Top ranked Roof Cleaners on Google

Yes it does Ron, as far a knowledge goes, and SEO as well.
But it would help the posters here FAR more Ron IF this forum was not a page on your personal website.
This mean that every post here is a hit on your personal website www.propowerwash.com
Of course, this is great, for YOU, and your websites SEO.
But is sort of sucks for the posters here, because WTF does roof cleaning in new jersey have to do with cleaning sidewalks and parking garages in Arizona ?
As long as PWI keeps the Propowerwash URL, Google will continue to see it as a part of your own personal website.

I know you meant well Ron when you set up PWI. But, from a overall SEO standpoint, you are hurting this forum by keeping it a part of your own personal website.
Sorry to break the bad news, but see for yourself ?
Do a Google Search for Pressure Washing, or even Pressure Washing Forum ?
Guess what ? PWI is not to be found on the first page of Google!

Now, go do a search for Roof Cleaning, or Roof Cleaning Forum, you will see the RCIA Forum on page one.
This is because when I set up the RCIA, I did not make it a part of my own personal website www.saferoofcleaning.com.
My website is about roof cleaning in Tampa. Had I set up RCIA as a part of my own personal website, it would have been great, for ME.
But it would have screwed things up for our posters, who do not clean roofs in Tampa.

PWI needs it own identity, like www.pressurewashinginstitute.com
Then, do what is called a 301 redirect from the PWI page on your personal website to that URL.
Yes, your personal SEO will suffer, because this forum is responsible for the majority of the hits on your website.
Maybe then, this forum will actually rank for the keywords pressure washing, power washing, etc, etc.
 
As long as guys tell me they get work Chris that all that matters.
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Yes it does Ron, as far a knowledge goes, and SEO as well.
But it would help the posters here FAR more Ron IF this forum was not a page on your personal website.
This mean that every post here is a hit on your personal website www.propowerwash.com
Of course, this is great, for YOU, and your websites SEO.
But is sort of sucks for the posters here, because WTF does roof cleaning in new jersey have to do with cleaning sidewalks and parking garages in Arizona ?
As long as PWI keeps the Propowerwash URL, Google will continue to see it as a part of your own personal website.

I know you meant well Ron when you set up PWI. But, from a overall SEO standpoint, you are hurting this forum by keeping it a part of your own personal website.
Sorry to break the bad news, but see for yourself ?
Do a Google Search for Pressure Washing, or even Pressure Washing Forum ?
Guess what ? PWI is not to be found on the first page of Google!

Now, go do a search for Roof Cleaning, or Roof Cleaning Forum, you will see the RCIA Forum on page one.
This is because when I set up the RCIA, I did not make it a part of my own personal website www.saferoofcleaning.com.
My website is about roof cleaning in Tampa. Had I set up RCIA as a part of my own personal website, it would have been great, for ME.
But it would have screwed things up for our posters, who do not clean roofs in Tampa.

PWI needs it own identity, like www.pressurewashinginstitute.com
Then, do what is called a 301 redirect from the PWI page on your personal website to that URL.
Yes, your personal SEO will suffer, because this forum is responsible for the majority of the hits on your website.
Maybe then, this forum will actually rank for the keywords pressure washing, power washing, etc, etc.
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He is actually correct about the domain name thing, it should have been moved long ago to it's own domain.

I've disproved the multiple (as in hundreds or thousands) forum link myth more than once. I compared one of my top ranked sites with a site one place better and did a full link scan and he had thousands of forum links to my 10 or so. Think about it.....would Google really allow their system to be gamed so easily?

Give me a URL Ron, someone here with a shitload of sig links here....I'll run the link juice check with a competitor in his area with no forum links and email you the results.
 
We are taking care of the Domain Part
Ohio pressure wash said:
He is actually correct about the domain name thing, it should have been moved long ago to it's own domain.

I've disproved the multiple (as in hundreds or thousands) forum link myth more than once. I compared one of my top ranked sites with a site one place better and did a full link scan and he had thousands of forum links to my 10 or so. Think about it.....would Google really allow their system to be gamed so easily?

Give me a URL Ron, someone here with a shitload of sig links here....I'll run the link juice check with a competitor in his area with no forum links and email you the results.
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@OhioPressureWash
I can not quote on this forum, but what I told Ron to do is this. PWI needs it's own domain, separate from being a page on ProPowerWash.com
I told Ron to take the old URL of PWI (http://www.propowerwash.com/board/) and use a 301 redirect on it to re direct all link juice to the URL www.Pressurewashinginstitute.com
I also suggested Ron have a PWI Logo Button made with an anchor text link BACK to PWI to give to all the regular posters here, to get PWI some backlinks from members websites.

