Some Wayne Burner Questions

[Christopher]

I have a Landa PGHW 5-3500 with a Honda 20hp engine and general pump TS2021 pump and the Winco generator.

Since the generator is bad, I thought I would test the system to see if I could just use an electric outlet at a facility or my spare generator before I go and spend the money on a new Winco or Voltmaster generator for this skid.

There is no heat.

I have fuel flowing good.

The Fan is turning on.

When trying the screwdriver across the springs, it is arcing good but also arcing down the spring to itself. Someone told me that the insulator could be cracked and that could keep the burner from making hot water.

Flow switch is new and I checked it, it is working properly.

I did not pull out the fuel nozzle and electrodes yet to check them.

Before I go too far, I was wondering what it would take and cost to put a beckett burner on this system, actually a 12 volt burner so I would not need to replace the generator. With the cost of the generator ($300 to $400), shipping and possibly a transformer, electrodes and fuel nozzle I might be better off going to a brand new Beckett 12 volt burner assembly if it would fit/bolt up to the coil housing.

Anyone have a Wayne manual they can email me?

What do you think?

Thanks.

 

[Russ Johnson]

Fuel is flowing from where? The bleeder screw or the pump outlet? Are you getting a mist of raw fuel out the stack?

Get some carburetor or electric contact cleaner and spray the transformer springs and the porcelain around them. Carbon (soot) is an excellent conductor.

How did you test the flow switch? A continuity meter? Is there a thermostat? Fuel solenoid?

It's also possible that the fuel pump is just weak and can't overcome the regulator valve spring tension. Try running it and backing off the adjustment screw.


Here's the page for the manual (3rd one down).
http://www.waynecombustion.com/docu...url=/downloads.aspx?currentpage=0&pagesize=20

 

[RGilliam]

Ive got a extra wayne 12v burner, I think it cost 500-600$

 

[Christopher]

Fuel is flowing from where? The bleeder screw or the pump outlet? Are you getting a mist of raw fuel out the stack?

Get some carburetor or electric contact cleaner and spray the transformer springs and the porcelain around them. Carbon (soot) is an excellent conductor.

How did you test the flow switch? A continuity meter? Is there a thermostat? Fuel solenoid?

It's also possible that the fuel pump is just weak and can't overcome the regulator valve spring tension. Try running it and backing off the adjustment screw.


Here's the page for the manual (3rd one down).
http://www.waynecombustion.com/document_listing.aspx?app=0&id=d910cc9a-efe4-4220-8087-57771858d416&pn=downloads&returnurl=%2fdownloads.aspx%3fcurrentpage%3d0%26pagesize%3d20

I disconnected the tube that connects to the burner, it flows good there so it is making it from the pump.

I used a magnet on the metal tube that goes into the flow switch.

Like I mentioned, I did not look at the fuel nozzle or electrodes, maybe the problem is there after I clean up the ceramic and springs.

What about swapping out the burner to a 12 volt burner instead of buying the new generator and parts for the burner?

Has anyone done this before?

I am just looking for options.

Ron, what would you want for that burner if I could make it work with the rig?

 

[RGilliam]

you can get a new beckett for 500.00. This is a extra one I keep on hand, I may be getting ready to use it on this machine I just bought a few weeks ago. If I was you, id replace the generator if thats whats bad. its going to cost you about the same either way, i dont think the generator is much more than a new burner.

 

[Sirocco Jerry]

I sell a new Beckett burner with our "reliability-upgrades" for $499.
pre-wired, and all.

Before you do ANYthing with 12vDC burners.. make sure your engine has a 15amp or larger charging system to feed it.
If that Honda has the big voltage regulator.. about 4" x 5" sq. .. you're fine.
And you MUST have something larger than a garden tractor (U-1) battery.
Also..
note that the Wayne version requires almost 20 amps (I believe) to run it !!
Beckets are good for heating to 5 or 6 gpm, Waynes can do more.

 

[Paul Kassander]

If your getting fuel to the burner and the transformer is arcing check the carbon tracking like Russ said or the electrodes. They will carbon arc as well. If you are not getting fuel in the chamber your fuel nozzle may be clogged too. If you are getting fuel and it is atomizing properly check the gap on the electrodes they will wear over time and may cause the fuel not to light.