When is it too cold?

Dominic A

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When? In your opinion is it too cold to clean exhaust systems? I live in a very cold area. I have started to see temps. drop down to 2 above zero. Is that to cold? When do you call it to cold to go out and work. And what do you do if it is. I know you will do it at another time but when? I am sure you can't go weeks saying its to cold to work or can you?Please let me know what you think. :D
 
Cold Weather Hints

Delco's Cold Weather Hints for Pressure Wash Contractors
Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth, 2513 Warfield St., Fort Worth, Texas 76106-7554
Phone: 800-433-2113; Fax: 817-625-2059
Email: delco@dcs1.com, Website: www.dcs1.com

By: Robert M. Hinderliter.
Last Update: October 19, 2001

DO NOT LET YOUR WASHER FREEZE! If possible, store your pressure washer in a warm place. Automatic bathroom or "Milk House" electric heaters work well in small areas like small garages and inside of enclosed vehicles (vans, bobtails, trailers).

For Natural Gas and LP Gas washers the pilot lights provide heat at the base of your heater coils. Block off the stack to capture additional pilot light heat.

Heat lamps or 500 watt halogen light next to the pump under a tarp or carboard box helps protect the pump. If you cover the entire wash rig with a tarp you can protect the entire rig if it not too cold for too long.

Automatic kerosene (torpedo heaters) & Natural Gas heaters will protect larger areas. Connect these to automatic thermostats. Thermostats on short plug in extention cords are about $35.00 at your local hardware store.

Infrared LP gas heaters also work well. Heat from these heaters can be quite intense so watch for fire hazards.

Water Tanks can be kept from freezing over night by installing recirculating water pumps to keep the water moving. Install a water filter to clean your water as it is recirculating.

If you heat the inside of an enclosed vehicle (Bobtail or Van) with snow or ice on top you may melt the snow or ice. When the water runs down the sides of the vehicle is may freeze again locking the doors and windows in place making it difficult to gain entry.

An enclosed vehicle (van, step van, bobtail, enclosed trailer, etc.) offers protection against thieft in addition to weather protection. Insulate the inside of your vehicle for additional protection against the cold weather. If you store your vehicle inside of a heated garage short travels of an hour or less can usually be made without the pressure washer freezing.

A lot of garages and garage doors are uninsulated. Insulating the garage and garage doors offer additional protection against the cold weather. Light weight styrofoam panels are easily attached to garage doors.

Caution: Do not put combustibles next to your heat source, or items that could melt.


If your washer is going to freeze, the best way to protect your washer is with automotive anti-freeze, RV anti-freeze, or windshield washer fluid (Note: Be sure and check the freezing point of the fluid you are using. Some windshield washer fluids do not protect below freezing). Fill up your empty float tank with anti-freeze then start up your washer and push out the water with anti-freeze, (Note, most hot high pressure washers hold about 5 gallons). Remove your spray tip from your wand and insert it into the float tank. Recirculate the anti-freeze for 2 minutes while turning the Trigger Gun on and off to force antifreeze into the by-pass line of the unloader. This will protect your pump, coils, hoses and plumbing. This should protect everything except the chemical line hose which you will need to do separately while recirculating the antifreeze.

Use a 5-gallon jug to capture the anti-freeze for reuse. If you start out with 5 gallons of pure antifreeze it should last you all winter if you recapture it each time. If you have any questions on this call Gerardo, Rusty, Larry, or Robert for customer toll free support at : 800-433-2113.

If your unit does not have a float tank, use a 5-gallon bucket and insert the water intake hose into it.

For pressure washers without float tanks that are hooked to water tanks you can install a 3/4" or 1" 3-way ball valve (T-valve) with a short piece of hose in the inlet water line to introduce the antifreeze with. This way it is not necessary to disconnect the water line from the water tank.


The next best way to protect your unit from freezing is to blow out the water with air pressure. Be careful with this method. Water will collect in low places and still break your washer. This is especially true if you move your washer after blowing out the water on vehicle mounted pressure washers. The vibration will collect water droplets in low places, especially in the heater coils.

