Ron's Clean crete Photos

Bigboy
I believe you are supposed to sweep up the dirty, (oil soaked powder) and dispose of it, then cover the area with clean powder.
 
Sure glad Ron digitally removed those numbers in front of us before posting. WHEW, if the cops saw this with those numbers we would all be picked up.
 
application

Actually we've had some success with cleaning up both food oil's and grease stains. The application is basically the same, although you may want to pre-treat the stains. Many of our contractors will use mineral spirits, or similar products to loosen up hard stains.

In regards to your other question. I will assume you're talking about parking spaces. As in any site, the application will vary depending on you and the clients desires. There are many times that we will "box" clean a location. In other words we'll treat the stained area more directly and just sweep down the rest of the lane or stall. You can do the entire space but sweeping it down to reduce potential tracking is paramount. Adjusting for color blending is relatively simple and we have specific tints for that use. Simply using a mortar tint is NOT recommended. I know that one of our major clients down here like the box method. This is usually a 4ft by 4ft area being treated directly and the remainder of the stall simply swept clean from dirt and items. It is a personal call on which process and I would highly recommend that consulting with the client would determine which process is best for them. Many drive thru lanes normally will be center laned. leaving the outside area alone as they do not require oil and grease removal. If a lane is really bad we try to convince the client that a full lane cleaning is necessary in the first couple of applications. This will eventually eliminate all the existing stains and allow for a good base to continue servicing that account. The product will stay down for quite a long time. Many accounts (monthly service) actually stay looking clean from month to month and the "whiteness" or more new looking appearance will stay indefinetly.

Hope that helped you in your question. Here's a story and picture at one of the bridges using PaveClean

http://www.newscoast.com/2biz.cfm?ID=47314

You'll notice that they use a centerlane program and are very happy with how the lanes are looking. Any more questions just post or email me!

Paul
 
additional thought

Just thinking here about something said in one of the earlier comments. Just like pressure washing, it takes some time and work to get your PaveClean program fine tuned. Investing in a 20lb bucket and a G-Pad is a small cost and will allow you to work with the product in varying situations and finding your comfort zone in applications. Many times over new contractors will explain that they want to "experiment" with a new and environmentally safe product. Because of the regulations and future laws, it's imperative that your client knows why you are working with PaveClean. By letting them know that you're just starting out with the product will help in testing what is best for all concerned. We will be starting production on a training video and expect this to be completed somewhere in the middle of January 2002. This should be an extremely beneficial training video and will cover many types of applications.

Paul
 
Clean-Crete

Ron,
I agree with your assessment of the product. It is another tool not a be all, end all. If you keep an open mind about these types of products you can occasionally find a good one. We do sell the product and accessories. They are listed in our paper and on our web site http://www.dcs1.com/clean-crete/

Larry
 
Advice for Jim & Paul at clean Crete.

My opinion is that this being a tool in our bag, it seems you would key on the environmental aspects & safeties being a close number two.


I see the necessity this product would be to every place that has parking stalls. Gas stations instead of using kitty litter, which just makes a mess, could use this product.

Lets face it you can’t pressure wash every time someone pulls up and drops oil from and old car. If pave clean were there it would help soak it up. Wonderful and what a liability reducer. Let’s face it most property management or proprietors are looking to reduce liability between washes. What a great service you can offer your customers between pressure washing. I think this product can be sold better and easier as a safety tool for businesses.

New slogan for you guys (reduce your liability between washes)

My only complaint is the price of paveclean, I believe its too high. Maybe larger discounts can be given for bulk purchase?
 
Bigboys Question
hmmmmm if its a asorbent,what happens to the oil it asorbs,does it carry off with rain or wind
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some will wash away and some will blow away.

most will get thrown away.
 
Cost....

Actually you will find that PaveClean is very cost effective! Remember that as you continue to service an account the oil stains and such will be greatly reduced. Combined with the reduced labor time, we have found this program to be less than the cost of pressure washing.

I like the fact of pushing environmental and safety. When we combine that with the saving in time and money it becomes very appealing to both the contractor and the client.

You all must remember that PaveClean is an ADSORBANT as well as an Absorbant. This insures that if resdiues are washed away, they will not be introduced to the environment. Very big key in insuring the environmental issues.

