Pressure Wash Or Softwash?

AC Lockyer

New member
Absolutely Len, no matter how much you fool with the meta, contrast, brightness, dates etc we know what you did. Tell ya what, get a current copy of the Spartenburg newspapper and shoot a video with the GM and take some current pix of the hotel and post them. I think thats a good ole fasion way of doing it. AC
 

Shielagh

New member
Seriously? Are we really going to have this pathetic argument all over again?

AC,
I don't think this picture was taken before the wall was treated. It is obvious that the camera adjusted it's white balance to the brighter sky behind the building and negatively impacted the contrast of the photo. Anyone can see that the contrast is not adjusted properly which brings out the worst in the picture (check out the windows in Micah's picture, that's the first clue the contrast is off). I'll attach a photo, too. Regardless of how the picture looks, the building doesn't look like that in person.
This first picture is of that wall mid-cleaning with proper contrast: 053 copy.jpg

This is the same photo with poor contrast. (I edited this manually but it is the same effect)053.JPG See how much worse it looks?


Micah,
Is anyone denying that the wall could have been cleaned better? NOPE This customer got exactly what they contracted us to do and they were more than satisfied with the end result. Every bit of the contract was negotiated openly and several options for reaching 11 stories in the air were discussed, including "Spider Baskets" The final result was the crane for 30 hours max. We finished in 31 hours and swallowed the extra charge. Lower portions of the building were cleaned with more time and, consequently, came cleaner. Like I've said before, you can't walk onto a project, look around and decide what the agreement was.

Micah's use of this photo to prove that SoftWashing with a pressure washer is superior because of rinsing power is pointless, contradictory, even. Simply due to the fact that this building was rinsed with a pressure washer. (you'll notice the pressure washing wand in the photos above) Our company does not say and never has said that one cannot SoftWash with a pressure washer. We usually choose 12V pumps over a pressure washer but not always. There is a big difference between PRESSURE washing a surface and softwashing with a pressure washer. Micah is mad at AC because of things he said when Micah falsely accused us of stealing his pricing. Since that time, Micah has been in destruct mode. He is determined to hurt AC by hurting our company through discreet (and not so discreet) libel and slander, misrepresented photos and the like. Frankly, he would probably be better off if he just gave it up. It's not hurting anyone just wasting his time. Time is valuable when you're growing a business, sad to see him wasting so much of his. Actually, it's kind of funny - we love to laugh when we see his latest attempts and then look at our books and see that we have already made 80% of what we made ALL year last year. God is in control and God knows the truth.

Len,
As for the blacklisting, you wont have any success calling Marriott, I don't think. It was the management company who called me (furious) asking for your names and business names so unless they passed that information on to Marriott headquarters I doubt you'll have success that way. See, as soon as we heard that you all were there taking pictures and that they were texted and passed around. We informed the GM immediately (no names were given until specifically requested.) We kept them up-to-date on every online development, accusation and threat. The GM reported to the management company who obviously wasn't too fond of your actions. We came out smelling like roses, though! Having a major negativity arise and being able to handle it professionally, honestly and promptly makes ya look so much better than if you had just sailed through without any hiccups. He held a special meeting with several other local hotel managers JUST to show them a before and after slideshow of our work and personally recommend our company. That ROCKS!

Please, let's just drop this. It's almost a year ago now. Does anyone but me find it just plain stupid that it's still being argued about and brought up? Len apologized for his involvement and he was immediately forgiven. Micah promised to post a retraction and never did, I'm sorry we had to lose a friend over something so silly. We will continue to reach out to Micah in friendly ways when we bump into him.

We cleaned this place, management was happy, end of story. Let's get on with our lives. :)
 

AC Lockyer

New member
Shielagh,

You are correct (right) there doesnt need to be a fuss about this project anymore. I just wanted to point out to Micah and his possey that this kind of unprofessionalism doesnt pay off. They will never know how much respect they have lost or how it has stunted their business.

I do think a thread on professional courtesy would be good for discussion. You know the world is round.

AC
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
I hope you do not Mind I write a Story about this.
Seriously? Are we really going to have this pathetic argument all over again?

