Whats going on in here?

Kory said:
It just comes down to respect!
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Exactly Kory.
If you tell me you dont like me, last thing I do is knock on your door :eek:
There are TWO roof forums here on PWI.
There is NO REASON for us who mutually dislike each other to interact.
No one is BEGGING my enemies to post on my forum.
And, I would suggest that the roof expert forum is doing quite good w/o them.

Not to sound like a broken record, but how many times have you heard Ron saying "Russ or Grant is handling it"
WHY can't he say "I TOLD Chris this was HIS forum to run as he saw fit" and perhaps the calls will stop ?
I can't MAKE people like me, but no one is twisting their arm to come into my forum either.
Bottom Line ?
The Roof Expert Forum is THE most succesful Forum ON PWI search engine wise.
I have brought a LOT to PWI, both in knowledge, and new members.

WHY do I find me defending myself ?

Yet, my enemies can disrupt my forum, change their signatures, then blame me ?

There ARE two roof forums on PWI ya know ?

Ron and Russ, I am ASKING you to honor your deal you made with me, and allow me to police my own forum.
 
Scott Stone said:
Chris, I understand what you are saying, but you, through no fault of your own, were not able to keep the forum under control This is an effort to reduce the nonsense that benefits no one under control. Of course, as always, this is my personal opinion.
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Good point Scott !
BUT, I WAS able to keep it under control, UNTIL that power was taken away from me.
ALL the board admin needed to do is TELL a certain few to stay OUT of my forum.
I
Right Now, I am being SLANDERED on PT State, but am I over there, no.

Yet they can come in my forum, wreak havoc, change signatures and blame it on me, and I get the blame.

Jeez .... :mad:
 
Jon Fife said:
Scott S:

You might kindly clarify your remarks about PTstate so it isn't cast in a negative light; bad threads and posts are not encouraged, and Bob dumps them into another forum where people can continue to act like idiots if they choose, but it isn't viewable to non-members. He made this decision to keep himself from being the judge and jury and having problems like the one being described above. To date, it is the best solution I've seen to dealing with sillyness without being an overbearing force.

I just wanted to point out that you seem to be making a digg at Bob's site, at the least it reads out that way. But I'm sure you wouldn't just throw out an uncalled for barb that has nothing to do with anything in this conversation just for the sake of it, and hopefully you'll affirm that.
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Jon, Baby Got Back :)
Listen, Bob BANNED me from his forum once because someone showed him an arrest record !
I accidentally found this out, and called Bob.
I TOLD him he could talk to my girlfriend of 6 1/2 years anytime he wanted to, and the offer still stands.
He reinstated me, and said he saw where these allegations were not true.
NOW, I have ASKED him to REMOVE this BS from his board.
His answer "
Chris, I dont give a Fuc

THAT is what he told me.

That he moved the thread means nothing, it SHOULD have been ERASED.

Seriously Jon, do you KNOW how many people in the Cleaning Industry have made a mistake or two ?

And WHAT does an argument with my Girl have to do with my ability to clean a roof, or pass on what I know ?

WHAT "purpose" does it solve to display stuff like that about someone ?

HOW does it :benefit: Bob's board ?

So, when Bob ALLOWS that crap to be on his board, please dont be offended when someone fires a shot back ?

I WONDER if Bob KNOWS how many "Criminals" he sells to, LOL

This industry is FULL of recovering and active Alcoholics, and those who have made a mistake, or two, or 25 - IN THE PAST.
 
Russ Spence said:
Here is my suggestion to all in the roof cleaning area , if you dont like it all of you should work together and get this situation worked out it IS OLD ! I clean roofs as well so it effects me too but this board and others are being adversly effected by all this drama, it is very unprofessional and I no longer have the time or energy to baby sit grown men , so that being said this situuation has been discussed BY Ron and myself and this is what I came up with and wow looks like it may have just gotten some attention, if all of you wish for things to be like you want them I suggest you erase the lines you have drawn for yourselves in the sand, quit taking sides and come up with some type of resolution ..... it is real simple ........... WORK IT OUT I have been dealing with this for 3 years now
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Here is a solution Russ, for what it is worth.
Simply TELL those with hidden agendas, or their troublemaking friends to STAY OUT of the roof experts forum ?
Several of us are HAPPY there, and the added Page Rank is GOOD FOR PWI.
Point out I have added a LOT of new members tp PWI.