Paul
 
That's interesting, the only names still out there are Ron M and Larry H - the rest have gone to the wind. Is this a tough bizness or what?
 
Im trying to buy some of this type product, but it is hard to find anyone who distributes it. The place I did find that has it only has it in 1 lb containers. Anyone know a good place to order from?
 
Jim said:
First off I would like to introduce myself. I am the guy in Ron's pictures pushing the broom. I did the demo for Ron, Jon, Kendra and Julio in Southern California. (Nice shoes huh!!) I have been in the commercial steam cleaning business for 16 years. In addition we have a products division (PCI Products Company) that sells Pave Clean for the entire Western U.S. as well as industrial absorbent products (www.absorbentsonline.com) and consumer absorbents at (www.cleanupstuff.com). "I thought I'd steak in a little advertising." Let me try to answer some of the concerns here about Pave Clean.

I got involved with Pave Clean because of one reason - environmental regulations. Five years ago I gave up parking structure cleaning (we had 4 to 6 steam cleaning units working most weekends) because I did not want to risk my company to hugh EPA fines and I did not want to invest thousands of dollars in reclamation systems, deal with the equipment headaches and add the additional labor (more headaches) to my payroll which is required if you are doing "zero discharge" work.

My first impression of Pave Clean was similar to most. It only covers up. It took me several months of working with it before I realized it works and the temendous potential there is with a "dry" cleaning process to clean up oil. At present we do thousands of parking stalls on a quarterly bases with Pave Clean.
There is a contracter in some other states who do hundreds of drive up locations each month.

Pave Clean absorbs oil-period. It is real fine like flour so it has more surface to absorb the oil and to get into the pours of the concrete. It can be colored to somewhat match the concrete. With several applications it will draw the oil from the substrate and form a barrior for cleaning up new oil drips. It also covers up the carbon stains. No it will not remove all of the carbon stains completely and neither will pressure washing.

If you look at Jon's pictures in his thread the before picture (#1) side by side with the 5 day later picture (#3) you will see that the wet oil spots above the crack are gone in #3 and the ones you see are on #3 are new drips (they are in a different location). It would be interesting if Jon would now take a photo of the same area before and then pressure wash it using his best chemicals, rotary nozzel, spinner, etc. Then take an after picture and also a 5 day later picture. To do this legally in California Jon would have to hook up, plug the drain on the drive, do the job, collect the water, repack his equipment, dispose of the water and provide the customer with proof he disposed of it legally. I believe the stains will still there, prove me wrong. (Jon I am not picking on you because based upon your comments you see the value of the product but it would be an interesting test for comparison).

To rap this up here are answers to a few questions on this and another board.
DISPOSAL - Dispose of in compliance with local, state and federal regulations. We don't recommend because they vary from location to location. I will tell you there is very little to dispose of. We combine it in 55 gal drums and have it pickup by companies that pick up other absorbent waste from plants. Disposal costs are insignificant.

COVERAGE- Coverage varies based upon amount oil you are cleaning up. You will use more product the first time but less and less each additional cleaning of the area. We used about one eight of pound for the demo (thats what you see being broomed on Ron's photo. On a thousand parking stalls you will use about 500 pounds on the initial cleaning. If doing on a quarterly bases you will use less the half that amount. For monthly drive-ups of a couple of cleanings you will use about 20 pounds per thirty locations with two lanes per location and center stripping them. Note that these are approximate amounts.

WHY DON'T THE DEMO LOOK LIKE THE PHOTOS ON THE DELCO AND PAVE CLEAN SITE? Because I wanted to show how the product attaches to the oil (the solid white spots are that way because that is where the oil is) Remember that this is a product for cleaning up oil. By using more product and doing the entire lane I could make it look like the other photos.

BLEED THROUGH. On initial cleanings you will get bleed through of oil because it is pulling oil from the substrate of the concrete. When we quote cleaning of parking structures, included in the cost is we come back in 7 to 14 days and reapply on stalls that bleed back. You have to let the product work. On real bad locations that haven't been cleaned in years you will continue to get bleed back. If you steam clean a stall or drive up lane and come back the next day you have oil that rises to the top and is wet (and can be slick). With Pave Clean it is not slick. You have to bid with this product just like steam cleaning, you charge more for bigger messes because you need to use more product and time.