The packing and the valves in the high pressure pump may not completely dry when blowing out the water with air. If you start up the pump before it thaws out the valves may stick closed and the packing may stick to the cermanic plungers and tear it up.


Your washer will freeze going down the highway with a reported air temperature of 35 degrees Fahrenheit. That is because of the cooler temperatures in low places. Remember that air temperature varies normally 2 to 6 degrees in a given region going up and down high and low places.


In calm air hot water washing can be done to 15 to 25 degrees Fahrenheit. It depends on how your customer can tolerate ice on the ground or pavement (See the next item). In blowing wind hot water washing can be done to about 34 degrees Fahrenheit. If possible wash in direct sunlight to take advantage of thermal heating.


If your wash water runs across sidewalks or driveways and freezes, salt or sand these areas down for safety. Always carry a bucket of rock salt or sand for your customer's safety. Note: Rock Salt will give the people a rough surface to walk on for better traction.


Aluminum brightening and acid cleaning do not work well below 60 degrees Fahrenheit. Remember the sun, direct sun light will raise surface temperature several degrees.


You can pull open trailer wash rigs with water tanks down the highway in freezing temperatures by putting your wash wand into your 500 gallon water tank and firing up the water heater and recirculating the water as go down the road. If you are only going a short distance or if the temperature is not very cold (like 15 to 20°F) it may not be necessary to turn on the water heater. In this case this procedure will also work for cold water pressure washers connected to water tanks.


Keep your water supply hoses flowing with water, water out of the ground will be about 50 degrees Fahrenheit in most areas. If your water supply or high pressure hoses run across the cold ground they will freeze in a few minutes in sub-zero temperatures.


The average ground water summer to winter water temperature variation is about 30°F. Most oil fired high pressure water heaters raise the inlet water temperature 120 to 140°F with the burner running continuously. With the reduction inlet water temperature in the winter you need to increase your fuel nozzle one or two sizes. Then in the spring you need to change the fuel nozzle again and reduce the fuel nozzle by one or two sizes.


Chemicals work slower in cold weather. Plan on using more chemicals and dwell extra time for the chemicals to work.


Do not let your chemicals freeze. Store in a dry, warm place. Liquid chemicals will usually separate upon freezing.


Protect yourself in cold weather with: 1) rain suits, 2) over shoes, 3) hard hats with rain troughs to keep water from going down the back of your neck and with face shields to protect your eyes and face, 4) thermal underware, and 5) gauntlet gloves with jersey inserts. Turn the gauntlet back so that water will not run down you arm. 6) Keep extra dry gloves available.


On days you cannot wash do sales calls and equipment maintenance. Call Delco at 800-433-2113 and order spare parts.


Below freezing work: vent-a-hoods; in-plant cleaning; produce warehouses, limo garages, inside factories, automotive garages, car dealer repair shops, de-icing of: aircraft, oil field drilling rigs, refineries, manufacturing plants with outside water piping, etc. Look for anything that will be inside cleaning with a pressure washer.


You can drain your water hose by disconnecting it at each end, laying it out in a straight line, then walking down the hose passing the hose over your shoulder.


Be careful where you point your spray: door locks, brake drums, door jams, and steps will freeze after you spray water on them. If you use 180 degree to 200 degree Fahrenheit, hot water evaporation will help minimize the icing problem. Sometimes you can minimize the freezing by opening and closing doors and operating the locks. Also you can spray with WD-40 with the long red needle adapter into door locks and mechanisms. Put some WD-40 on a rag and wipe on the rubber weather seals of the doors.


Sheathing Wax added to the rinse water like W-200 Spray Wax will help the water slide off faster, speed the drying process, and reduce icing. Depending on the temperature a leaf blower may also help in blowing off the water to reduce icing. This also can increase the freezing rate if not used propertly.


When washing reefer trailer make sure the units are running, this will help minimize icing.


Avoid washing in the shade. Direct sun light heats up skin temperature rapidly. Try to have get the fleet owner to park vehicles in the sun.


