Some shots we did on the last cleaning

Hey George you look familiar. Where you at Nola?
As far as what you said it all makes sense and you would hope thats the way it will be.. This net stuff is at times a train wreck and when you meet some of these guys there much nicer in person.. Some are the same. Ron will call you out in person or the net but alot of others are much different.

My daughters young teacher just this past Sunday lossed her brother who is a student in a nearby school. He committed suicide and what's coming out once again is that he was bullied continously on the net...

Tony Shelton is going to explode when I say this but it's just a matter of time when you will see the net be "Policed". There changing laws as we speak. That's a little over reaching when it comes to us guys but have you heard this yet from anyone that they may sue you for slander on the net?? This is not coming from anyone here towards me because where jokesters but I had this happen to me in the past. I was sent letters via snail mail on seperate occasions by different individuals with the threat that I could be sued.

I think back on that and in person I didn't see it. On the Net I didn't see it either but where not kids.. There world is troubling.

The deciet on the net is unbelievable when you find out the truths... There is a bunch of guys also on the net who are very legit pretty much all thouout like Scott Stone(Sorry Scott to throw your name out) and then there are guys who disappeared years ago that were " Joe know it alls" and they didn't know shizz..

But the bullying is a runaway train wreck that is starting to wreck havic in families just like it now has done to this child who took his life..

Be careful who you trust... On the net.
 
Clean County PW said:
Hey George you look familiar. Where you at Nola?
As far as what you said it all makes sense and you would hope thats the way it will be.. This net stuff is at times a train wreck and when you meet some of these guys there much nicer in person.. Some are the same. Ron will call you out in person or the net but alot of others are much different.

My daughters young teacher just this past Sunday lossed her brother who is a student in a nearby school. He committed suicide and what's coming out once again is that he was bullied continously on the net...

Tony Shelton is going to explode when I say this but it's just a matter of time when you will see the net be "Policed". There changing laws as we speak. That's a little over reaching when it comes to us guys but have you heard this yet from anyone that they may sue you for slander on the net?? This is not coming from anyone here towards me because where jokesters but I had this happen to me in the past. I was sent letters via snail mail on seperate occasions by different individuals with the threat that I could be sued.

I think back on that and in person I didn't see it. On the Net I didn't see it either but where not kids.. There world is troubling.

The deciet on the net is unbelievable when you find out the truths... There is a bunch of guys also on the net who are very legit pretty much all thouout like Scott Stone(Sorry Scott to throw your name out) and then there are guys who disappeared years ago that were " Joe know it alls" and they didn't know shizz..

But the bullying is a runaway train wreck that is starting to wreck havic in families just like it now has done to this child who took his life..

Be careful who you trust... On the net.
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Sure John you are welcome to take my words and use them to serve yourself if you wish. Sorta passive aggressive though and no better than bullying.

You saw me at the Pwna convention, it was one mile from my house this last time.

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outdoorprowash said:
Sure John you are welcome to take my words and use them to serve yourself if you wish. Sorta passive aggressive though and no better than bullying.

You saw me at the Pwna convention, it was one mile from my house this last time.

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Yup my bad. I wrapped in another conversation.. Passive aggressive?? I never heard that. When you come back online George tell me what that means. Is that a real trait? I've been told that I can be aggressive but passive aggressive.. That's interesting. Doesn't sound good.
 
A passive aggressive is ambigious. They do not always say what they mean and use excessive words to say little. They are blaming of others. They never commit any faults but are quick to poin out the faults of others. They feel victimized. They lack anger. They obstuct others. It is important to them that others do not succeed. John, You banned yourself. Please me a man and honor that. You can be a good guy but I don't think you realize how you are being used by others to spread hurt to other contrractors. You banned your self. Be a man of truth and honor that. I think that sometimes you mean well, you just don't know when to stop, before it crosses the line of hurting others. I think the think to keep repeating, your inner mantra, should be "the world does not revolve around me'. Carry on.
 