AC,
I don't think this picture was taken before the wall was treated. It is obvious that the camera adjusted it's white balance to the brighter sky behind the building and negatively impacted the contrast of the photo. Anyone can see that the contrast is not adjusted properly which brings out the worst in the picture (check out the windows in Micah's picture, that's the first clue the contrast is off). I'll attach a photo, too. Regardless of how the picture looks, the building doesn't look like that in person.
This first picture is of that wall mid-cleaning with proper contrast: View attachment 20771

This is the same photo with poor contrast. (I edited this manually but it is the same effect)View attachment 20772 See how much worse it looks?


Micah,
Is anyone denying that the wall could have been cleaned better? NOPE This customer got exactly what they contracted us to do and they were more than satisfied with the end result. Every bit of the contract was negotiated openly and several options for reaching 11 stories in the air were discussed, including "Spider Baskets" The final result was the crane for 30 hours max. We finished in 31 hours and swallowed the extra charge. Lower portions of the building were cleaned with more time and, consequently, came cleaner. Like I've said before, you can't walk onto a project, look around and decide what the agreement was.

Micah's use of this photo to prove that SoftWashing with a pressure washer is superior because of rinsing power is pointless, contradictory, even. Simply due to the fact that this building was rinsed with a pressure washer. (you'll notice the pressure washing wand in the photos above) Our company does not say and never has said that one cannot SoftWash with a pressure washer. We usually choose 12V pumps over a pressure washer but not always. There is a big difference between PRESSURE washing a surface and softwashing with a pressure washer. Micah is mad at AC because of things he said when Micah falsely accused us of stealing his pricing. Since that time, Micah has been in destruct mode. He is determined to hurt AC by hurting our company through discreet (and not so discreet) libel and slander, misrepresented photos and the like. Frankly, he would probably be better off if he just gave it up. It's not hurting anyone just wasting his time. Time is valuable when you're growing a business, sad to see him wasting so much of his. Actually, it's kind of funny - we love to laugh when we see his latest attempts and then look at our books and see that we have already made 80% of what we made ALL year last year. God is in control and God knows the truth.

Len,
As for the blacklisting, you wont have any success calling Marriott, I don't think. It was the management company who called me (furious) asking for your names and business names so unless they passed that information on to Marriott headquarters I doubt you'll have success that way. See, as soon as we heard that you all were there taking pictures and that they were texted and passed around. We informed the GM immediately (no names were given until specifically requested.) We kept them up-to-date on every online development, accusation and threat. The GM reported to the management company who obviously wasn't too fond of your actions. We came out smelling like roses, though! Having a major negativity arise and being able to handle it professionally, honestly and promptly makes ya look so much better than if you had just sailed through without any hiccups. He held a special meeting with several other local hotel managers JUST to show them a before and after slideshow of our work and personally recommend our company. That ROCKS!

Please, let's just drop this. It's almost a year ago now. Does anyone but me find it just plain stupid that it's still being argued about and brought up? Len apologized for his involvement and he was immediately forgiven. Micah promised to post a retraction and never did, I'm sorry we had to lose a friend over something so silly. We will continue to reach out to Micah in friendly ways when we bump into him.

We cleaned this place, management was happy, end of story. Let's get on with our lives. :)
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
I hope you do not Mind I write a Story about this.
Seriously? Are we really going to have this pathetic argument all over again?

AC,
I don't think this picture was taken before the wall was treated. It is obvious that the camera adjusted it's white balance to the brighter sky behind the building and negatively impacted the contrast of the photo. Anyone can see that the contrast is not adjusted properly which brings out the worst in the picture (check out the windows in Micah's picture, that's the first clue the contrast is off). I'll attach a photo, too. Regardless of how the picture looks, the building doesn't look like that in person.
This first picture is of that wall mid-cleaning with proper contrast: View attachment 20771

This is the same photo with poor contrast. (I edited this manually but it is the same effect)View attachment 20772 See how much worse it looks?


