New Pressure Washing Association

To be honest, I started the LLC and bought the logo and began building a website but I have been slammed with running my own company right now. I plan on getting back to it when things slow down for me. I still plan on doing it, just have to think about a way to make everyone happy and actually contribute to the industry for the better. I don't want everyone to hate this Org like they hate the other Orgs. So I need more time to get things up and running, but the Logo KBK made is AWESOME! I am hoping to have the website finished in September and show everyone then. After that we can start asking people what they want out of the Org and having them help create it from the ground up. I'm trying to think of ways to save everyone $$$ and maybe even make everyone $$$ at the same time.

But I promise I will get it started. Just need some more time. Rome wasn't built in a day.... :thumbup2:
 
I have been in similar positions as Ron and Mike and TY. TY an LLC is already a mistake, you need a 501c-3 or similar to be an org. We tried to do that at RCIA and could not find the amount of signers required to start the org. The big mouths including the president were scared and wanted nothing to do with the liability of starting a non-profit. An LLC is a private business and controlled legally by the owners only. Taking your time though is an excellent idea and I commend your enthusiasm in wanting to start an org. I am interested in your efforts, and want you to know that I support the concept of a contractor run org.

As for the PWNA I have been laughing at their motto of a clear voice for 6 years. That is when I first heard of them 6 years ago. A clear voice?? I have never ever... even when at the shows, even heard that voice much less noticed any clarity to it. I have no idea what the PWNA stands for and I was on their roof cleaning committee. A clear voice would mean that all this kind of mess would never happen. A clear voice should be loud and audible, it should lack convolution, it should be heard. In my 6 years of cleaning I have never heard a customer speak of PWNA. Has my local Dept of the environment has never heard of them? My friends at various chemical manufacturers, testing facilities, and industrial plants have never heard of them. I paid them $250 got a coupon and three emails, a position on a board that never had a meeting and a promise to at least see the cert for roof cleaning before it was written the day before it was handed to Deluxe. I have never seen the cert. When I look at the PWNA I see a teaming mass of worms. An analogy from Frederick Nietzsche he used to describe one who is so confused in their own thoughts as to be a disgusting figure.

I am reminded of that show, the X-files.... The truth is out there..... Question is will it ever be known.
Lots of things happen in this industry and usually the masses do not know the full stories. Usually knowing the full story requires a grown and a sigh to take it in and then the frustration of not really wanting to know it once one does.

These are my opinions and my experiences. Written whole-heartedly with fear of persecution set aside these comments are not meant to insult anyone, just another contractor adding to the tally of experiences the PWNA's clear voice is supposed to represent.

Almost erased it :( Hope it is helpfull
 
apwasher said:
I have been in similar positions as Ron and Mike and TY. TY an LLC is already a mistake, you need a 501c-3 or similar to be an org. We tried to do that at RCIA and could not find the amount of signers required to start the org. The big mouths including the president were scared and wanted nothing to do with the liability of starting a non-profit. An LLC is a private business and controlled legally by the owners only. Taking your time though is an excellent idea and I commend your enthusiasm in wanting to start an org. I am interested in your efforts, and want you to know that I support the concept of a contractor run org.

As for the PWNA I have been laughing at their motto of a clear voice for 6 years. That is when I first heard of them 6 years ago. A clear voice?? I have never ever... even when at the shows, even heard that voice much less noticed any clarity to it. I have no idea what the PWNA stands for and I was on their roof cleaning committee. A clear voice would mean that all this kind of mess would never happen. A clear voice should be loud and audible, it should lack convolution, it should be heard. In my 6 years of cleaning I have never heard a customer speak of PWNA. Has my local Dept of the environment has never heard of them? My friends at various chemical manufacturers, testing facilities, and industrial plants have never heard of them. I paid them $250 got a coupon and three emails, a position on a board that never had a meeting and a promise to at least see the cert for roof cleaning before it was written the day before it was handed to Deluxe. I have never seen the cert. When I look at the PWNA I see a teaming mass of worms. An analogy from Frederick Nietzsche he used to describe one who is so confused in their own thoughts as to be a disgusting figure.

