Why an ORG

Good question, If you really want a answer, don't look at the pressure washing industry. Look at IKECA in the kec industry. The way it is run and operates carries a lot of clout in the kec industry.

I don't know if I agree with everything they do, BUT it is set up and is the org that is involved with our governing codes. Namely NFPA.

If the UAMCC could emulate that org just one tenth. They will become THEE org to reckon with when it comes to bmp's and such. Wish them all the best!
 
welder said:
Good question, If you really want a answer, don't look at the pressure washing industry. Look at IKECA in the kec industry. The way it is run and operates carries a lot of clout in the kec industry.

I don't know if I agree with everything they do, BUT it is set up and is the org that is involved with our governing codes. Namely NFPA.

If the UAMCC could emulate that org just one tenth. They will become THEE org to reckon with when it comes to bmp's and such. Wish them all the best!
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Not to be negative Mark about IKECA but what exactly have they completed?

Again I Think Chris question will be asked that many of the changes and organization came right here on PWI.

I know you may find That hard to believe but they have also found the members here and member have found them.

Then there are the so -called Left party that Started another Org. As a result the industry changed in another direction.

All the BOD of IKECA read this BBS. All of them and more, its also why other do not come here because they think they have escaped to un-charted BBS land.

I agree with the statement on the UAMCC, they do not realize how close they are to having the success, if only they can find a Leader from within to push them.

Chris, Really????????? YES i agree you may have helped many hundreds in this industry thru the NET. Your a pioneer in window cleaning history and if you fall down you will like others just be forgotten and written over. Please do not take offense or take this negative. I sit in the same Boat!!!

People truly want a leadership they can trust. Our leaders in this industry keep failing and letting us down. Its not bad people , just a broken way of looking at this new world. Old dawgs that do not want change, new guys affraid to make Change.

I too hope the UAMCC can reach this, I cannot help as much as I would like. (political)

We also have people who own BBS and do not realize how much influence they have on the industry.
 
Ron,
I am not saying IKECA has done good bad or indifferent. What I am saying is that Boston used them for their licensing guidelines. No one else stepped up to the plate. or in time anyhow. NYC used their guidance to set up their kec licensing. Numerous others.

There is a structure and a format in IKECA's that were set up to comply with ALL the current laws of a non profit certifying org. Nobody else in KEC has that.

My original post basically stated to look at how they are set up and how they function. Everyone looks to pwna as a comparison. If people have problems with pwna, look outside the box at other successful orgs and see how they are set up and operated.

I am not disputing who what when where why or how when it comes to this bbs. Who reads it, who doesn't. I am just saying, like you preach on this board. emulate those that have been there done that.

IKECA has been there, done that.
 
Chris WCR said:
In the window cleaning world we have 3 orgs.. They seem to run pretty smoothly.. But I always thought BBS did way more to to educate and spread the knowledge. Im curious, why do people belong to them?
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Thats a Great & Interesting question Chris.

I can only speak for myself, but here goes.... I was looking for an Org. that represents the "Core" of the Business or Industry (If You Will) that my Company is in.

I was looking for an Org. that is made up of Businessmen like myself, that know how to relate to each other, that can communicate freely with each other, exchange knowledge and ideas that will help to grow our Businesses.

I was looking for an Org. that truly wants to bring the Industry that I belong, to the forefront of public perception and hold itself to a higher standard.

I was looking for an Org. that was Lead by the same people that make up their Membership, you know Small Business People like yourself, and most of the Contractors that visit these boards everyday.

And We're Doing Our Best To Do That At The UAMCC!!!

Insert Clappy Hands Here
 
Mark, I think we are both in agreement on Ikeca to this point. Only the future will tell you where they go.

welder said:
Ron,
I am not saying IKECA has done good bad or indifferent. What I am saying is that Boston used them for their licensing guidelines. No one else stepped up to the plate. or in time anyhow. NYC used their guidance to set up their kec licensing. Numerous others.

There is a structure and a format in IKECA's that were set up to comply with ALL the current laws of a non profit certifying org. Nobody else in KEC has that.

My original post basically stated to look at how they are set up and how they function. Everyone looks to pwna as a comparison. If people have problems with pwna, look outside the box at other successful orgs and see how they are set up and operated.

I am not disputing who what when where why or how when it comes to this bbs. Who reads it, who doesn't. I am just saying, like you preach on this board. emulate those that have been there done that.

IKECA has been there, done that.
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I think the reason I belong to them is for logo rental purposes. Customers think I stand out and must know more I guess. Whatever works I suppose. I still like the higher pricing motto and being premier company. It helps customers fork over a few more dollars to use you.
 
Guy I know you are trying, you might be the only reason I stuck in there. I realize you may or may not believe that. Your leadership is great, you have vision, you just need a strong leader at the top or they should all clear a path for you!!!

Guy Blackmon said:
Thats a Great & Interesting question Chris.

I can only speak for myself, but here goes.... I was looking for an Org. that represents the "Core" of the Business or Industry (If You Will) that my Company is in.

I was looking for an Org. that is made up of Businessmen like myself, that know how to relate to each other, that can communicate freely with each other, exchange knowledge and ideas that will help to grow our Businesses.

I was looking for an Org. that truly wants to bring the Industry that I belong, to the forefront of public perception and hold itself to a higher standard.