If you walk on a lot of ice, use boot chains or shoes with spikes. Remember water and ice are really slick. Caution: The force from the surge of pressure at the trigger gun from a pressure actuated unloader can slide you backwards on ice or knock you down! While the froce at the trigger gun from flow actuated unloaders may slide you backwards.


Mount your pressure washing equipment in an enclosed trailer, Bobtail Truck, or Step Van and insulate the inside.


Start your washing activities later in the day after the sun has had time to warm items up, like after 10:00 a.m.


Drop a small electric water pump (like those used for waterfall displays) with a 3' hose attached into the water tank. Water in motion will delay the freezing of the water tank. Also small submersible water heaters work good in water tanks for keeping the water above freezing.


When traveling short distances you can disconnect your pressure washer from the water tank and only antifreeze the pressure washer, hoses, etc. Put a plug into the water tank. When you arrive at the job site remove the plug and use a screwdriver and knock out the ice.


Where practicable cover exposed piping with heat tape. Freeze protect outside faucets with heat tape or freeze proof valves.


You can remove ice from house gutters by heating up the gutter from bottom and sides then removing the ice by hand in 3 to 5 foot sections. Average size home can be done in about an hour.


Use indoor fittings with garden hose hook up for the sinks for when outside faucets are frozen.


If at all possible never travel with your water tank half full. The surging of the water can push you out into an intersection or make you lose control under slippery conditions. Always check the brakes at the beginning of each day!


Common add on businesses for supplementing income during the winter months: 1) window washing, 2) New construction cleanup of houses for final walk throughs, 3) snow removal, 4) chimney cleaning, 5) carpet cleaning 6) yard work and maintenance cleanup, & 7) painting.


The best way to keep air lines from freezing is to have one continuous line with a moisture filter at the compressor.


Window washing can be done in the winter time in below freezing weather. Be aware of the following: Double pane windows freeze faster than single pane windows because single pane windows get heat from the inside; use warm water but not hot water because you may crack the window from thermal stress; add 1/2 to 1 gallon of windshield washer fluid or methanol to a 5 gallon bucket of wash water.


Window washers commonly add "Methanol" to their wash water to keep it from freezing. This solves the water freezing problem but not the hand freezing problem. Some Power Washers also use this technique and add Methanol to their wash water. They purchase the Methanol from their Oil or Diesel Fuel Supplier or a Solvent Specialty Company by the 55 gallon drum. How much to add. Depends of the ambient conditions. Start out at about 5% and adjust from there.


Winter Storage of Pressure Washers:

A. Antifreeze your pressure washer per instructions above. Use automotive anitifreeze for storage of your pressure washer. I have personally seen units stored over 5 years with automotive anitifreeze with no problems except to pop the pump inlet valves.

B. Get a Fuel Stabilizer from an auto parts store and add to the fuel tank to keep your fuel from turning into varnish and having the gaskets in the carburetor go bad.

C. Remove the spark plug wires; spray WD-40 into the carburetor while turning over the engine to coat everything with oil.

D. Remove the spark plugs and spray with WD-40 into the cylinders or put in some "Marvel Mystery" brand oil. Turn over the engine a few times to coat the cylinder walls.

E. Change the engine oil and oil filter. If you do not change the engine oil the sludge will collect on the bottom of the oil pan and solidify.

F. Top off the Fuel Tank to keep moisture from condensing inside the fuel tank. This will cause rusting of steel fuel tanks and water in the fuel.

G. In the Spring put in fresh fuel, replace the spark plugs, and start it up. If it is hard to start spray WD-40 into the carburetor intake the same way you would starting fluid. This give an easier ignition than starting fluid.


"Clean-Crete" a waterless concrete cleaning process for drive-thrus at banks and fast food restaurants can be used year around. The only winter limitation is that the concrete needs to be clear of snow and ice. For more information go to http://www.dcs1.com/clean-crete/.


Kitchen Exhaust Cleaning. When finished have one person turn on the fan on while a 2nd person sprays deicer on the fan. Then leave the fan on. This assures that the fan works and is not out of balance when the morning kitchen crew arrives.


Use fall protection equipment when on roofs. You may want to hose down the roof and melt the ice and snow.


