What would our founding fathers do

Tony Shelton said:
Maybe if we were required to sign off on the stupid laws like you have to on association rules the ignorant public would become aware of just how many rights they don't have anymore.
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Iron hand and velvet glove....

Just look at the names of some of the bills that are voted on in congress.....Who wants to vote against a "save puppies and kittens act of 2011" even though it might have 15 pages on restricting people pet rights. Politicians prey on the apathy of the American people.....we lose rights every time the government saves something or someone.
 
Try carrying a concealed weapon on a cross country trip. Within hours you will be a felon somewhere.

Now this really burns my ass !! You go thru the whole procedure of background check both federal and state and you still can only carry in certain states that recognize your CC permit? This really shows the stupidity of this government and their idiocies concerning CC. Are we not Citizens of the "United States" of America? Then why on earth am I only allowed to carry in some states of America.

They are telling me that they only trust that I will do the right thing in some states, and not in others. The stupidity of our governing officials has no boundries, in my book it's either you can carry because you passed all we asked of you or your a felon and you cannot have this right. This is just a Douchbaggish world we live in where Police will get there 2 min late and stand over your body saying poor bastard didn't have a chance. The police are in the news every other day commiting crimes against citizens they are sworn to protect !! I will take my chances and take care of me & my own. We just need someone with balls to stand up to all the bullshit that is spewed out of washington, the 2nd ammendment had no boundries until these useless bureaucratic fools decided they knew better !!!
 
I say vote for Ron Paul this time even if it means Obama gets elected again. Time and time again we play that BS card and vote for some worthless politician like Bob Dole because some genius in the media convinces us that we can't win otherwise.

I think we can win with another four years of Obama. I think the nation as we know it will be destroyed by then and then, just maybe, the next generation will rise up and do something about it.

We're all to fat to do anything anyway. They will be starving.
 
Tony Shelton said:
I say vote for Ron Paul this time even if it means Obama gets elected again. Time and time again we play that BS card and vote for some worthless politician like Bob Dole because some genius in the media convinces us that we can't win otherwise.
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I concur Tony. EVERY vote matters, especially if your guy loses. Next time he will get more respect within his party. Forget the "lesser of two evils", that's short-sighted. It takes time, but this is how the tides turn in a bipartisan republic.

regarding the local law, we have an identical law on the books in Ames. What irks me is that you can have an "irregular" kegger at your house with 100 people (assuming its not too loud), but you can't have 3 people over for small group if its at the same time every week. We have zoning laws in Ames that are kinda iffy too. In most neighborhoods you can't have more than 3 unrelated people living in the same house, no matter how big the house and how much parking there is. A few years ago I found an exception to that law requiring a special use permit based on common religious bonds and we applied for it. The zoning committee tied on their first vote if I remember right, but we got approved on the second vote so we got 5 unrelated guys in a decent 5 bedroom duplex. it was kinda fun learning the ropes of local government along the way. And the debate among the zoning committee was interesting, there was one guy on there that fought against us hard even though the loophole we were using was written in black and white in the city code.
 
I think the base of this case is their are 50 people 2 times a week every week. So yes the city it right. If it was 50 people a few times a year or every once in a while then the family was in the right. It has to do with the fact that they have so meany people so often. No one is stopping them from having friends over. All they need to do is move some ware that it doesn't have such an impact on the residents. Just because they don't complain don't mean its not affecting them.
 
I thought it said "up to" 50. We used to meet in a house,usually 12 to 18 but a few times we had fifty on special occasions. I assumed it was like that from the story.

If 50 are meeting regularly that might be excessive for a private home

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