Micah,
Is anyone denying that the wall could have been cleaned better? NOPE This customer got exactly what they contracted us to do and they were more than satisfied with the end result. Every bit of the contract was negotiated openly and several options for reaching 11 stories in the air were discussed, including "Spider Baskets" The final result was the crane for 30 hours max. We finished in 31 hours and swallowed the extra charge. Lower portions of the building were cleaned with more time and, consequently, came cleaner. Like I've said before, you can't walk onto a project, look around and decide what the agreement was.

Micah's use of this photo to prove that SoftWashing with a pressure washer is superior because of rinsing power is pointless, contradictory, even. Simply due to the fact that this building was rinsed with a pressure washer. (you'll notice the pressure washing wand in the photos above) Our company does not say and never has said that one cannot SoftWash with a pressure washer. We usually choose 12V pumps over a pressure washer but not always. There is a big difference between PRESSURE washing a surface and softwashing with a pressure washer. Micah is mad at AC because of things he said when Micah falsely accused us of stealing his pricing. Since that time, Micah has been in destruct mode. He is determined to hurt AC by hurting our company through discreet (and not so discreet) libel and slander, misrepresented photos and the like. Frankly, he would probably be better off if he just gave it up. It's not hurting anyone just wasting his time. Time is valuable when you're growing a business, sad to see him wasting so much of his. Actually, it's kind of funny - we love to laugh when we see his latest attempts and then look at our books and see that we have already made 80% of what we made ALL year last year. God is in control and God knows the truth.

Len,
As for the blacklisting, you wont have any success calling Marriott, I don't think. It was the management company who called me (furious) asking for your names and business names so unless they passed that information on to Marriott headquarters I doubt you'll have success that way. See, as soon as we heard that you all were there taking pictures and that they were texted and passed around. We informed the GM immediately (no names were given until specifically requested.) We kept them up-to-date on every online development, accusation and threat. The GM reported to the management company who obviously wasn't too fond of your actions. We came out smelling like roses, though! Having a major negativity arise and being able to handle it professionally, honestly and promptly makes ya look so much better than if you had just sailed through without any hiccups. He held a special meeting with several other local hotel managers JUST to show them a before and after slideshow of our work and personally recommend our company. That ROCKS!

Please, let's just drop this. It's almost a year ago now. Does anyone but me find it just plain stupid that it's still being argued about and brought up? Len apologized for his involvement and he was immediately forgiven. Micah promised to post a retraction and never did, I'm sorry we had to lose a friend over something so silly. We will continue to reach out to Micah in friendly ways when we bump into him.

We cleaned this place, management was happy, end of story. Let's get on with our lives. :)
 

Apple Roof Cleaning

Roof Cleaning Instructor
Actually, I have had great success using my 12V pump on that type of surface, and is sometimes my preferred method, especially if it's real dirty. I have found on many occasion that using my roof pump set up on exteriors like that actually cleans faster AND better than down streaming. Just all depends on the specific job for me. I never like to eliminate one method of cleaning over another.
I agree Doug, there is a time and a place for every cleaning method and process in our arsenals.
I have a few local Tampa Florida area pressure washing guys who do not clean roofs I work with. I refer pressure washing work to them I choose not to do, and they refer tile and shingle roof cleaning work to me.
One day, I showed a local pressure washer how fast and good aluminum soffit's clean up chemically. The local pressure washing contractor was so impressed, he called Powerwash.com and ordered a 12 volt chemical pump setup!
But, as cleaning professionals, we also must know the limitations of our setups. You simply can't just squirt chlorine on the floor of a parking garage full of grease and road film!

There is a time and place for the use of Pressure and or Hot Water, for cleaning greasy parking garage floors.
 

Marcus

New member
pressure wash or Softwash

That gets into the age old dispute over the definition of pressure wash, power wash, and Softwash.
My answers relate to residential home cleaning as I rarely do commercial work due to the laws here.

I pressure wash all flatwork with high pressure water.

I power wash all homes and standing structures using a pressure washer that puts out low pressure water and a house cleaning solution that is injected for down stream purposes. You do not Softwash standing structures nor homes because there is not enough water flow from a 12 volt pump to rinse as well as a pressure washer.

