PWNA Director turns competitor...

they are doing lead generation ....in my opinion its no difference then someone giving you a lead and asking for compensation. you have the option of saying yes or no ........if you want the job.




its like having a salesman .....you have final say so ,that the job is worth doing.
 
Dollarspa said:
they are doing lead generation ....in my opinion its no difference then someone giving you a lead and asking for compensation. you have the option of saying yes or no ........if you want the job.




its like having a salesman .....you have final say so ,that the job is worth doing.
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Do you have to sign a non-compete?

If this is lead generation who gets paid from the customer, you or them?

If the answers are no and you, then that changes everything and it seems like a good deal.

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Tony Shelton said:
Do you have to sign a non-compete?

If this is lead generation who gets paid from the customer, you or them?

If the answers are no and you, then that changes everything and it seems like a good deal.


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Probably not the way it happens though.
 
Tony Shelton said:
Do you have to sign a non-compete?

If this is lead generation who gets paid from the customer, you or them?

If the answers are no and you, then that changes everything and it seems like a good deal.

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How is it a good deal when someone from out of state starts marketing in your city and subcontracting work to you? You are competing for the same customers on the same keywords and same google results page.
 
Ohio pressure wash said:
How is it a good deal when someone from out of state starts marketing in your city and subcontracting work to you? You are competing for the same customers on the same keywords and same google results page.
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would you do it if you had the capabilities? seems to me that he has it going on. I would sell work in boston if i had the oppurtunity, experience and people to do it.

its not a bad deal as long as i can compete in the same apartment complex and as long as i get the amount of money I want. like they said kinda like a sales man. Its a free world he can market anywhere he wants. Its up to me to know my area.
 
Russ Spence said:
It really does not matter does it?

He (whatever his title or affiliation) has the right to make money and market his business.

Simple
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Bingo. I didn't get a chance to meet this Board of Director at the PWNA Convention but I did get to talk to his salesperson who was there taking some classes. There business model is what it is. This sales person is extremely aggressive and there putting in bids as large as 985 stores already. There goal is to be a national company and fast. They want contractors in the areas they come into to contact them for work. This works for some people.

Like Russ said though this has nothing to do with affiliations or titles.
 
Russ Spence said:
It really does not matter does it?

He (whatever his title or affiliation) has the right to make money and market his business.

Simple
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It would matter if your not a member. My only concern is I think unless a contractor is servicing the area himself he could have multiple listings. Otherwise I see this being the problem, he is advertising on pwna to possible hire someone outside the org.

If I'm a member that would be a concern, maybe I just terminate my membership and pay him to scoop my leads.

Now this case it's not happening, he services those areas. This guy doesn't have one truck that covers 29 states. If he subs by chance ill bet he is trying to hire inside the association.

In the past nation phony providers with 10 trucks servicing 5 states each subbing and hacking most of the work has harmed industry business.


Is this our problem or concern? No unless your in the org and work in your service area is being fleeced away from you by a directory listing competing against you in your area. Knowing the rules of how why and how many a member could have would be a concern only for a member.

At the UAmCc we seen this and that's why we have decided to charge for additional listings. I'm certain they are not paying extra at pwna. I have watched Dist cover nationwide as well as one man shows. I was asked if I wanted in the past for other states. I didn't think me using my membership to gain contracts outside my area was right. Hey that's just me, I guess I chose to keep the same name run a strong market and not change my name 15 times. Lol



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No this has nothing to do about the PWNA and its members. Probably 90% of the contractor don't want to work for a company that's into subbing all of their work. When I talked to that Salesperson and I can't think of his name right now they wouldn't be able to come close to get the money we get to do the commercial work and pay us that.

Some people like to work for companies such a "Prism" who has national accounts. They can make good money doing that if there setup for it where other's like myself pay my guys way to much for me to be profitable enough with something like that.

Russ is spot on. Its not an affiliate or title thing. It's their right to be that company that has the national accounts and "National headaches"..lol

As for that PWNA board of director that owns this company I don't know him accept that he's pretty young.

And as the way things work out one of the PWNA Board of directors didn't know I was a powerwasher. When he told me where he was from because I am terrible with names.... bang. I said I remember him at the Dallas Convention and the Conversation me and EA had about what he's presenting there in one of the competitions which this guy won he was surprised I knew all of that and exactly what he presented to win. Memory lane:)
 
John this is where I look at things different, you have to treat members equal. This is not equal or fair to other members in those areas if the person is just subbing accounts to non members.

I look at my membership as my little piece of the pie. Why should someone join with a name claiming they service my area when in fact it's not the truth


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Thats all honorable Ron but in all fairness why should a company like that have to hire Org. Members to work for their potentially large company When in reality you cant even your own fellow contractors to join an org?

Take your case for example. You have many accounts in Arizona and you also have some contractors in Arizona who you know that are UAMCC members. Do you require you subs to be UAMCC members? Also why should someones business scope of employment be limited because of an org? Franchising yes but orgs? Can't see the reasoning to that one at this time or maybe ever.
 
If he is advertising that he is doing things by the org rules, then subing it out to companies that do not have the same high standards, I feel that is kind of false advertising.
 
FullBlast said:
If he is advertising that he is doing things by the org rules, then subing it out to companies that do not have the same high standards, I feel that is kind of false advertising.
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Non profit orgs rules are its bylaws which do not tell u who you have to hire. This is a business decision. Don't get crossed up on org. Bylaws and peoples own personal business model. Seperate.
 
Whatever! LOL

If he were in my area I would care less, we do our job, heck, everyone can advertise in my area for all I care, we will still get more than our share.

I just would not concern myself with any of it if it were me.

Life is good, work smart and have fun! All this org stuff is good for what its good for, I have met thousands of people and not one in 17 years has asked me about an org membership.
 
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Russ Spence said:
Whatever! LOL

If he were in my area I would care less, we do our job, heck, everyone can advertise in my area for all I care, we will still get more than our share.

I just would not concern myself with any of it if it were me.

Life is good, work smart and have fun! All this org stuff is good for what its good for, I have met thousands of people and not one in 17 years has asked me about an org membership.
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Clean County PW said:
Thats all honorable Ron but in all fairness why should a company like that have to hire Org. Members to work for their potentially large company When in reality you cant even your own fellow contractors to join an org?

Take your case for example. You have many accounts in Arizona and you also have some contractors in Arizona who you know that are UAMCC members. Do you require you subs to be UAMCC members? Also why should someones business scope of employment be limited because of an org? Franchising yes but orgs? Can't see the reasoning to that one at this time or maybe ever.
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We are Starting with Community association and BOMA, they will in the future require Safety Training from Orgs.

Yes no one Cares today, tomorrow might be a different story
 
Ron Musgraves said:
We are Starting with Community association and BOMA, they will in the future require Safety Training from Orgs.

Yes no one Cares today, tomorrow might be a different story
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This will be a great thing Ron.

Most of our customers have their own national associations and so should we. It's all about networking.
 
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