outdoorprowash said:
It's okay John, just admit you are addicted to PWI.
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Lol.. I watch four shows. shameless,Rescue me(over now), Saturday nite live(for about the first 20 minutes) and the reality show PWI. I think Tony Shelton is the new Snookie. He's taking over the show.... Ron is second banana now..
Uh oh Ron's going to be mad at me for second Tony is the top draw here now.. Or Tony is going to be mad at me for saying anything that doesn't make Ron number one in everything known to man. That's ok.. Tony's is going to carve Rons face in Mount Rushmore to show the world Ronnie da man.... You da man Ronnie.... But Tony is the new ratings star in town(ok just having fun.. Don't sue me or I'll have to give you my bills and ther not the money type...lol
 
outdoorprowash said:
It's okay John, just admit you are addicted to PWI.
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Doug Rucker said:
Close...just take out the P and the W and you got it....
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And for the UAMCC VP who's supposed to be a contractor in a contractor org but has and a school that teaches kids out of his house to be a better contractor for $450 with his new VP hat on, pushes products all over the net and is afraid to take calls from his UAMCC members .. PWI in this VP's case take out the PW and surround the I with L and E and what do you got?? What everyone knows about him since he surface what 2 yrs ago....
I hear he's gathering up contractors only to Houston.. He must be looking to be a street Vendor to sell green degreasers that he tells everyone you can drink it straight.. Scary dude. 3 yrs from now this VP will be long gone and the V dropped from his self appointed title.

You wasting your time trying to drag your members down in your new self appointed position.. So whats your problem with the community bb again? What r u crying about now on a video that didn't include you? What fight are you looking to start again?? And now your dragging Jerry into it for what??
Hey can you get my money back from the UAMCC. I did't pay to have the self appointed UAMCC VP bad mouthing me to anyone who will listen.. Don't think so?? Who's in charge of the ethic committee there in the UAMCC. Common MR VP.. You don't have nothing to hide do you? like being a vendor or was that a distributor? Do you still tell newbies they can drink your green products strait up?? Your a walking mess... Do me a favor and look at all the bylaws you circumvented and then I'll take my money back..

One of your bylaw violations is your treating your fellow members like crap.. And u made it clear that us "lowly" can not contact you via phone.. What are you so afraid of?? If you tell me because you were told I make up stories and you buy into that I will demand any where and everywhere that I want my refund due to conduct unbecoming by a self appointed VP. Also since you as a self appointed VP of my org and your cracking all over the net about my other org once again bad conduct for a VP..

So gather up my $145 and send it back so I can donate it instead of paying a VP to bad mouth my orgs, my friendships, my give backs and spreading lies about some volunteer jobs..

I'll be speaking to your idol Ron to get his input about your actions.
 
John put the Bottle Down
Clean County PW said:
Lol.. I watch four shows. shameless,Rescue me(over now), Saturday nite live(for about the first 20 minutes) and the reality show PWI. I think Tony Shelton is the new Snookie. He's taking over the show.... Ron is second banana now..
Uh oh Ron's going to be mad at me for second Tony is the top draw here now.. Or Tony is going to be mad at me for saying anything that doesn't make Ron number one in everything known to man. That's ok.. Tony's is going to carve Rons face in Mount Rushmore to show the world Ronnie da man.... You da man Ronnie.... But Tony is the new ratings star in town(ok just having fun.. Don't sue me or I'll have to give you my bills and ther not the money type...lol
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John , Please refrain from posting till AM.. Thanks
Clean County PW said:
And for the UAMCC VP who's supposed to be a contractor in a contractor org but has and a school that teaches kids out of his house to be a better contractor for $450 with his new VP hat on, pushes products all over the net and is afraid to take calls from his UAMCC members .. PWI in this VP's case take out the PW and surround the I with L and E and what do you got?? What everyone knows about him since he surface what 2 yrs ago....
I hear he's gathering up contractors only to Houston.. He must be looking to be a street Vendor to sell green degreasers that he tells everyone you can drink it straight.. Scary dude. 3 yrs from now this VP will be long gone and the V dropped from his self appointed title.

You wasting your time trying to drag your members down in your new self appointed position.. So whats your problem with the community bb again? What r u crying about now on a video that didn't include you? What fight are you looking to start again?? And now your dragging Jerry into it for what??
Hey can you get my money back from the UAMCC. I did't pay to have the self appointed UAMCC VP bad mouthing me to anyone who will listen.. Don't think so?? Who's in charge of the ethic committee there in the UAMCC. Common MR VP.. You don't have nothing to hide do you? like being a vendor or was that a distributor? Do you still tell newbies they can drink your green products strait up?? Your a walking mess... Do me a favor and look at all the bylaws you circumvented and then I'll take my money back..

One of your bylaw violations is your treating your fellow members like crap.. And u made it clear that us "lowly" can not contact you via phone.. What are you so afraid of?? If you tell me because you were told I make up stories and you buy into that I will demand any where and everywhere that I want my refund due to conduct unbecoming by a self appointed VP. Also since you as a self appointed VP of my org and your cracking all over the net about my other org once again bad conduct for a VP..

