PWNA Director turns competitor...

Ohio pressure wash

Ohio pressure wash

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Any one know what this guy is skimming off the top or how he's pricing jobs in your area?

PWNA director Mike Palubiak - Perfect Power Wash is now marketing in all the major cities (8 states) for residential pressure washing. perfectpowerwash.net/how-to-make-more-money-power-washing[dot]html.

Not that I think this has a high chance of success, but for the sake of argument, if it did, the only logical outcome I could see would be local guys under bidding each other to stay busy.

Does it bother anyone to see a PWNA director competing with you in your own city? What happens when/if he actually starts taking work from his own members?

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Here are the places he's targeting...

Pennsylvania:
Philadelphia PA
Harrisburg PA
Pittsburgh PA
Scranton PA
& surrounding areas.

Indiana:
Indianapolis IN
Fort Wayne IN
Evansville IN
& surrounding areas.

New York:
NYC & Long Island NY
Syracuse NY
Binghamton NY
Buffalo NY
Rochester NY
Albany NY
& surrounding areas.

Michigan:
Detroit MI
Grand Rapids MI
Lansing MI
Kalamazoo MI
& surrounding areas.

Kentucky :
Lexington KY
Louisville KY
Frankfort KY
Owensboro KY
& surrounding areas.

Georgia:
Atlanta GA
Athens GA
Augusta GA
Savannah GA
& surrounding areas.

Missouri:
St. Louis MO
Springfield MO
Columbia MO
Kansas City MO
& surrounding areas.


Ohio:
Cleveland OH
Akron OH
Canton OH
Columbus OH
Dayton OH
Cincinnati OH
Toledo OH
& surrounding areas.
 
Art Oliveri said:
Hope he has a license for Suffolk County N.Y. He could lose he nice truck if he gets caught. He is advertising here and he shouldn't be doing that with out a License. Big ass fine!
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I doubt he's sending PPW trucks to do the work. If I understand his pitch, he's just aggregating work orders and then offering them back to the local guy. Since you'd be doing the work, I can't see how he'd need the license.

Here's the problem I see....for example, a house wash varies both in price and definition from one area to another. Some include gutter scrubbing and some upsell it. How is his pricing going to account for this? I just talked to a guy last week (down south) that said he didn't care for house washing and after he told me the average price caused by lowballing, I had to agree with him.

What if PPW's pricing model cuts your market rate for a average house wash by a third? Half?

IMO....this is worse than the ServMag model (which I also can't stand). SM only co-opts & uses your name and charges for the lead. This model removes your identity completely and dictates price.
 
This is exactly the reason I fought so hard to keep national service companies out of the UAMCC. You are not a contractor if you do nothing but sell accounts and have no real accountability for the work.

Here is one of the problems with NSC's:

At any given moment my son, Chris, has LATE accounts receivable from national service companies that equal or exceed his normal monthly gross. It's not just one or two.

We have to pay our employees when their pay is due. Can you imagine how it would go over with employees if I told them, "I'm sorry, I can't pay you till I get paid for the job"?

If you don't have the money, or access to the money, to pay and you have to wait till you get paid, here is a clue..... you shouldn't be hiring out work. Period. You have not reached the level of income nor shown the ability to manage money enough to take on large jobs.

Some of these companies have to be sent letters of cancellation in order to get paid at all. Then, I assume, they take money that should have gone to another contractor and send it to Chris just to keep from having to look for another contractor.

Another problem:

Their contracts usually require a non-compete. Some even go so far as to define competition as soliciting ANY ACCOUNTS that they MAY BE CONSIDERING to solicit themselves.

We have successfully stricken portions of the contract with all NSC's that Chris works with to exclude such language (except for the first one) and changed other portions of the contract before starting work. One hint, if they won't change their contract, they are probably going to end up ripping you off. BEWARE.

Chris doesn't mind working for them if his price can be met and if they don't have some goofy reporting requirements that don't make any sense, like going back the next day to get signatures. But the fact is, most of them get in, make a big sale, then fail. There is no loyalty or appreciation for YOUR good work when some other jack-leg who doesn't know how to wash p*sses off some manager in Kansas and loses the entire account.

Third problem:

NSC's are failing. As a result, they are adding more and more unrelated services to their offerings to try to sweeten the pot. At the Facilities Management conference this year there were only two NSC's there this time. The rest were all gone. The writing is on the wall, this offering of a huge variety of services sounds good on it's face, but in actual operation it fails. Why? Two reasons. 1) There is little to no oversight on the quality of the work and 2) The national or large companies hiring the work out have ZERO loyalty and will drop you as soon as another lowball NSC comes in.

What does this have to do with Residential?

You guys tell me. After seeing the problems on the commercial end, do you really think it will turn out differently on the residential end?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think National or Regional service contractors have a place in any org that purports to represent our industry. Especially on the board of directors. If they want representation they could very easily make their own org.

But then, I guess they already have.
 
I dont completely see the problem with doing this type of thing. IF run properly, and prices were adjusted per state. In the end, no matter what we are ALL paying for our customers one way or another there is no such thing as a free customer. If one organization chooses to( and properly maintains) a large network of qualified, trained pressure washers, makes profit off the top then more power to them. However, like tony said there can be situations where we will run into mismanaged programs, it will happen this is no easy task to run something such as this but hey i'll be giving them a call to figure it all out, who knows maybe I can feed a few more people.
 
Hypothetically looks like a franchise type of setup. But realistically will never work.
 
I have been in business for over 20 years and have seen these come and go. Fast.
 
They rank pretty high in Scranton, PA(Google: "power washing scranton") which is not far from me. Any half-way intelligent internet shopper will see it's a cookie-cutter site with the word Scranton inserted where necessary.
 
boy they make it sound so easy.......Do the work.... get paid..... in 45 to 90 days......sign me up! not
 
Ron Musgraves said:
The Pwna director is a women , her name is Jackie .

The ex director was mike , last name was Hilborn.

Please provide links when posting this type of info or any other.


Text me anytime for question 480-522-5227
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LOL! The info is in my post....Are you saying I have to actually "hyperlink" their website?

BTW, I never said it was the ED...not sure how you came up with that.
 
What makes it atractive to have them in your area? Just wondering what your thgoughts are.

Dollarspa said:
In a heartbeat.........just contacted them.......asking them to add Dallas/fort worth
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