Sealing Decks: You need 12 to 24 hours of drying time above 50°F before sealing a deck. Use a moisture meter to be sure the deck is dry enough. Follow the manufacturer recommendations of your Deck Sealer you are using. Some Contractors have cut off dates like October 31 of each year to stop sealing wood (Decks, fences, roofs, etc). Decks will be warmest from 11:00 am until 3:00 pm.


At what temperature do you quit washing? This is a safety issue. 1) Is it safe to drive on the roads? 2) Can you arrive at the job site safely and without the equipment freezing up? 3) Will you have a safe surface to walk on? Will you be on a roof? Sidewalk? Ice or Snow? Scoffolding? 4) Can your employees drive to work OK? 5) Will the freezing of the waste wash water be a problem? 6) Can the washing be done safely? 7) What will other traffic be like and how skilled are other drivers? What are the chances of a traffic accident?


For the latest version of "Delco's Cold Water Hints for Pressure Wash Contractors" go to http://www.dcs1.com/del/weather.html



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By: Robert M Hinderliter, Delco Cleaning Systems of Fort Worth, 2513 Warfield St., Fort Worth, Texas 76106-7554. email: delco@dcs1.com ; URL: http://www.dcs1.com ; Phone: 800-433-2113; Fax: 817-625-2059.
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above everything that Larry had to say, it comes down to can you work in the cold and keep your equipment from freezing in the process, I do this by not removing the anti-freeze until the last possible minute, making sure that once I start spraying I will not have to stop for any length of time, that will allow equipment to start to freeze. The metal parts will freeze first , couplings in the hose, and the gun seem to go first.
You mentioned you have had already temps at 2 degrees, if you have those temps already what are they in the dead of winter, it may be to cold, you will have to decide for yourself with saftey being the first priority. What do other companies in your area do?
Here is a thought, if it is to cold to work outside, rather than skip the cleaning altogether, why not at a reduced price and with the customers conscent skip the fan, you can still tip the fan back and spray down the duct, with out the water freezing on the roof problem, the hood is no problem anyway and most of the system is kept from getting a heavy buildup of grease, I don't know how many customers you have but if I had to shut down because of a week or two long cold snapp I would never catch up. I don't have to deal with temps at that extreme, if so only a night or two, so maybe I'm not the person to ask, just my 2 cents
 
Thank you

I thank you guys very much for your input. Yea I know most things about winterizing the PW I was just wondering when other people called it to cold. I know I will have to take safty first. I have a good client base. I had booked most before it got cold and the next cleaning will be closer to spring. So that will help me a bunch.But I still have a few here and there to do though out this winter. Let me tell you that I am very close to the town that use to or still might be the coldest town in Colorado. It getts really really cold down here. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!:cool: Thanks for your input and remeber stay cool guys.Brrrrrr!
 
I don't know when it is too cold. Coldest temperature I cleaned in was 4 above zero, on a metal roof. The fan was within reach of the ladder, so I did not step on the roof. On metal, go on teh ladder with hot water in the hose, hose off the roof w/hot water. Then let the roof dry. Keep an eye on the roof surface, when it gets icy, use hot water again. Always work above the fan. that way when you slip, you can catch yourself on the fan.. Always wear fall protection when it is slippery. The ground is hardere than you think.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
When? In your opinion is it too cold to clean exhaust systems? I live in a very cold area. I have started to see temps. drop down to 2 above zero. Is that to cold? When do you call it to cold to go out and work. And what do you do if it is. I know you will do it at another time but when? I am sure you can't go weeks saying its to cold to work or can you?Please let me know what you think. :D

Is it Ever
 
Is it Ever

No it's not! But in my area we're reaching -5F in the coldest months of the winter (about 3 months) so I'm trying to do more office work than KEC work by itself... I'm avoiding booking too many jobs during that period of time! I know, I'll probably hear the same thing again; Fire does'nt take vacation, I don't either it's just a matter of scheduling jobs the right way and trying to avoid booking in those very cold months, it's leaving me around 8-9 months to book all the jobs!
 
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