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Douglas Hicks

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Any Pyro Chem dealers here? I have been asked for an estimate up-grade a system w/2 of the PCL350 tanks. They are due for pressure test.
1. Are the 3.5 gallon tanks still UL 300 listed?
2. Does the chemical need to be replaced at the HT, or can I re-use the existing chemical?

I would like to send this estimate out tonight, as I am out of town next week and will not have any e-mail access.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
If they hold wet chem and are OK with the manufacturer then they should be allright. As the UL 300 doesnt specify tank make up does it? But does specify a wet chemical with sopanification charecteristics.Is it that you are not supposed to use tanks that held dry chem to hold the new wet chem? Im answering questions with questions,i know.

If its manufactured before November 21, 1994 its obsolete ,correct.

I am only seeing a listing for 3 gallon tanks.
When in doubt-Switch it out-. Sounded good to me.

As far as reusing the chemical isnt it just as easy to charge them with new chem?

Douglas, are you testing us? Hmmmmmm.
 
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You know I never ever joke around.

The building inspector inspected a resturant and noticed the unprotected range and charbroiler. He told them they had 30 days to bring the sytem to code. I understand our name came up in the discussion. They called about 3 weeks ago, but I have been busy and did not get into the resturant until Friday AM. I probably did not look to presentable after being up until 4:00 AM doing an install. But I did brush my teeth and comb my hair in the parking lot.
The 3.5 gallon tanks are listed in the manual dated 9.1.2000 as being UL 300 compliant. The new tanks would require new nozzles, and new piping. I can do the job quicker by using the existing stuff and adding the required nozzles. I did find the requirement to replace the chemical at the HT. I priced out HT, new chemical and valve rebuilds. Then I added $100.00 because the guy lied to me. Actually I added $200.00 because he lied to me 2 times. Then I remembered he does not pay his bills very well. The proposal now reads 50 % down upon acceptance, 25% when starting work and the balance upon completion. I dont' trust the guy, and don't need the work right now, so I added another little bit. We're already behind on hood work, and 2 sprinkler jobs. On the 13th we start another low voltage job. I wish I could find 2 guys to clean hoods and another suppression tech. Or at least people who wanted to work.

And no, we cannot put wet chemical in place of dry chemical. Upgrading to a UL 300 can only be done by changing tank, pipeing and nozzles. The dry chemial did offer some saponification, but not a much as the liquid chemical. The liquid also offers some cooling effect the dry chemical did not. Did you know the appliance coverage was the reason for the upgrade? The duct and plenum coverage stayed the same.

Thanks for the response.

Douglas Hicks
General Fire Equipment Co of Eastern Oregon, Inc
 
Douglas Hicks said:
I wish I could find 2 guys to clean hoods and another suppression tech. Or at least people who wanted to work.
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I have tried using the Bryan method. Hire employee's family members. It has worked well with 2 guys, and backfired with 2 guys. I think the downside to this method is if you get one disgruntled employee, you then have the whole family to deal with.
 
I would sale him new systems . 2 pcl 450's just to be sure ... new everything

total cost for him ( my price) $6800.00 installed.

but if he says he wants to just upgrade and the systems are not ul 300.. I believe this would be pre 1994.. If it is then check with the AHJ.. They usually have the final word.. But I would also inform your customer that it will be questionable as to how long services can be kept up on an older system...If the system was made after 1994 and it is pyro-chem then it is ul 300..

( Pyro-Chem Distributor in Mississippi )
 
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