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Przrat

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What is shoddy workmanship? The codes state "bare metal". You come upon a duct that is extensive, running thru ceilings. long runs of horizontal duct with a long finishing vertical rise. Access panels are non existant. A few 90 degree turns. The fan is located on the outside of a 3 story building about 5 feet away from the side of the building. You , the hood cleaner have a pressure washer, vacuum, scrapers, and a 30 foot ladder.
Is doing this job to bare metal something you can accomplish?
Will there be areas you cannot clean. Who is responsible for inaccessibility? ? The installer, the owner, the cleaner? You need a lift to get to the fan. Do you think the owner will pay for a lift? Where do you put the fan after you free it up?
If a cleaner cleans all the accessible areas to bare metal and notifys the owner of the inaccessible areas is that shoddy? What about the cleaner that has equipment that allows him to clean further than the first cleaner. Does he call the first cleaners work shoddy because he has more and better equipment? In many cases shoddy could be a relative term.
Much of the messages here are based on systems that can be cleaned. We tend to shy away from innaccessible duct. Some cleaners like to say they can always clean everything. With basic equipment your ability to clean in often kept to BASIC. There will be areas that one guy can reach and another guy cannot.
 
Przrat said:
With basic equipment your ability to clean in often kept to BASIC. There will be areas that one guy can reach and another guy cannot.
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Stick with the Basic jobs if that is what you are equiped for.

Shoddy would be using lack of tools as an excuse not to clean properly. If you do not have the proper tools for the job, then don't pretend you are doing the job correctly. There are many programs available to make cleaners better.

Informing the customer of inaccessible areas is not shoddy....but taking advantage of and lying to a customer that doesn't know better is. It's really not that complicated.
 
Dear Dod
Please tell us what are the proper tools for the job?

Dear Anthony,
I agree with you.
 
Pretty much every tool you could ever need is represented in the IKECA training manual at www.ikeca.com . There is even a section on access panels if you need some help installing them.

Sometimes the only way to get an exhaust system cleaned is to get a little bit dirty. It seems that the industry is moving more and more away from manual work, and more and more in to having the machines do the work for you. You see this a lot with guys that just want to mark an area inaccessible and call it a night.

The section of NFPA 96 that describes what is easily accessible is much too ambiguous and allows companies to label it as such on a whim. Maybe if these shoddy companies weren't so afraid to get a little bit of grease in their ears, they would find that most areas of an exhaust system are a little more easily accessible then they originally thought.

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Przrat said:
Dear Dod
Please tell us what are the proper tools for the job?
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Dear rat

Proper tools could be any tool that gets the job done. You have your basic tools for basic jobs, and specialized tools for specialized jobs. Still not that hard to understand, would you like pictures? I have plenty.:)
 
another positive, informative post.
Lets see, your basic tools may not be my basic tools which may not be someone elses basic tools. someone in California may have bigger rigs vs someone in NY city. get my drift?
 
I'm all about positive and informative, Positive is actual my middle name....no kidding. If you are bidding on a retaurant that has 5 stories of ductwork with a couple hundred feet of horizontals, and you only have basic KEC tools....200' hose, 28' ladder, etc.... then you do not have he proper tools.....I can see I am going to have to resort to pictures.(this picture statement should be considered a joke, or a "fun" some might call it, please do not take it the wrong way)
 
Here is a photo of a duct spinner attached to a rig that allows the duct spinner to maneuver through horizontal ductwork. The duct spinner can also be detached, and lowered down long vertical ducts to clean them out. The duct spinner comes in sized ranging from 3" around to 24" so there are a variety of these to clean out any size duct.
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Russ S said:
holy cow , Matt needs to grow his hair back on his face in that avitar
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I think that is Matt's sister in that pic.:)

The products below are some of the best on the market, guaranteed to make your cleaning experience much better.

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