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Douglas Hicks
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Who changed the links?
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
JohnB
JohnB
I did it ... I do it all the time .. Ansul, Amerex, Pyro-chem, and the ever loved POS Range Guard....
GEt 65.00 for the inspection per bottle + 12.00 per link
We are
A fire Equipment Company ( 14 years ) exp
Hood Cleaning Company (14 years ) exp
Concrete Cleaning Company ( 2 years ) exp
Captive Aire Dist. (4 years)
Pyro-Chem Dist w/ AFP (6 years )
Badger Dist ( 8 years )
Heiser Sales
Brooks Equipment sale
Approved and Certified DOT
Certified MS FTA
Was a member of NFPA but it is a waste of money..
Insured By Nationwide Fire Insurance company $ 3,000,000
That's about it...
GEt 65.00 for the inspection per bottle + 12.00 per link
We are
A fire Equipment Company ( 14 years ) exp
Hood Cleaning Company (14 years ) exp
Concrete Cleaning Company ( 2 years ) exp
Captive Aire Dist. (4 years)
Pyro-Chem Dist w/ AFP (6 years )
Badger Dist ( 8 years )
Heiser Sales
Brooks Equipment sale
Approved and Certified DOT
Certified MS FTA
Was a member of NFPA but it is a waste of money..
Insured By Nationwide Fire Insurance company $ 3,000,000
That's about it...
JohnB
JohnB
Hey want to freak out.. I Cleaned and Arbys the other night .. The owner wants me to clean but wants this fire equipment comany that has been around like 25 years to do the system inspections.. So iwent and cleaned the hood the tags from this other company said July 2005 ... I looked at the links and they were 1999.. LOL Thats bad.. They were over 3 fryers and to top it off they were 360 degree links... I told the manager and said look I will give you a free inspection this time because your links really need to be changed out because the other company is not doing there job... anyhow the manger says well we will just call them and make sure they come out and change our links... Some people are so stupid.. This other company has been charging for links that they never replace but yet they are not oging to let me do it right for free.... Anyway I called the owner and they are investigating the other 4 stores so I will probably get the account... But Damn 1999.. When was that I can't even remember.. LOL
Douglas Hicks
Member
The reason I asked who changed the links is because they appear to be ML links.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
JohnB
JohnB
Oh OK Thats all I had Left Was ML 450's and 500's .. Didn't mean to be snooty.. Just was tired.. AS USUAL.I have links on order but this has been the major inspect my system month ..
Do you have alot of competition in Oregon ?
What kind of systems do you sell ?
Just Wonderering..
I sell Pyro-Chem and Protex Systems and Badger and Kiddie Fire Extinguishers ,, People in Mississippi like to get by as cheap as possible. LOL
Have a Good Day..
Do you have alot of competition in Oregon ?
What kind of systems do you sell ?
Just Wonderering..
I sell Pyro-Chem and Protex Systems and Badger and Kiddie Fire Extinguishers ,, People in Mississippi like to get by as cheap as possible. LOL
Have a Good Day..
Douglas Hicks
Member
I am just surprised that with your knowledge and experience you would use ML links on an Amerex system.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
JohnB
JohnB
I clean this place every month . I will change them out when I go Back.. But you know they will work .. But for now Money is Money .. $ 400.00 a month..
The Main Systems I sell and Service are Pyro-Chem Systems .. Amerex is to high , Ansul is way to high, and Range Guard is Junk Especially with that new badger control head.. People in Mississippi want it done cheap and fast.. Got to give them what they want..
The detection network uses a pneumatic linear detection device listed by UL for 435 deg. F as a “quick response” device. The detection device incorporates thermal responsive tubing that is pressurized to 70 psi and runs continuously throughout the length of the hood. No cables, conduit, corner pulleys, “S” hooks or fusible links shall be allowed in the Zone Defense detection system.
However the links that were installed with this system when it was new were 360 Degree ML Links.. I did not install this system...
When I change out the links I usually have the right king on hand like the manual says but as luck would have it >>> Well you know... But I feel That most of amerex's manual is a bunch of crap .. Amerex is expensive and they are slowly falling apart....
Tyco is about to run everyone out of business.. and to top it off not only do I sell tyco's Pyro-Chem Systems but now they have simplex grinnell going in and taking all my system accounts...
As far as knowledge goes .. I learn new stuff everyday...
Matter of Fact I have been in the process of designing my own fire suppression system but getting UL and UL 300 is very expensive...
The Main Systems I sell and Service are Pyro-Chem Systems .. Amerex is to high , Ansul is way to high, and Range Guard is Junk Especially with that new badger control head.. People in Mississippi want it done cheap and fast.. Got to give them what they want..
The detection network uses a pneumatic linear detection device listed by UL for 435 deg. F as a “quick response” device. The detection device incorporates thermal responsive tubing that is pressurized to 70 psi and runs continuously throughout the length of the hood. No cables, conduit, corner pulleys, “S” hooks or fusible links shall be allowed in the Zone Defense detection system.
However the links that were installed with this system when it was new were 360 Degree ML Links.. I did not install this system...
When I change out the links I usually have the right king on hand like the manual says but as luck would have it >>> Well you know... But I feel That most of amerex's manual is a bunch of crap .. Amerex is expensive and they are slowly falling apart....
Tyco is about to run everyone out of business.. and to top it off not only do I sell tyco's Pyro-Chem Systems but now they have simplex grinnell going in and taking all my system accounts...
As far as knowledge goes .. I learn new stuff everyday...
Matter of Fact I have been in the process of designing my own fire suppression system but getting UL and UL 300 is very expensive...