LOL, in a good way,,, I read one of your posts where you said I subscribe to the "Church of a million forum links".
In reality, I think forum links are but one part of the SEO Puzzle.
But, they are easy to get, and you cant help but learn something, if you post on several forums.

I do agree with you that a zillion forum links gained too QUICKLY aint worth a shit. However, a zillion forum links, added over many many years, combined with an OLD URL, are cherished by Google.
My website www.saferoofcleaning.com is proof of this.

If you do a search for the top roof cleaning websites, I see many websites on the first and second pages that do have forum links.

As far as gaming the system goes, it is far easier, in Google's eyes, to have just a few high quality links. (these can be bought)
However, to have a zillion forum posts over many many years is much harder to do, and trusted more by Google.

All we can do is speculate on SEO, and Google is always changing the rules.

I noticed you have NO signature links in your signature ? Why ?
 
I noticed you have NO signature links in your signature ? Why ?
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The answer to that would be lengthy and open a huge can of worms. I stopped SEO'ing Cyclone about 2 years ago and it only represents a small percentage of my clicks and sales.
 
As far as gaming the system goes, it is far easier, in Google's eyes, to have just a few high quality links. (these can be bought)
However, to have a zillion forum posts over many many years is much harder to do, and trusted more by Google.
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Then it would be really really easy to game google. All I have to do is find a dozen people with a few thousand forum posts each going back say 5 years.....offer them 20 bucks to edit their sig and add my link and now I have 120,000 aged backlinks.

And before you say that Google would know this and devalue the links, think about the shear size of a database required to snapshot image the entire internet every day for even a year....let alone 5-10 years.

Also, since you agree that a zillion backlinks acquired too quickly are worthless, any value they had (if you are correct) is lost the second you change the sig. There are many articles on backlink building that caution you not to add too many at one time or google will penalize you. If that is the case and the forum backlinks are as valuable as you say, then simply editing your sig would destroy your site's serp. Do you really think Google would want their search algorithms to be flipped so easily? Imagine the uproar that would ensue and the grief they'd get.

If you do a search for the top roof cleaning websites, I see many websites on the first and second pages that do have forum links.
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And some have very few....suggesting that just maybe the sig links have very little impact on SEO.

I'm not saying they are worthless...just that 3000 url.com sig links are probably worth less than a 1 link from a PR2-3 website (not forum).
 
@Cyclone
I agree, some forums are worthless as balls on a priest to post on, as far as SEO goes.
But some Forums are page rank 6 and higher, like Digitalpoint and Warrior forums.
All Forums are not untrusted by Google. The RCIA Forum for example is a page rank 3 Forum, and at the TOP of the search results for a Google Roof Cleaning Search.
My own website www.saferoofcleaning.com is a shining example of the "Church Of Plenty Of Forum Links School" and is always either at the Top of the roof cleaning search results, or close to it.
Every one of our members report vastly improved web site position, just from posting on the RCIA Forum.
But, then again, most of our members are roof cleaners, and are targeting the words roof cleaning.
RCIA is a roof cleaning Dedicated forum, by my design.
I think Google values links from a high page rank Roof Cleaning Relevant forum, more then it does from a general purpose forum, with less page rank.
But any link is better then no link at all, IMHO.
LOL, unless it is a link from a porn site, and even that will not hurt you anymore.
Competitors used to link your website to Porn, to get you thrown out, and it worked, for awhile.
But Google stopped doing that, and instead just devalues the link.
Same with Duplicate Content, it just returns it lower usually then the original content.

There is a website called the way back machine that actually HAS old snapshots of every website imaginable!
Check it out sometime ?
 
My own website www.saferoofcleaning.com is a shining example of the "Church Of Plenty Of Forum Links School" and is always either at the Top of the roof cleaning search results, or close to it.
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OK....if you want to use that example.



First, I did this search with a limit of 250 links from any domain. A full backlink check of almost 4000 backlinks would have taken 9 hours and I really didn't need that many to prove my point.

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#1-#30 are all very good backlinks and it's because they have good "page PR", not many external links and thus pass a lot of juice. Most of these top backlinks are from websites.