I am reminded of that show, the X-files.... The truth is out there..... Question is will it ever be known.
Lots of things happen in this industry and usually the masses do not know the full stories. Usually knowing the full story requires a grown and a sigh to take it in and then the frustration of not really wanting to know it once one does.

These are my opinions and my experiences. Written whole-heartedly with fear of persecution set aside these comments are not meant to insult anyone, just another contractor adding to the tally of experiences the PWNA's clear voice is supposed to represent.

Almost erased it :( Hope it is helpfull
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I appreciate your voice, input, and support. I looked into a 501c3 and did realize that is how the PWNA is set up. However, I could not find them on the IRS legal website: http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/

I don't know exactly what I want to do with this Org yet... If a 501c3 is the way to go then I will do it. But just because it is a for profit company does not mean I can't make an Operating Agreement or some other legal form that says "X" percentage of the profit will return back into the company for specific purposes. I don't necessarily know if a non profit is the way to go yet. But it possibly can be. I was thinking of making all the contractors who were members money somehow. Don't know exactly how I am going to make all the members money yet but I am brainstorming on some ideas.

I will look more into the benefits and disadvantages of the non-profit before I fully release the Org to the contractors. But I think if I set it up correctly as a for profit and did not get greedy and take advantage of contractors it might make more sense to be a for profit Org.

Like I said, I need more time. But I have not given up.
 
AZ PowerWash Pros said:
But remember I haven't decided on anything yet and everything is just a brainstorm at this point. I want to save contractors money and don't know what route to take to do so. And when I do come up with an idea I will release it to this board and let the people decide.

So please don't attack me... just help me figure it out.
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Ty we are with you when your ready. I say profit org is needed. Anything else will stand for the same loosing models we already have.

I'm so sick and tired of these orgs going no place.

Pwna doesn't show as non profit? Surprise !!!!!

I'll bet you can get and answer from them either clear on the subject.

The Pwna was started by Robert as a marketing machine.

I'll be back to clarify some history behind Pwna Ikeca Ceta . Robert has had issues and been thrown out by some of these along the way. That how the Uamcc started.

This vary issue is why no orgs in this industry have gone anyplace in 20 years.

After 20 years there is no miles stones.

All here that look at this as a pick on Robert it's not. It's simply the facts over the years and why this org has not really served the purpose.

If we want to move forward without baggage then mistakes need not be repeated.

The Pwna or thepwna is not 19 years old. Because this org has changed hands and been dormant on several occasions and pretty sure the legal status and by-laws have changed many time they in my eyes do not qualify as 19 years old. Take away the first 5 or 6 because the people in control are business partners. Count the one year someone else other than original founders ran it. You can count the years from 2000 to 2004 then they fell apart. Laid uncertain for a time period. They ran it for a few more years then they ran it dormant again for around three years. In 2008 it was picked up again by the past president who nearly destroyed the org along with the same guys who originally founded the org. This brings us to the 19 year mark. I personally would say the Pwna is about 2.5 years old after 19 years.
 
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Ron Musgraves said:
Ty we are with you when your ready. I say profit org is needed. Anything else will stand for the same loosing models we already have.

I'm so sick and tired of these orgs going no place.

Pwna doesn't show as non profit? Surprise !!!!!

I'll bet you can get and answer from them either clear on the subject.

The Pwna was started by Robert as a marketing machine.

I'll be back to clarify some history behind Pwna Ikeca Ceta . Robert has had issues and been thrown out by some of these along the way. That how the Uamcc started.
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A for profit ORG is 1000% needed, create an environment where PW's have a voice, a paid voice that speaks for the industry, I just discussed this issue with someone today and they agreed that it is comical that this industry doens not have any lobby power, given all of the issues that currently affect us. And what is coming down the pipeline will certainly knock a bunch out of business.

What is a reasonable amount? I say start at $2500.00, there is a need for the professional contractor to be heard, not just offered discounts to trade shows because they are a member. $2500.00 seems like a small price to pay, compared to being over run by other particular intrest' (manufactures , other cleaning methodology efforts)

And when did for profit become a dirty phrase, we all do this for profit.