Ron, Jon and Kendra answered alot of questions and I thank them for taking the time to see the demo. Please feel free to contact us if there are any other questions. We will also be looking at the board.
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http://www.absorbentsonline.com/

TRAVIS OR jIM
 
Jim Tell us about your other Absorbent Products
Jim said:
First off I would like to introduce myself. I am the guy in Ron's pictures pushing the broom. I did the demo for Ron, Jon, Kendra and Julio in Southern California. (Nice shoes huh!!) I have been in the commercial steam cleaning business for 16 years. In addition we have a products division (PCI Products Company) that sells Pave Clean for the entire Western U.S. as well as industrial absorbent products (www.absorbentsonline.com) and consumer absorbents at (www.cleanupstuff.com). "I thought I'd steak in a little advertising." Let me try to answer some of the concerns here about Pave Clean.

I got involved with Pave Clean because of one reason - environmental regulations. Five years ago I gave up parking structure cleaning (we had 4 to 6 steam cleaning units working most weekends) because I did not want to risk my company to hugh EPA fines and I did not want to invest thousands of dollars in reclamation systems, deal with the equipment headaches and add the additional labor (more headaches) to my payroll which is required if you are doing "zero discharge" work.

My first impression of Pave Clean was similar to most. It only covers up. It took me several months of working with it before I realized it works and the temendous potential there is with a "dry" cleaning process to clean up oil. At present we do thousands of parking stalls on a quarterly bases with Pave Clean.
There is a contracter in some other states who do hundreds of drive up locations each month.

Pave Clean absorbs oil-period. It is real fine like flour so it has more surface to absorb the oil and to get into the pours of the concrete. It can be colored to somewhat match the concrete. With several applications it will draw the oil from the substrate and form a barrior for cleaning up new oil drips. It also covers up the carbon stains. No it will not remove all of the carbon stains completely and neither will pressure washing.

If you look at Jon's pictures in his thread the before picture (#1) side by side with the 5 day later picture (#3) you will see that the wet oil spots above the crack are gone in #3 and the ones you see are on #3 are new drips (they are in a different location). It would be interesting if Jon would now take a photo of the same area before and then pressure wash it using his best chemicals, rotary nozzel, spinner, etc. Then take an after picture and also a 5 day later picture. To do this legally in California Jon would have to hook up, plug the drain on the drive, do the job, collect the water, repack his equipment, dispose of the water and provide the customer with proof he disposed of it legally. I believe the stains will still there, prove me wrong. (Jon I am not picking on you because based upon your comments you see the value of the product but it would be an interesting test for comparison).

To rap this up here are answers to a few questions on this and another board.
DISPOSAL - Dispose of in compliance with local, state and federal regulations. We don't recommend because they vary from location to location. I will tell you there is very little to dispose of. We combine it in 55 gal drums and have it pickup by companies that pick up other absorbent waste from plants. Disposal costs are insignificant.

COVERAGE- Coverage varies based upon amount oil you are cleaning up. You will use more product the first time but less and less each additional cleaning of the area. We used about one eight of pound for the demo (thats what you see being broomed on Ron's photo. On a thousand parking stalls you will use about 500 pounds on the initial cleaning. If doing on a quarterly bases you will use less the half that amount. For monthly drive-ups of a couple of cleanings you will use about 20 pounds per thirty locations with two lanes per location and center stripping them. Note that these are approximate amounts.

WHY DON'T THE DEMO LOOK LIKE THE PHOTOS ON THE DELCO AND PAVE CLEAN SITE? Because I wanted to show how the product attaches to the oil (the solid white spots are that way because that is where the oil is) Remember that this is a product for cleaning up oil. By using more product and doing the entire lane I could make it look like the other photos.

BLEED THROUGH. On initial cleanings you will get bleed through of oil because it is pulling oil from the substrate of the concrete. When we quote cleaning of parking structures, included in the cost is we come back in 7 to 14 days and reapply on stalls that bleed back. You have to let the product work. On real bad locations that haven't been cleaned in years you will continue to get bleed back. If you steam clean a stall or drive up lane and come back the next day you have oil that rises to the top and is wet (and can be slick). With Pave Clean it is not slick. You have to bid with this product just like steam cleaning, you charge more for bigger messes because you need to use more product and time.

