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Ron Musgraves said:
Some might say just ban him, we don't ban folks just because we don't agree or dislike them. Some here would like DJ and even Al banned. Making bad choices doesn't mean you can't change, we only hope Al one day would see the mistakes he's made and share them instead of making excuses. We hopes because it would help others not make those mistakes. I only hope Dj only the best, maybe one day when he gets this. He will come back and say. Or maybe he will rub all his success in our face.

Then we can say I made a poor judgement. You bet I will say it , life's to short to hide from your mistakes. You won't learn by not facing them.



Ron Musgraves
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Ron, After you said someone was ringing in and you would call me right back ....what happened??

As far as my mistakes, in my lifetime I have made bunches, but every decision I have ever made has made me the person I am today. No regrets and would do it over again!
My goal in life is not to have a successful business and retire with piles of money.
I have been more than blessed to stay in business for 15 years and I know anyday God can take it away just as easy as he gave it (as we all know).
Because of my beliefs and how I express them upset some folk ....that's ok too...
We are all held accountable including myself and I am good with that.
Your thread is probably going to get derail....sorry bout that wasn't my attention.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
No I simply made a Mistake, I back DJ which apparently he as a Sales person doesn't even realize or was not Aware of. Which sorta seems comical if your a Sales Coach.

All aside DJ is no victim, maybe he will learn. Scott & Tony Have both tried to tell me he's not all that good. I tried to believe one day he would grow. Now I feel guilty because I lead so many to him and Can see they got Poor information. Possibly in my opinion damaging.

I wonder if I offered those I sent opportunity to refund how many there might be?

Let me take it further, we have had so many Conmen here Lately its Crazy. When people get hustled out of there money they are often to afraid to admit they been had.


I know from the recent Chain of events no one Burns the Lead generator unless theres going to possibly be fall out.

Maybe he has gotten poor Feed back and knows, his Old mentor & He parted?????? I thought maybe this was personal growth, maybe there is more to this?

Regardless , my expert Opinion on Sales DJ does not have the stuff to be Coaching any place around me or in association. (HE WAS POLITELY asked to Stop)

This Blog isn't going anyplace. If a person Googles DJ they can see for themselves he is a man who cannot only handle objections but have no real ability to believe in his own Coaching methods of how to over come.

Dialog with me on a Forum...How Dangerous can this be for a PRO coach to answer a few question?


DJ has his Strengths,we all do. Being able to recognizes weaknesses are just as important. If you look Back for as far as time goes here DJ himself is not coachable.
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That brings up a good point Ron, the Las Vegas "show" that the hinderliters and gamble put on........afterwards I had 4 or 5 guys call me asking my opinion of they should ask for their money back but they were afraid to as they knew it would start a lot of drama over on the other site that hinderliter owns along with tgs and they were afraid of getting banned at both sites. I don't know if they ever asked or got their money back.

They were lied to, betrayed and conned to say the least as the show was trying to hype itself up more and more and in the end the guys attending felt let down, were lied to to get money out of their pockets and deceived by the hinderliters and gamble. I told them to do what they felt like doing, if I was lied to, deceived and let down at a show then I would want my money back. There were guys that were expecting to "work" a parking garage cleaning for the event so they would get actual experience and hands on training but the "show" turned out to be much, much less.

You are probably right, there have been events in the past where guys talked to me complaining that they flew into places or drove in to attend besides paying for hotel and some events out there want you to pay to attend besides they charging the vendors so the event can make more money for the people putting on those types of events but were afraid, embarassed or could not get the courage to ask for their money back.

I don't see a problem with asking for your money back if you don't feel like you got a great value for your hard-earned money but there are a lot of people out there that it is hard for them to do. It is a shame when it happens like when contractors tell me about staying at crappy hotels, bad parking issues, hosts and speakers hungover and barely able to talk, starting the event late, wanting to end the event early all because the hosts and speakers don't know when to stop partying at nite and not thinking about the people that flew across the country or drove many hours to attend the event to learn and end up feeling ripped off. Besides not asking for their money back they also have issues with talking about it on the forums as they have seen the bashing that happens on some of the forums out there for speaking your mind, exposing the truth and telling it like how it is.

Ok, enough talking here, back to the original thread, sorry for going off on a tangent.
 
Al Patterson said:
Ron, After you said someone was ringing in and you would call me right back ....what happened??

As far as my mistakes, in my lifetime I have made bunches, but every decision I have ever made has made me the person I am today. No regrets and would do it over again!
My goal in life is not to have a successful business and retire with piles of money.
I have been more than blessed to stay in business for 15 years and I know anyday God can take it away just as easy as he gave it (as we all know).
Because of my beliefs and how I express them upset some folk ....that's ok too...
We are all held accountable including myself and I am good with that.
Your thread is probably going to get derail....sorry bout that wasn't my attention.
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Al I thought maybe you where calling to join the association to possibly help others. I found out you only call me when there's a problem with my postings.

I suppose just like some don't like the way you exercise your agency you have a problem with mine. Sorta ironic!!

You must understand Al I'm not concerned for my perceptions of what people think of me who don't know me.

Here's what I do, I stand up for others when others won't. I call the truth out as I see it. I tolerate less bs as I've gotten older.