Hey, my Mom hates my Girl Friend, but Mom dont clean my house, or tuck me in at night anymore!

WHY do these haters of me feel a need to be in my forum anyway ?

Now, IF my forum was not a success, and totally out of control, I could see it.
But it is NOT.

Perhaps LISTEN to the people who hang out there, NOT to those with hateful agendas.
 
I would like to touch on a couple of points individually.

1. One thing that has not been discussed on here and the main reason why this has come to light, is that, through various people, I have learned that one of the Florida guys is blackmailing one of the Admins into kicking Chris out of here, for personal gain and because of a personal vendetta. I have not ever seen this person help or contribute positively to the roof cleaning forums during my time on here. It is bums like this, trying to intimidate others, and who conjure up back room political deals that destroy all orginizations. You should be ashamed of yourself, grow up, be a man, face your competitors face to face and beat them in business, not by stabbing them in the back. If you know who you are and I am off base, let me know. Otherwise I will defend Chris vehemently, until this forum collapses, or you ban me.

2. This site is not the be all, end all to our existence as roof cleaners. If this forum goes under, I will still grow as a company, and continue cleaning roofs. However, for those guys who havent had a website for long, and don't have any seniority with google, this could make or break them. And while trying to destroy Chris, you are destroying dozens of up and commers. This is all being done for the benifit of a few and is not only moraly wrong, it is asinine.

You are right Mr. Karvonen, they do not have to answer to anyone here about the decisions they make, but they should keep in mind, how much this forum helps them grow their businesses also, and allowing this type of petty foolishness, not only hurts us, it hurts them too.

You are also right that we are forming our opinions based on recent conversations, and although we do not know the full history, we have now been brought into this, by the decision to shut us out. This now affects all of us.
 
I'm just wondering if this is really what PWI is all about! No offense to anyone but this sounds like a beauty shop, not PWI. I do realize that I am a NEWBEE but chris has been so helpful along with others, but chris has went out of his way, by calling me and being very patient with my learning of roof cleaning. Since this sight is all about helping each other, I would like to ask a few questions. To all of us NEWBEES I suggest you kinda fill us in what your talking about so we can make our on judgement. It's important to PWI because the youth or NEWBEES WILL BE THE FUTURE OF SIGHTS LIKE THIS ONE! Surely you guy's are smart enough to know that!
 
Scott D. said:
I would like to touch on a couple of points individually.

1. One thing that has not been discussed on here and the main reason why this has come to light, is that, through various people, I have learned that one of the Florida guys is blackmailing one of the Admins into kicking Chris out of here, for personal gain and because of a personal vendetta. I have not ever seen this person help or contribute positively to the roof cleaning forums during my time on here. It is bums like this, trying to intimidate others, and who conjure up back room political deals that destroy all orginizations. You should be ashamed of yourself, grow up, be a man, face your competitors face to face and beat them in business, not by stabbing them in the back. If you know who you are and I am off base, let me know. Otherwise I will defend Chris vehemently, until this forum collapses, or you ban me.

2. This site is not the be all, end all to our existence as roof cleaners. If this forum goes under, I will still grow as a company, and continue cleaning roofs. However, for those guys who havent had a website for long, and don't have any seniority with google, this could make or break them. And while trying to destroy Chris, you are destroying dozens of up and commers. This is all being done for the benifit of a few and is not only moraly wrong, it is asinine.

You are right Mr. Karvonen, they do not have to answer to anyone here about the decisions they make, but they should keep in mind, how much this forum helps them grow their businesses also, and allowing this type of petty foolishness, not only hurts us, it hurts them too.

You are also right that we are forming our opinions based on recent conversations, and although we do not know the full history, we have now been brought into this, by the decision to shut us out. This now affects all of us.
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Mr. Davis both you and Mr.Beerer both seem to think because I show support for Russ' decision that you should make this matter should be about me.It's not,never was and never will be.
You can stand on your soap box all day and beat your chest the fact is Mr.Tucker has played and active roll in the current problems as much as any other roof cleaner in Fl. or nation wide for that matter.He won't admit it and that is certainly his prerogative,but I have been around long enough to know that there is blame on both sides.