So gather up my $145 and send it back so I can donate it instead of paying a VP to bad mouth my orgs, my friendships, my give backs and spreading lies about some volunteer jobs..

I'll be speaking to your idol Ron to get his input about your actions.
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What my Vita water? Your VP is causing problems Ron.. He can't do anything but I didn't pay for my membership to here him squak all over the net about everything you can think of under the son. Most of us are way to smart to see the damage your VP wishes he can do....
So send me the money. I had enough of him saying stupid things all the Time about other orgs, about people trying to help one another, to now trying to cause Jerry M. To be upset over a video.. Your VP needs to get away. He's embarassing the members.. Not what I paid for.. He needs to go or to apologize to the embarrassments he bringing on to his UAMCC members.

And Ron I don't need a bottle of anything to see what he's doing
 
offdutyfireman said:
A passive aggressive is ambigious. They do not always say what they mean and use excessive words to say little. They are blaming of others. They never commit any faults but are quick to poin out the faults of others. They feel victimized. They lack anger. They obstuct others. It is important to them that others do not succeed. John, You banned yourself. Please me a man and honor that. You can be a good guy but I don't think you realize how you are being used by others to spread hurt to other contrractors. You banned your self. Be a man of truth and honor that. I think that sometimes you mean well, you just don't know when to stop, before it crosses the line of hurting others. I think the think to keep repeating, your inner mantra, should be "the world does not revolve around me'. Carry on.
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Not my fault they lifted my ban. I was on TGS and Ron said I said something so they came thru with there threat..they went against my wishes and brought me back here.. You can thank Ronny boy...
 
Clean County PW said:
Not my fault they lifted my ban. I was on TGS and Ron said I said something so they came thru with there threat..they went against my wishes and brought me back here.. You can thank Ronny boy...
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John your a big boy, I was for a permanent ban. Scott Lifted it, don't thank me.
 
It doesn't matter Ron. Mr VP is easy to spot here and he shows his true colors.. You should have a talk with him to tell him to cool his heels.. He's a sneaky one but he's easy to pick out in a crowd.. And by that you just read his post and watch what he does....

Ask him why for $145 I paid in Dec for this years UAMCC membership without counting all the garbage he says on the net and when he wakes up tomorrow and says "what did i do? i only said spell PWI for John with the letter I" then he's clueless.

Ask the VP why he won't let me call him.. and I paid to have a UAMCC membership and not to be shut out to even place one call to my VP to see why he does what he does.. Go ahead VP..tell the guys here why you won't let me make one call to you where you would pick it up.. Not one..

What's he hiding?
 
John, I will send you $145 today if you will exchange it for a written request to the UAMCC board to relinquish your membership.

I think the direction of the two orgs is polar opposite and you have no interest in advancing the direction the UAMCC is going.

You are passionate and need to put that passion to use with the pw#a.


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John,please accept my sincere apologies for posting that about the "I". I should not have posted that, and understand that this apology is not as UAMCC VP, but as a person. I try to never to attack anyone personally, publicly or privately, and this time I did, and for that I apologize.

Now let me clear up a few things for you:

The School I operate is $400.00 not $450.00. The "Green Degreaser" I sell is rarely if ever bought up at the school. The product is not really something they would use nor do I really want to sell it to them. That's why you don;t really see me pushing it on the net, contrary to what you say. I refer most contractors that want to buy it to Paul Kassander. I do have a few that I sell too but not many.

NO problem with the Community BB. I think I mentioned the other day it is highly Censored, that's all. That's Michael's choice to run his board how he chooses and I respect that. I merely was letting someone know that if you post anything in disagreement over there or question what someone says, it will get edited or pulled. It was not a slam, just a fact. I have had some threads pulled and deleted already there, as have some others.

Not looking to start a fight about the video, I simply posted a question to Nigel about how they did the comparison's. You can go back and look at my post. I don't think I said anything negative or anything that would cause a fight.

No, as UAMCC VP I am not authorized to "get" your money back. And you are right, you did not pay money for me, as VP, to bad mouth you, and for that I do sincerely apologize again.

I have never told anyone that you can drink any product straight up. I would never do that.

About you calling me- John I never said "lowly" people can't call me, I simply said that I prefer communication between you and I to be in print, via PM's. I told you my reasons for that via a PM and since that is a "private message" I will not list it publicly.

I don't "crack" about other org's all over the net John.

Spreading lie's about some volunteer job...be very careful John with that statement, and don't say it again. Lots of things I will take, but being called a liar is not one of them. Don't ever use that statement again unless you have facts to back it up. Which you will not.