Ron, Jon and Kendra answered alot of questions and I thank them for taking the time to see the demo. Please feel free to contact us if there are any other questions. We will also be looking at the board.
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Jim Tell us about your other Absorbent Products
Jim said:
First off I would like to introduce myself. I am the guy in Ron's pictures pushing the broom. I did the demo for Ron, Jon, Kendra and Julio in Southern California. (Nice shoes huh!!) I have been in the commercial steam cleaning business for 16 years. In addition we have a products division (PCI Products Company) that sells Pave Clean for the entire Western U.S. as well as industrial absorbent products (www.absorbentsonline.com) and consumer absorbents at (www.cleanupstuff.com). "I thought I'd steak in a little advertising." Let me try to answer some of the concerns here about Pave Clean.

I got involved with Pave Clean because of one reason - environmental regulations. Five years ago I gave up parking structure cleaning (we had 4 to 6 steam cleaning units working most weekends) because I did not want to risk my company to hugh EPA fines and I did not want to invest thousands of dollars in reclamation systems, deal with the equipment headaches and add the additional labor (more headaches) to my payroll which is required if you are doing "zero discharge" work.

My first impression of Pave Clean was similar to most. It only covers up. It took me several months of working with it before I realized it works and the temendous potential there is with a "dry" cleaning process to clean up oil. At present we do thousands of parking stalls on a quarterly bases with Pave Clean.
There is a contracter in some other states who do hundreds of drive up locations each month.

Pave Clean absorbs oil-period. It is real fine like flour so it has more surface to absorb the oil and to get into the pours of the concrete. It can be colored to somewhat match the concrete. With several applications it will draw the oil from the substrate and form a barrior for cleaning up new oil drips. It also covers up the carbon stains. No it will not remove all of the carbon stains completely and neither will pressure washing.

If you look at Jon's pictures in his thread the before picture (#1) side by side with the 5 day later picture (#3) you will see that the wet oil spots above the crack are gone in #3 and the ones you see are on #3 are new drips (they are in a different location). It would be interesting if Jon would now take a photo of the same area before and then pressure wash it using his best chemicals, rotary nozzel, spinner, etc. Then take an after picture and also a 5 day later picture. To do this legally in California Jon would have to hook up, plug the drain on the drive, do the job, collect the water, repack his equipment, dispose of the water and provide the customer with proof he disposed of it legally. I believe the stains will still there, prove me wrong. (Jon I am not picking on you because based upon your comments you see the value of the product but it would be an interesting test for comparison).

To rap this up here are answers to a few questions on this and another board.
DISPOSAL - Dispose of in compliance with local, state and federal regulations. We don't recommend because they vary from location to location. I will tell you there is very little to dispose of. We combine it in 55 gal drums and have it pickup by companies that pick up other absorbent waste from plants. Disposal costs are insignificant.

COVERAGE- Coverage varies based upon amount oil you are cleaning up. You will use more product the first time but less and less each additional cleaning of the area. We used about one eight of pound for the demo (thats what you see being broomed on Ron's photo. On a thousand parking stalls you will use about 500 pounds on the initial cleaning. If doing on a quarterly bases you will use less the half that amount. For monthly drive-ups of a couple of cleanings you will use about 20 pounds per thirty locations with two lanes per location and center stripping them. Note that these are approximate amounts.

WHY DON'T THE DEMO LOOK LIKE THE PHOTOS ON THE DELCO AND PAVE CLEAN SITE? Because I wanted to show how the product attaches to the oil (the solid white spots are that way because that is where the oil is) Remember that this is a product for cleaning up oil. By using more product and doing the entire lane I could make it look like the other photos.

BLEED THROUGH. On initial cleanings you will get bleed through of oil because it is pulling oil from the substrate of the concrete. When we quote cleaning of parking structures, included in the cost is we come back in 7 to 14 days and reapply on stalls that bleed back. You have to let the product work. On real bad locations that haven't been cleaned in years you will continue to get bleed back. If you steam clean a stall or drive up lane and come back the next day you have oil that rises to the top and is wet (and can be slick). With Pave Clean it is not slick. You have to bid with this product just like steam cleaning, you charge more for bigger messes because you need to use more product and time.

Ron, Jon and Kendra answered alot of questions and I thank them for taking the time to see the demo. Please feel free to contact us if there are any other questions. We will also be looking at the board.
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