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By #55, your link juice is down to .006 and it's because even with a PR3, there are 163 external links. You split link juice with all 163.

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By #432 the page PR is nill and the link juice drops to 0.00, oddly, PWI is also the first forum backlink to show up, giving you a little juice at .001. Also, #454 is the first occurrence of RCIA, note the domain PR3 to the far right and how the page PR is nill and zero link juice is passed.

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These are worthless links so I didn't blur them. Note the high domain PR and yet no juice is passed.

Like I said, I could have scanned 3200 more forum post sig links but since not one passed any real link juice it would have been redundant.

Your site ranks so high because you have 400 websites and blogs passing linkjuice to it....not from forums. The forum pages are basically splitting 0.0 with 50 or so other sig links on the same page.

(Most of the "NA" stuff is where the connection failed, usually due to a login prompt causing that data to timeout. Otherwise the program would stall.)


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@Ohio pressure wash.
There are many of these SEO Tools, and I have received different reports from many of them.
One thing you forgot to add is this, WWW.Saferoofcleaning.com is an OLD URL.
It was number one Google even before I acquired it.
I remember back when I made my very first website, I was told I needed my own URL.
I did safe roof cleaning, and thought the name saferoofcleaning.com sounded cool.
Plus, it was to be had, so I bought it.
I did not realize back when I bought it, that it was the old Google number one roof cleaning website, at one time !
The company in Miami Florida that let it go went out of business.
As soon as I pointed that domain at my website, Google "recognized it as an old friend" and I shot up in ranking nearly every crawl, till I hit number one.
I stayed number one Google, until I made the RCIA Forum.

LOL, my own Forum has kicked my ass out of the number one position, but it is all good.
I clean roofs in Tampa, not in other states. And being number one Google for Roof Cleaning can be a real PITA, because you get a call or 2 a day from people wanting to get into the roof cleaning business.

One day, I would sure love to hear your reasons for NOT having a forum signature link here on PWI.




 
@Ohio pressure wash.
There are many of these SEO Tools, and I have received different reports from many of them.
One thing you forgot to add is this, WWW.Saferoofcleaning.com is an OLD URL.
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We were talking about sig post links. It was my position that "other factors" accounted in your high rank, this would be one of them.


One day, I would sure love to hear your reasons for NOT having a forum signature link here on PWI.
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The main reason is because it's not worth much if anything as a source of boosting PR or SERP rank. Another reason is the cyclone domain is basically too valuable to take down but not worth investing more effort into. I have a much better domains that I'd rather promote.

The Cyclone Pressure Wash homepage has the same PR3 as your saferoofcleaning, same as RCIA landing page, I haven't linked for it or posted with a sig link for some time. I deleted my url from the sig here and deleted several hundred posts on PTstate....those changes are long past the 3-4 month google PR updates and yet I'm still a PR3.....thus I doubt they were my PR source. It's only 5 years old.

Personally, if I were you I wouldn't do what I did, you rank too well to tinker. But....if you ever did kill every sig link I'll wager you'd see no change in either PR or SERP.

Back to Cyclone, It's not being SEO'd at all and it ranks poorly for generic searches, its not the primary source of my calls but still does well enough to keep alive just from the BBB, Angieslist, Google Places revenue. Not only that, I can direct the PR3 juice of the homepage with an outbound link anytime I want. That single link from a highly relevant PR3 would slide more juice than a thousand forum post links.

Most forum pages have a PR- (less than PR0). A PR- has no juice to pass, fails all the rules of link value.
Nothing divided by 100 (outbound links on the same page) = nothing.

How good is the advice that these links help a website? Go to any forum thread or discussion on any forum. Check the Google PageRank (PR) of that forum thread. Almost always the PR of a forum thread is 0. In other words Google places very little importance to the page. Next count the number of links on the page. There is probably at least a 100 links. The links on the page include site navigation links, thread tag links, header and footer links, thread function links, profile links, signature links, etc. When a pages passes link juice through a link, the Google PR is shared by all the links on the page. So the value of anyone link on that page is a PR of 0 divided by at least 100, which means signature links in forums are not much use for getting backlinks to a website that have any value. This does not mean that they are not useful to generate traffic. (http://www.freenice.info/2011/11/22/the-value-of-forum-signature-links/)

There is a way to get a forum thread to have PR and pass link value....It would require the cooperation of the forum owner.
 