I'm comfortable in my own skin.

If others want to leave this place because they don't want to hear the truth. Bye

Dj was respectfully asked not to sell his goods here privately. He continues to do so knowing that the staff here doesn't want his products here. I was the only staff member who liked Dj prior to him saying Scott stone can't sell. I went against the being warned that we all seen poor information being recycled by Dj from past sales gurus not Dj own experiences.

You see Al when you actually sell , you know when someone is not. Just was talking with a Freind the other day.

We just thought a. Guy here could build websites , apparently he can't and took lots of money from others for it. He continues to steal other content to build many sites and still going strong. Should we let him back?

Dj had a choice , to stop go away from promoting here and move on. He chose to post and challenged everyone one here. Again he's a man making his own choices just like you wake up and make yours.

Thanks for calling Al I know it was because you got concerned. Regardless of your concern I know it was concern, more than most have.


Ron Musgraves
www.uamcc.org
 
So because I say I am not going to Fla. (And
Your Association never came up)and that makes it right to purposely be non truthful with me.
Yeah I had a concern and I decided to call you first before I posted anything and because of your actions, I decided to post.
As far as me helping people, most of you don't have a clue because I don't share it.
Besides my idea of helping someone is totally different from yours.
 
Oh the drama.

I don't want or need an apology from DJ. Mainly because I think it would be hollow and insincere.

For the record, I have had a business for 20 plus years that grossed $500k a year, easily with a 50% margin. I was told that business would never be successful if I did not wash on Sunday's. I have been told a lot of things that threatened me, or my business, and yet, I am still here, and my customers are thrilled with my service. As an example, have any of you ever been threatened with having charges filed against you for illegal contracting? In Arizona it is a felony. How about having competitors stalking your employees, and threatening them on the job site? It has been a daily occurrence, At times. People can run me and my business down all they want. I know that as long as I keep working my plan, I am going to be successful.
DJ couldn't sell to my customers. Those sales are a lot more personal than he would believe, and greed would kill him.
 
Al Patterson said:
So because I say I am not going to Fla. (And
Your Association never came up)and that makes it right to purposely be non truthful with me.
Yeah I had a concern and I decided to call you first before I posted anything and because of your actions, I decided to post.
As far as me helping people, most of you don't have a clue because I don't share it.
Besides my idea of helping someone is totally different from yours.
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What about your actions Al?
They are your own, let mine be mine. Try to stop judging , your lost.


Ron Musgraves
www.uamcc.org
 
Scott Stone said:
Oh the drama.

I don't want or need an apology from DJ. Mainly because I think it would be hollow and insincere.

For the record, I have had a business for 20 plus years that grossed $500k a year, easily with a 50% margin. I was told that business would never be successful if I did not wash on Sunday's. I have been told a lot of things that threatened me, or my business, and yet, I am still here, and my customers are thrilled with my service. As an example, have any of you ever been threatened with having charges filed against you for illegal contracting? In Arizona it is a felony. How about having competitors stalking your employees, and threatening them on the job site? It has been a daily occurrence, At times. People can run me and my business down all they want. I know that as long as I keep working my plan, I am going to be successful.
DJ couldn't sell to my customers. Those sales are a lot more personal than he would believe, and greed would kill him.
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I know you don't want one or need one.

That's it, he actually can't sell


Ron Musgraves
www.uamcc.org
 
Scott Stone said:
Oh the drama.

I don't want or need an apology from DJ. Mainly because I think it would be hollow and insincere.

For the record, I have had a business for 20 plus years that grossed $500k a year, easily with a 50% margin. I was told that business would never be successful if I did not wash on Sunday's. I have been told a lot of things that threatened me, or my business, and yet, I am still here, and my customers are thrilled with my service. As an example, have any of you ever been threatened with having charges filed against you for illegal contracting? In Arizona it is a felony. How about having competitors stalking your employees, and threatening them on the job site? It has been a daily occurrence, At times. People can run me and my business down all they want. I know that as long as I keep working my plan, I am going to be successful.
DJ couldn't sell to my customers. Those sales are a lot more personal than he would believe, and greed would kill him.
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....thats how I roll....just saying.
 
DJ Carroll said:
Video 4 of 4 in this series! I appreciate all the PMs and Emails from those of you that are enjoying and finding these videos helpful!

http://youtu.be/Qh3025lG_uQ




ps-Dave Mac: you are spot on my man!
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He certainly is, why the drama Dj?Now everyone knows you been asked by the staff here to stop soliciting you continue.

You should take Dave's advice forget about this place as he suggests. Ignore the place as you have been asked now repeatedly.

This entire staff does not support someone bad mouthing others as you have shown. We are here to assist each other growing our business in a positive light.

I'm sure you won't miss the place. As you truly can't assist or help many here because they are at a level you have not seen.

Respectfully you have been asked privately. Now publicly stop.

Thanks for future cooperation in advance.

Good luck in future endeavors in sales, one day I hope you get it.


Ron Musgraves
www.uamcc.org
 
I'm in the camp that believes that those who can't do, teach. That's not every case of course, but I believe it to be in this case.

I wouldn't take marriage advice from newlyweds, and wouldn't pay for sales training from a baby faced pup who's been in business a grand total of 6 years.
 
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