. There is no better time than the present to make up for that. Join in a fight to educate police officers in a more humane way to interact.

Open your eyes and realize that this type of interaction with the public, whether guilty of a crime or not, is intolerable. Most deadly encounters can be diffused in a matter of minutes with a small amount of human understanding. Yelling "commands", screaming, swearing and beating people are not conducive to a peaceful ending to a confrontation. The police are taught to "escalate" a situation rather than reduce the tension. This has to change.

But it won't change as long as the ignorant people who have never experienced it defend the status quo. This is the same thing that happened in Mass. at the beginning of the American Revolution. The majority sat back quietly defending the redcoats because they represented "order". That didn't change until the redcoats marched in and disarmed them and confiscated their ammo and bullied and attacked the general population. Even though the Redcoats represented the "authority", in the end many of them lay dead in the fields and a new authority took its rightful place. Is is possible for this to be resolved peacefully or are the police going to be allowed to continue to abuse citizens till they revolt and the police suffer the same fate as the redcoats?
 
F&ckin Ditto, I have nothing to add but well said my friend !!
 
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