You are a very bright guy Ohio pressure wash, nice to talk with someone at, or even beyond my SEO level!
Here is my Theory about Forum Posts, and their factors in the Google algorithm.
I most totally agree with you, forum posts with NON Relevant Content to your keywords are useless.
But, I think Forum Posts backed by relevant content, on a keyword relevant forum, help you more then we might realize.
One friend has a local competitor with a page rank 1 page, Zero Google Backlinks, and NO high page rank links.
In fact all he has going for him is this, he has managed to get himself in about 35 painting contractor directories.
(he paints and pressure washes) and posts on some pressure washing and painting forums.
I have analyzed his success, and he has only relevant forum posts and relevant directories powering his rinky dink website.
His cheap azz website does have a Blog attached to it, and he churns out fresh content every few days.
Go figure ?

Some of these Forums are NO FOLLOW you know ?
RCIA WAS a NO FOLLOW Forum, until I threatened to leave the forum company I use if they did not fix the problem.

In fact, the UAMCC Forum WAS also set for NO FOLLOW, until I saw the problem, and told my friend Russ Spence about it. Russ got it fixed right away.

Here is a little "present" for those reading this thread. It is a Page Rank 7 Blog that is not even in English, LOL

They have near 1000 Google Backlinks as well, and take comments posted in English.
Enjoy my friends!
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Here is a little "present" for those reading this thread. It is a Page Rank 7 Blog that is not even in English, LOL

They have near 1000 Google Backlinks as well, and take comments posted in English.
Enjoy my friends!
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This page, before this post, has 327 links. That's how googlebot see it. That's after subtracting 13 non URL entries (like my email link).

If by chance, this page had a PR2, the juice would be like sharing a 12 ounce beer with 327 people. In reality (it's a PR-), it's an empty can of beer split between 327 people.

You can view any online "linx browser" and get the link count and see a page as googlebot sees it.


The PR7 link (http://cv.uoc.edu/app/blogaula102/102_16_506_02_23964/) you posted is actually a PR- (zilch). All the article pages I seen on there were also PR-
The domain root (http://cv.uoc.edu) is a PR7 but you don't get juice from that page unless you can get a permalink on it. Domain PR doesn't pass juice to a page linked on another page. They could permalink one of their pages like the one you linked from the home page and in 3-4 months it should get juice (PR sculpting). This is why .edu and .gov domain links are so valuable.....they could care less about PR and thus are less likely to sculpt for rank or sell links.

I found a PW'er with 3 total backlinks but had 1 .edu link...he had more link juice from that single link than a competitor had from all his backlinks.
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
You are a very bright guy Ohio pressure wash, nice to talk with someone at, or even beyond my SEO level!
Here is my Theory about Forum Posts, and their factors in the Google algorithm.
I most totally agree with you, forum posts with NON Relevant Content to your keywords are useless.
But, I think Forum Posts backed by relevant content, on a keyword relevant forum, help you more then we might realize.
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You have me beat 85 to 1 on backlinks (6000 to 70). Yet.....I have a PR3 domain also. If your PR is due to your Forum backlinks, where is my PR coming from with no forum links?

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Chris Francis said:
Ok so cyclone if I buy .com, .edu and .gov place them on my website then the .edu and .gov would pull up my .com place also then.
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Not sure what your asking. I suppose it's possible to find a edu or gov domain selling backlinks but I don't suggest buying any backlinks. Also, they don't go on your website, a backlink is your URL link on another website.

I looked at your domain, did a real quick check on links, and visibility. I couldn't pull your website up on page 1 for any areas listed on your website. I don't want to post what I found/recommend. I called you, left a message. Call me before I roll out this morning.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
I see many of the roof cleaning Sites Number one are here
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I see you are "Gravedigging" again Ron :)
It is risky, from an SEO viewpoint, trying to revive these old threads!
IF the revived thread "takes off", and many people put new posts in it, it can be ok.
But, if it does not take off, after you have revived it, here is what happens!
Google sees it as OLD CONTENT
Google is a Vampire, that feeds off Content.
Just as you like fresh food, Google likes FRESH Content, not leftovers!

You try real hard Ron, and I know you Love your Forum.
But it is usually best to start a NEW thread, then it is to revive an old one.
This is why many of the Top Ranked Forums automatically close any thread over 90 days old.
This insures them of a constant supply of fresh new content.

I am subscribed to this thread, and came to give some new roof cleaning related content to this revived thread on PWI.
 
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