Again, man to man, I do sincerely apologize for that post about taking the P & W out and leaving I. That was wrong of me as a person to do, I should not have done that and I ask for your forgiveness.

Doug Rucker
 
Wow! Where did this come from?
 
Doug Rucker said:
John,please accept my sincere apologies for posting that about the "I". I should not have posted that, and understand that this apology is not as UAMCC VP, but as a person. I try to never to attack anyone personally, publicly or privately, and this time I did, and for that I apologize.

Now let me clear up a few things for you:

The School I operate is $400.00 not $450.00. The "Green Degreaser" I sell is rarely if ever bought up at the school. The product is not really something they would use nor do I really want to sell it to them. That's why you don;t really see me pushing it on the net, contrary to what you say. I refer most contractors that want to buy it to Paul Kassander. I do have a few that I sell too but not many.

NO problem with the Community BB. I think I mentioned the other day it is highly Censored, that's all. That's Michael's choice to run his board how he chooses and I respect that. I merely was letting someone know that if you post anything in disagreement over there or question what someone says, it will get edited or pulled. It was not a slam, just a fact. I have had some threads pulled and deleted already there, as have some others.

Not looking to start a fight about the video, I simply posted a question to Nigel about how they did the comparison's. You can go back and look at my post. I don't think I said anything negative or anything that would cause a fight.

No, as UAMCC VP I am not authorized to "get" your money back. And you are right, you did not pay money for me, as VP, to bad mouth you, and for that I do sincerely apologize again.

I have never told anyone that you can drink any product straight up. I would never do that.

About you calling me- John I never said "lowly" people can't call me, I simply said that I prefer communication between you and I to be in print, via PM's. I told you my reasons for that via a PM and since that is a "private message" I will not list it publicly.

I don't "crack" about other org's all over the net John.

Spreading lie's about some volunteer job...be very careful John with that statement, and don't say it again. Lots of things I will take, but being called a liar is not one of them. Don't ever use that statement again unless you have facts to back it up. Which you will not.

Again, man to man, I do sincerely apologize for that post about taking the P & W out and leaving I. That was wrong of me as a person to do, I should not have done that and I ask for your forgiveness.

Doug Rucker
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The thing with the volunteer line is in a different bb where you said Your only hope for this is we don't take away jobs from contractors etc.. Doug I've been around a long time and am very keen to what your basing that around.. And no Its not speculation... But for argument sake Apologies excepted.... This chapter is closed as far as I am concerned..
 
Tony Shelton said:
John, I will send you $145 today if you will exchange it for a written request to the UAMCC board to relinquish your membership.

I think the direction of the two orgs is polar opposite and you have no interest in advancing the direction the UAMCC is going.

You are passionate and need to put that passion to use with the pw#a.


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Thanks Tony..you got a deal... J/k I would never take your hard earned money even though I appreciate the offer. You must be real passionate about the UAMCC to offer me my money back. So I'll take that as a good thing because you must know something positive about the UAMCC or you just have hi hopes. Your right I stopped pushing for the UAMCC the last few months because I got nothing to push for.

Doesn't mean I want them to fail which I don't. I am out of the loop with them but I hope they make it because I believe in being a part of multiple orgs.

Sometimes I think about what Jeff L. Said awhile back which was to just shut the UAMCC down. Robert Hinderliter started the UAMCC and there is a stigma to that and some of these guys want to get as far away from Robert as possible so why continue onwards to make the UAMCC succeed?

Then I think because I know Robert for quite awhile now that he is a visionary in this industry so why not have this org succeed.

What I can't stand is the constant fighting and the finger pointing.

Whenever someone tries to do something positive in this industry they get slammed for it. It makes it seem at times a waste of time to put in any effort for anything unless there is money involved.

This just may the majority mindset here because we are all business people and the majority can't fathom anyone would do anything just out of the kindness of there heart.. So there must be an agenda because that's the way business people are..

I hate that but I never really followed the norm in alot of cases including in my last career but I did OK there as far as earning people's respect.

The business community maybe I have it all wrong. I'm in this business to make money but I don't look to make money off of people that belong to what I belong to. Thats for Vendors and Distrubutors to do which is good for us because they'll discount members which makes them a benefit. I am always thankful to those guys.

But as for being a contractor which is what I am the business community on the most part think I have an agenda that involves money and some are not a part of that so I must be up to no good.

Good luck to you Tony and hopefully if you volunteer to do something positive you don't get jaded by it all.
 
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