I'M STILL A DUCK........................QUACK,QUACK,QUACK
 
Watch out, there's a duck with a baseball bat and a gas can running around the BBS!
 
Scott, you quack me up...:D
 
I for one have not been on this board or any other board for very long. The only person, that has gone above and beyond to help me has been Chris. Just for an example,,, I came home one Sunday night to find an e-mail from Chris saying- What is this? Did you do this? Right away my first thought was "I didn't do anything" Long story short was that Chris, whom I barely new at the time and had never met had posted 2 different ads for me in my name on 2 local advetizing sites. His response to me when questioned was that he wanted to see me succeed andthat he wa going to start helping me. What kind of person goes out of his way to do something like that and mind you, with NO hidden agenda. Chris is one hell of a guy as far as I am concerned and he has helped me a great deal. My web site is much higher in ranking, I am getting more jobs and the thing that matters the most to me is that Chris and I have become GOOD AND TRUE FRIENDS and are not out to screw with one another. People only bow up and start showing their true colors when they are confronted by someone to whom they believe is a threat. Those of you Bowing up and acting like school yard bullies Know who you are and are ruining it for not only the innocent posters on this board but for yourselves as well. NICE JOB! Leave Chris alone, He is no threat to anyone. He is NO GOD, HE DIDN"T invent roof cleaning and as far as I can see he has done nothing but help people on this board and on other boards as well as helping those of you who are trying to bring him down. We all share a common ground here! We are roof cleaners, pressure cleaners, Buisiness owners and most of all just plain people. We have families, friends and relatives. Some of us Have traveled down smoother roads than others but we have all made it to this point and we should be proud of our accomplishments. Everyone reading this please think about this..."Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Sorry this is sooo long! Ron, Russ, Please put things back the way they were before all who have believe in you and this forum board lose out on a very good thing... Thanks For reading...
 
Squirtgun said:
Someone took a long standing joke a lil to seriously Russ.




Hear me quack...letting it roll.QUACK,QUACK,QUACK:D
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IF you recall Squirtgun, Russ didn't think it was a joke back then either, and neither did I.
Nicole was the one you said it in a conversation too.
Where I come from, you dont JOKE about causing physical harm to someone.
THAT is not funny, at ALL.

READ for yourself, SEE if "everyone knew it was just a joke"


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Nothing shocks me anymore Nicole.I may find out I have been talked about and have to make some cross country drives to handle business,but it's all in a days work.
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Apple Roof Cleaning said:
IF you recall Squirtgun, Russ didn't think it was a joke back then either, and neither did I.
Nicole was the one you said it in a conversation too.
Where I come from, you dont JOKE about causing physical harm to someone.
THAT is not funny, at ALL.
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I guess it's no different that riding around shooting holes in competitors chem tanks.
Where I come from you don't damage another persons property and the means by which they make their living to advance your own business.

Divert attention to me all you need to bud.It doesn't change the fact that you have played a role in all this Fl roof cleaning drama.
I'm trying to play a neutral role here as I did on PTState.You attacked me there in the same exact fashion as you are doing here now.



P.S. You need to stop posting my signature and website info in your post.I have not authorized you to do so and ask that you cease and desists now.



QUACK,QUACK,QUACK
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
IF you recall Squirtgun, Russ didn't think it was a joke back then either, and neither did I.
Nicole was the one you said it in a conversation too.
Where I come from, you dint JOKE about causing physical harm to someone.
THAT is not funny, at ALL.

READ for yourself, SEE if "everyone knew it was just a joke"


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Chris, you are making some good points and have some good support about leaving Roof cleaning open. Just you dont have to throw this old BS in there, it only inflames things and even some of your supporters cringe when you bring this old BS into this discussion

Hell Scott and I have been friendly and we have been unfriendly to each other, who cares thats old crap. Bringing this up doesn't show MODERATION

What ever, take the high ground and don't do the little jabs its a better to lead by example

hey you all have a great one
 
Scott D. said:
I would like to touch on a couple of points individually.

