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New Cleaning Manual -- Photos Needed

the NPFA 96 code use to say, the entire system should be cleaned to bare metal, now it states that they should be cleaned to .002 inches?
how big is .002 any way? i mean in relative terms? Is it what half the width or a piece of paper? Or a quarter thickness of a hair?
Whats the proper way to check & insure you have cleaned a system to .002? Because .002 aint much i mean could you really even see it, you would think most grease at this thickness would be transparent. If so then would it be bare metal? knowing you can't see it but still tier. How would the invoice read. Entire Exhaust system cleaned to .002 inches.
Would the customer ask how do you know it's .002 inches, what would one have to say,...... well i sprayed it...a lot.. and ..... it ....uh...came clean....so it's....yah.....002..
kind of a weird number wonder where the # came from. maybe some fancy research?
makes me wonder why they took out the bare metal part,,hu,,,you think it could be some excuse for some to leave grease behind?:eek:
 
I can't locate the NFPA96 section that states .002-I have 2008 and I can't locate the section, please give a section number in NFPA96/2008-I can't find it in 11.6

In the Annex A 11.6.2 is a referance to the Depth Gauge Comb, that has a base point of 0.002 in. In fact it states that the system should be cleaned at a measured depth of 0.078. This section is used as "explanatory Material" Page 27
 
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David Saulque said:
I can't locate the NFPA96 section that states .002-I have 2008 and I can't locate the section, please give a section number in NFPA96/2008-I can't find it in 11.6

In the Annex A 11.6.2 is a referance to the Depth Gauge Comb, that has a base point of 0.002 in. In fact it states that the system should be cleaned at a measured depth of 0.078. This section is used as "explanatory Material" Page 27
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man 0.078 seems to be getting worse already. about how thick would you say that is?
can some one sho me a pic that has an exhaust system cleaned to .002 or 0.078
 
statewidehoodcleanin said:
man 0.078 seems to be getting worse already. about how thick would you say that is?
can some one sho me a pic that has an exhaust system cleaned to .002 or 0.078
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I'm sorry, I would show you a system I have cleaned, but it is to 0.0000.......that is "bare naked metal", BTW. If I ever decide to become "certified", maybe I could then tell you what 0.002 is. Oh, wait a minute, 0.002=two thousandths of an inch.......I can already tell you what that is, and it isn't bare metal!

Some orgs would like to make certification EASY enough that the illiterate could obtain certification. (hmmmm...) If they cannot even read this post, what makes you think they could even read a micrometer? (hmmmm?) Even if they could read a micrometer, how would they DOCUMENT their findings on an after service report? (hmmm?) (you don't need to know how to read a micrometer, the KEC industry has a "comb")


Once again, "In what manner does your organization ensure 'consistent accountable service' from it's members?" Yes, I'm talking to you, Phil!



....expecting your organization to ensure "consistent accountable service", would prove to be too much effort. You said so yourself. So why would you lead others to believe that you are doing ANYTHING to improve our industry?

You cannot answer me, can you?

Why don't you just stick to what you do well, and write books? Oh wait, you need help with that too....once again, I'm talking to you Phil!
 
Who deleted my post? Since my questions are not welcome here, I will post them EVERYWHERE else!
 
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Maybe the individual that deleted my post can answer my questions...
 
If you are too cowardly to respond to me publicly, PM me. I promise to keep your identity secret. Please, tell me why my questions cannot be posted here.
 
Chris your post is still up on page 4, just where you posted it.
 
If you look at my post, I refer to this section. They are referring to the use of the Grease Comb, and how to use it. Why would or how can a cleaner clean down to .0002. I think that they are saying that if you inspect a period of time after a cleaning (7days) and you find that the depth is .0002 it does not have to be cleaned. At that level you would have to clean every other day.:)
 
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Phil Ackland said:
As much as I would like to share those sort of thoughts, I am afraid a manual such as this is not the appropriate place. We have tried to keep it at a 10th grade reading level to assist people to gain a basic understanding of commercial kitchen systems and fundamental ways they can be cleaned.

We can't get overly legal. First because I am not a lawyer and do not have sufficient expertise. Secondly, I can just see some attorney saying "Mr. Ackland, didn't you say this or that..." or what ever suits their purpose to twist what we are trying to do which is raise the bar of this field and improve the image through consistent accountable service..

Not sure what the answer is. AS a "one man band" there just are not enough hours in the day to do everything. Contrary to what some think, I don't make much money at all this "bar raising" stuff.

Seriously, What I (we all) really need is someone to market all this stuff and get it out to the greater world.
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Mr Ackland,
I think that presentation in a brief summary would do wonders to explain to incoming prospective hood cleaners what the liability is on hood cleaning and the advantages of doing it right.
Not using it a a legal brief but as a "what can happen" and go on to say why a system should be cleaned right. the losses suffered by all could be shown as a warning and an example.
I see quite a few pressure washing companies "experimenting" with hood cleaning and realisticly it would be a great service to the industry to explain and show there is a completely diffrent skill set involved that includes. Liability Insurance, contracts, OSHA,
Equipment wise the machinery and tools are diffrent in what is needed as far as capacitites. the knowlege base of the NFPA code on system set up and maintinance are also involved as well.
It would be a great movement forward to incorporate what NEEDS to be explained in fairness to the prospective student rather than what IS acceptable.
 
The post was not deleted, it was moved to a moderator area for review. I got two phone calls and a text message about the post so I moved it to be reviewed by other mods. If the post has no value or is defamatory it will stay there.
 
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