I Softwash when ever I clean a roof only. Pressure washing to even a tile roof will damage it let alone a composite roof. I can see the granules in the gutters and piled up at the bottom of the downspouts. I have seen tile roofs that have been cleaned with high pressure and it took chunks of the glazing out of the tile roof.
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
What ever is needed , very cool
pressure wash or Softwash

That gets into the age old dispute over the definition of pressure wash, power wash, and Softwash.
My answers relate to residential home cleaning as I rarely do commercial work due to the laws here.

I pressure wash all flatwork with high pressure water.

I power wash all homes and standing structures using a pressure washer that puts out low pressure water and a house cleaning solution that is injected for down stream purposes. You do not Softwash standing structures nor homes because there is not enough water flow from a 12 volt pump to rinse as well as a pressure washer.

I Softwash when ever I clean a roof only. Pressure washing to even a tile roof will damage it let alone a composite roof. I can see the granules in the gutters and piled up at the bottom of the downspouts. I have seen tile roofs that have been cleaned with high pressure and it took chunks of the glazing out of the tile roof.
 

AC Lockyer

New member
Yes Pat and his company is doing VERY WELL now with two branches, Greeneville and Charlotte and has 4 trucks on the road. He cleans projects bigger than the hotel now on a regular basis and is one of 30 of our SoftWash Authorized companies Nationwide. I am very proud of what he has accomplished.

AC
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
More than well I just did a little talk to his guys a few months back, about 6. Pats company is out running the local competitors and peanut gallery.

I'm happy for those guys


Oct event San Diego free free text me for more details !!
 

Christopher

Moderator
pressure wash or Softwash

That gets into the age old dispute over the definition of pressure wash, power wash, and Softwash.
My answers relate to residential home cleaning as I rarely do commercial work due to the laws here.

I pressure wash all flatwork with high pressure water.

I power wash all homes and standing structures using a pressure washer that puts out low pressure water and a house cleaning solution that is injected for down stream purposes. You do not Softwash standing structures nor homes because there is not enough water flow from a 12 volt pump to rinse as well as a pressure washer.

I Softwash when ever I clean a roof only. Pressure washing to even a tile roof will damage it let alone a composite roof. I can see the granules in the gutters and piled up at the bottom of the downspouts. I have seen tile roofs that have been cleaned with high pressure and it took chunks of the glazing out of the tile roof.


I agree Marcus, there are surfaces to clean with a pressure washer and surfaces to clean with low pressure pumps, just tools to get the job done the right way and safely.
 
pressure wash or Softwash

That gets into the age old dispute over the definition of pressure wash, power wash, and Softwash.
My answers relate to residential home cleaning as I rarely do commercial work due to the laws here.

I pressure wash all flatwork with high pressure water.

I power wash all homes and standing structures using a pressure washer that puts out low pressure water and a house cleaning solution that is injected for down stream purposes. You do not Softwash standing structures nor homes because there is not enough water flow from a 12 volt pump to rinse as well as a pressure washer.

I Softwash when ever I clean a roof only. Pressure washing to even a tile roof will damage it let alone a composite roof. I can see the granules in the gutters and piled up at the bottom of the downspouts. I have seen tile roofs that have been cleaned with high pressure and it took chunks of the glazing out of the tile roof.
That is a good response to the question.
 

ABC

New member
If I stand close, I'm pressure washing......
If I stand farther away, Im soft washing.....


I love my xjet.
 

ChathamPM

New member
Agree, if we're talking about roofs... low psi is not only more marketable but Faster, more "Bang For The Buck". I will not "Pressure Wash" a Roof....Too much time not "Profitable"

Houses? It takes more psi than a 12v or air pump can produce to wash a house properly IMO. Again, to much time, not profitable. 2500 sq. ft and under takes 1 hour or less. Show me a process that takes 30mins and I'm all ears.

Just my .02

Softwashing is the only way to go unless its brick or concrete. I can clean 2500 sq. ft house in under thirty minutes, except for brick. Plus with softwashing the amount of grime does not matter, the amount of hose does not matter. What you mix in the tank is what comes out of the hose.
 
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