I was looking for an Org. that was Lead by the same people that make up their Membership, you know Small Business People like yourself, and most of the Contractors that visit these boards everyday.

And We're Doing Our Best To Do That At The UAMCC!!!

Insert Clappy Hands Here
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AZ PowerWash Pros said:
I will never give up the BBB I have had two or three clients use me just because I was an accredited business. Not to mention it makes your company look really professional. Its not even that expensive. I just look at it as a business expense and write it off.
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Far to Many that don't care, this is the problem with our industry. Call me this week, you can swing over and will have lunch. I'll be in south Phx Monday morning and back out in east valley by noon.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Matt, the logo rental is great. After 25 years of hearing that crap I'm tired.
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It's what you put into it. I'm certain the majority of accredited bbb members don't pay because the bbb does something for them. They join to use the logo on marketing material to land more contracts. If you want to put more in an org I'm sure you can get your money back x10. People join for other reasons.
 
Matthew Norman said:
It's what you put into it. If you want to put more in an org I'm sure you can get your money back x10.
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Very true statement Matt, I think that you should be involved with any Org. you belong to, in some way or another. The more Members that are involved (I Mean Really Involved) the stronger the Org. is.


Ron, I am tired of the Contractors being treated like "Red Headed Step Children" By The Industry We Represent.

Contractors Are The Industry, Not The Other Way Around.
 
First off bb's are great and there free. You can't beat that price. If you ever look at different business that are somewhat large you will see that they belong to many groups. My Fathers past company belonged to an organization and for years since My Dads company was a manufacturer they went to the Atlanta Convention where thousands and thousands of potential clients went to.

I have a few stories like that but to get to the point as it relates to this industry because these orgs are extremely small at the most part...An org. needs to stand for something!! They also need to find ways to benefit there members.

A quick example of this is the www.iwca.org This window washing org. spearheaded the Rope hook that is attached to the top of high rise buildings for the window washers safety. This alone benefited many because it dealt with safety. You want that.

You also need the marketing aspect of belonging to an org. That is huge but the org. needs to stay on top of things for this to benefit you such as them have you listed on there home page as an Org. contractor.

So if you want to be successful and stay there or improve even more it pays to belong to many groups so you can market that and an org. would be one of those groups.

1 man operations can also use an org. because they will meet people in there that are pretty successful. If 1 man operation is your only goal then if the org. is not to expensive it still can benefit you. You want to be able to, besides make connections and all that stuff, you want to make more money or at least keep yourself busy as much as possible and once again an org. can help you there but as in most cases its up to you to do some work for this to happen. Such as having a website with the org. logo and link on it.

That aside bb's will always be great but never cross them up with the potential of your org. membership.
 
I see no other reason to join an org other than to have your hand held...

Unless your trying to destroy it from within.
And that in itself is admirable.
 
My main reason for wanting Pressure Washing Orgs is to help stop unreasonable regulations. I saw how just a letter from a national org (UAMCC) helped stop a county from adding a regulation that was going into place, that would of been costly against PWing contractor. They if I remember correctly were either getting ready to or already started the reg, I letter went out explaining why it wasnt needed. They reconsidered and got rid of that requirement
Often one or two or more contractors calling will help, but possibly often it wont, I letter from a national org possibly and did help

There's a lot of stupid stuff that will come down the road at us in the next several years. I hope we get a couple strong orgs to fight with us

As for why I want or would join an org, I could of cared less for years, now I am part of other industry orgs and I see they help educate their members and CUSTOMERS, thats what I hope for, for our industry someday. The UAMCC & PWNA had some tough times, but I rather see them struggle and hopefully get stronger than not be around when we need them
Plus yup, I like logo rental too and hope that education and getting the public to look at us as a true profession is a top priority in the upcoming years

So I figure I will help a little now in the infancy in the hopes that its a success for all of us, members & non members.
 
Lou hoods&more said:
I see no other reason to join an org other than to have your hand held...

Unless your trying to destroy it from within.
And that in itself is admirable.
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I'am affraid to tell you Lou that your industry is very close to Insurance Co required you be certified to clean the units.

If you think its will never happen? Go try to get something as simple as a windshield repaired by un-authorized non certified guy and see if the insurance Co pays the bill.

Its just around the corner!!!!!!!!

Kill another Fire Fighter and it will happen weeks after the funeral.

Lou you do Good work and Complain about hacks the entire time your here on PWI? WHY If you believe the industry you work in will never change then why bother complaining. You breed KEC guys everyday here Lou, your TGP brought in many guys into this industry with PWI's Help. WHY THEN????????

What do you believe in? YOU!!!!!!!!
 
My main reason for wanting Pressure Washing Orgs is to help stop unreasonable regulations. I saw how just a letter from a national org (UAMCC) helped stop a county from adding a regulation that was going into place, that would of been costly against PWing contractor. They if I remember correctly were either getting ready to or already started the reg, I letter went out explaining why it wasnt needed. They reconsidered and got rid of that requirement
Often one or two or more contractors calling will help, but possibly often it wont, I letter from a national org possibly and did help
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What do we do to the people who use the Org to make Regs tough and put our brothers out of work. This has happened FIVE times in the past......

Contractors Control is very important. But honest people at the helm, not CROOOKSSSS
 
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