1. One thing that has not been discussed on here and the main reason why this has come to light, is that, through various people, I have learned that one of the Florida guys is blackmailing one of the Admins into kicking Chris out of here, for personal gain and because of a personal vendetta. I have not ever seen this person help or contribute positively to the roof cleaning forums during my time on here. It is bums like this, trying to intimidate others, and who conjure up back room political deals that destroy all orginizations. You should be ashamed of yourself, grow up, be a man, face your competitors face to face and beat them in business, not by stabbing them in the back. If you know who you are and I am off base, let me know. Otherwise I will defend Chris vehemently, until this forum collapses, or you ban me.

2. This site is not the be all, end all to our existence as roof cleaners. If this forum goes under, I will still grow as a company, and continue cleaning roofs. However, for those guys who havent had a website for long, and don't have any seniority with google, this could make or break them. And while trying to destroy Chris, you are destroying dozens of up and commers. This is all being done for the benifit of a few and is not only moraly wrong, it is asinine.

You are right Mr. Karvonen, they do not have to answer to anyone here about the decisions they make, but they should keep in mind, how much this forum helps them grow their businesses also, and allowing this type of petty foolishness, not only hurts us, it hurts them too.

You are also right that we are forming our opinions based on recent conversations, and although we do not know the full history, we have now been brought into this, by the decision to shut us out. This now affects all of us.
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Scott where are you getting your info from ? Blackmail ? This is the type of propaganda that I am speaking of , so many lies and BS have been told I dont think anyone knows any more what is up with any of this , but I can clarify obe thing for you , until NOW I have stood silently in the background as Chris Tuckers Friend and watched as this all unfolded , I am not and I repete NOT trying to hurt Chris but this has to stop ! I cant tell someone not to come to a free board but I can take back control of what is lost and I did for the sake of everyone.

Now that being said if you or anyone else has not been around for at least 3 years here you have no real place in this arguement because you only know what you are told, I for one have been here since the thing unfolded , when I joined Don was the man here now its Chris and since I have been here it has been like Tyson / Holifield .... even with the cheap shots (from both sides) both love a good fight and admittedly so !

Instead of argueing with decisions why dont you call each other and come up with a treaty (solution)

Also dont like it , no problem I will be in Tampa in a few days (hopefully) and voice any and all oponions or send me an email and a contact number and I will get to you as soon as I can
 
jlpressure said:
Chris, you are making some good points and have some good support about leaving Roof cleaning open. Just you dont have to throw this old BS in there, it only inflames things and even some of your supporters cringe when you bring this old BS into this discussion

Hell Scott and I have been friendly and we have been unfriendly to each other, who cares thats old crap. Bringing this up doesn't show MODERATION

What ever, take the high ground and don't do the little jabs its a better to lead by example

hey you all have a great one
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Jeff,
You are correct this is old BS.It's only brought up to try and divert attention from the matter at hand.
 
Scott K. - I dont think this issue is about you. I was just responding to your statement about our site relying solely on this forum. I do believe that Chris has his hand in the problems. But the fact is that Chris has helped more people than anyone, and is being stonewalled unfairly.

Russ - My info has come from a few different people, connected to different people involved. Not just from Chris, as most probably assume. I am not trying to spread propaganda, and thats why I asked that if I am off base, then please let me know, because even if my sources are varied, they are from the same side. However, if the info I have is true, then the parties involved know who they are, it wouldnt be hard to figure out.

You can not "tell someone" not to come to the board, but if they are causing a problem, you can Ban them from the board entirely by their IP address. I believe this whole thing is out of control, and will end up doing nothing but hurting everyone as a whole. I also believe that by shutting this board down, you are punishing the wrong people. I know I am not alone. You have made a mistake, and I think in the end it will be realised.
 
The mistake has already been made Scott by allowing this to go on as long as it has , Thank you for your concer , really I do appreciate it but you are right the whole thing is out of control , so just make some calls and see what all of you can work out and bring it to the table (from bots sides)

This is costing me time and money as we speak
 
Russ Spence said:
The mistake has already been made Scott by allowing this to go on as long as it has , Thank you for your concer , really I do appreciate it but you are right the whole thing is out of control , so just make some calls and see what all of you can work out and bring it to the table (from bots sides)

This is costing me time and money as we speak
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What you get a night off or something
 
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