Douglas Hicks
Member
The simple fact is that you put the wrong links in the system. K Fusible links & pneumatic tubing are both listed for the Amerex kitchen and industrial system. ML links are not listed for the Amerex Systems. You take a chance on the system firing when ML links are listed. And I do not know what it is to be out of the right fusible links. The 3 vans that do system work carry links, nozzles, seals, cartridges. In my Sprinter van I also have service manuals for the current systems, NFPA Standards, & Oregon Code books.But maybe that is why you need to carry such a large liability insurance. I have installed every thing except General, including Safety First. Each system has had experience w/poor design, such as RG old style heads, the rivet problem w/A+, Ansul Chemical, Kidde small ratchet teeth. I like the new Badger/RG head, easy to install, easy to service, but it is expensive. But Amerex is up front about the only 2 problems they have had w/their systems. You complain about Simplex-Grinnell, yet you support them by purchasing Pyro Chem?
You complain of your customers wanting only cheap service is no different than any place else. I have chosen to offer only the best in service and supplies. I am more expensive than most of my competitors, but am known for offering much better service. We have had customers call us and tell us they are not as concerned about price as they are about quality. We have had pepole wait as long as 6 months before we were able to service there equipment. You will always have those offering to be less expensive. When we lose an account over price, I just thank them for the past business and tell them if they have any questions, to call me. Most of the cheap outfits are not lisenced, bonded, or insured. We have had our name given as an example of a qualified 3rd party service provider by AHJ's. We have a local commercial building inspector ask us questions about fire suppression systems. We are asked to work as far as 400 miles from home because of the quality of our work.We are constantly attending any classes offered. Last week 2 of us drove 400+ miles to Seattle for a 3 day NICET II class for sprinkler service. After the class, we drove 5 hours to the next job. This year We have received an 8 hour classes in fire extinguisher service. The last time I kept track of our classes was in 2003. I attended 60 hours and my lead tech attended 45 hours of education.
We do not offer sprinkler installs, but do hoods, suppression systems, portables, alarm installs, limited appliance repair, water wash repair, emergency/exit light service, exhaust cleaning
When I am tempted to do the type of work you did on that Amerex System, I remember Randy. He & I were shift rounders together. He was junior to me, got laid off and went to Coos Bay. He made Captain, decided to return to the ranks when the City pulled the Captains out of the Union. He was a fine FireFighter, made the Portland Oregon list at one time. You can read about Randy at rfallenbrother.com. I have made the decesion not to have any of my work cause anyone go through his families heartbreak, nor do I ever want to wear that damned black band on my badge again.
You have apparantly made the decision to take the easy way.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
NFPA 0123425
NAFED Member and Certified through their national certification program
OR-FED founding board member
NFSA
Systems certified by Fire Protection Consultants
Amerex Distributor
25 years on the hose, Assistant Chief/Training Officer
You complain of your customers wanting only cheap service is no different than any place else. I have chosen to offer only the best in service and supplies. I am more expensive than most of my competitors, but am known for offering much better service. We have had customers call us and tell us they are not as concerned about price as they are about quality. We have had pepole wait as long as 6 months before we were able to service there equipment. You will always have those offering to be less expensive. When we lose an account over price, I just thank them for the past business and tell them if they have any questions, to call me. Most of the cheap outfits are not lisenced, bonded, or insured. We have had our name given as an example of a qualified 3rd party service provider by AHJ's. We have a local commercial building inspector ask us questions about fire suppression systems. We are asked to work as far as 400 miles from home because of the quality of our work.We are constantly attending any classes offered. Last week 2 of us drove 400+ miles to Seattle for a 3 day NICET II class for sprinkler service. After the class, we drove 5 hours to the next job. This year We have received an 8 hour classes in fire extinguisher service. The last time I kept track of our classes was in 2003. I attended 60 hours and my lead tech attended 45 hours of education.
We do not offer sprinkler installs, but do hoods, suppression systems, portables, alarm installs, limited appliance repair, water wash repair, emergency/exit light service, exhaust cleaning
When I am tempted to do the type of work you did on that Amerex System, I remember Randy. He & I were shift rounders together. He was junior to me, got laid off and went to Coos Bay. He made Captain, decided to return to the ranks when the City pulled the Captains out of the Union. He was a fine FireFighter, made the Portland Oregon list at one time. You can read about Randy at rfallenbrother.com. I have made the decesion not to have any of my work cause anyone go through his families heartbreak, nor do I ever want to wear that damned black band on my badge again.
You have apparantly made the decision to take the easy way.
Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
NFPA 0123425
NAFED Member and Certified through their national certification program
OR-FED founding board member
NFSA
Systems certified by Fire Protection Consultants
Amerex Distributor
25 years on the hose, Assistant Chief/Training Officer
JohnB
JohnB
Got them in today ( but only ordered 100 ) and 50 were backordered
This is what they look like... But if you want the actual photo I will take a pic but that is sort of not really that important...
All and all I never did like those K Links they look sort of cheap... But you know when UL tested something you have to use the same crap that they test with it...... Oh Well ..
Guess I am off to change the links to the right ones tonight .. Before I Go Clean Ruby Tuesday's if the storm decides to stop... Damn Hurricanes...
This is what they look like... But if you want the actual photo I will take a pic but that is sort of not really that important...
All and all I never did like those K Links they look sort of cheap... But you know when UL tested something you have to use the same crap that they test with it...... Oh Well ..
Guess I am off to change the links to the right ones tonight .. Before I Go Clean Ruby Tuesday's if the storm decides to stop... Damn Hurricanes...