I belong to so many orgs and see how they are properly repd', the other orgs freely admit that they are for profit, working for us, the contractor.
 
swrest said:
A for profit ORG is 1000% needed, create an environment where PW's have a voice, a paid voice that speaks for the industry, I just discussed this issue with someone today and they agreed that it is comical that this industry doens not have any lobby power, given all of the issues that currently affect us. And what is coming down the pipeline will certainly knock a bunch out of business.

What is a reasonable amount? I say start at $2500.00, there is a need for the professional contractor to be heard, not just offered discounts to trade shows because they are a member. $2500.00 seems like a small price to pay, compared to being over run by other particular intrest' (manufactures , other cleaning methodology efforts)

And when did for profit become a dirty phrase, we all do this for profit.

I belong to so many orgs and see how they are properly repd', the other orgs freely admit that they are for profit, working for us, the contractor.
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Any org not ready to create a image for contractors is dead from the start. And yes not just say it, do it!!!
 
I think a real org is a great idea, not just some org that likes to talk a lot and not do anything that really helps the contractor.
 
Ron sheds some interesting light on the subject. Joe has a good perspective as well. I have said in the past that an org with paid BOD members would acomplish more. Ron and I have discussed this and an interesting point he brought up was that the money needed to pay a BOD, especially enough to pay retirees or current owners to do this would be very hard if not infeasible to have in the beginning of said orgs life. With that said, a non-profit is capable of paying it's staff. What I fear from a for-profit org is that the industry figures would tear it down based on its ease of manipulation by the owners. There may be a way to make it more solid than I realize as I have not much researched this method of industry building. I am only familiar with the non-profit structures. I would be interested in looking at your plan and spreading it to other leaders in other industries that have succeeded in this effort. I hope you keep with the slow, methodical approach of building a plan.
Also there a lot of larger contractors in pressure cleaning, hydro blasting etc.. that do not join the current orgs or really hang out on the forums and such. Some of them have however joined the IWCA. I think we need more players with more money to help create the lobbying power this industry needs. I think we need to lobby. I feel that if we do not the regulatory powers will come down on us with our pants down. I have seen that if you have standards and approach government bodies before a problem arrises you are more likely to be accepted by those governing powers as a responsible industry and they may just adopt an orgs existing standards as law. Yet if a governing body is approached instead by those that think our industry is harmful it is much harder to prove that we have ways to be responsible. The recent Houston law issue with not using chemicals or hot water is a good example of this in action.
 
AZ PowerWash Pros said:
But remember I haven't decided on anything yet and everything is just a brainstorm at this point. I want to save contractors money and don't know what route to take to do so. And when I do come up with an idea I will release it to this board and let the people decide.

So please don't attack me... just help me figure it out.
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Good luck Ty. Its a draining business to be involved in an org. life because no matter what you do someone somewhere will cut you down so hopefully from what you seen and heard your skin is thick enough to not let any ego maniacs ruin your dream. You may be one of those special types and I only met a very select few who could do this, that can keep your business running at optimum speed while you start getting consumed with the org. life.

Your trying to find a way to benefit many and that shows a testament of your character....but..... and I don't say that loosly...but... be ready when you start making progress for the naysayers who will find something just to get under your skin. Such as your doing it for profit so you can pocket the money, Your doing it as a not for profit so you can have tax shelters and here's the biggest one....your doing it because you have this most likely hidden agenda..etc etc etc.

If you can pull it off then you should get all the recognition that you deserve... but even with that.. the old saying will always ring true. "You can Please some of the people some of the time but you can never please all of the people all of the time"

Stick to your beliefs to what you think is right and have a rock solid business plan intact and then run with it.... it can be done.
 
I'm still excite about this TY
AZ PowerWash Pros said:
Hello to all on PWI. After reading this post on the Grime Scene: http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums...-america-bulletin-board-posts.html#post192244

I have decided to start a pressure washing association of my own. This association will be for power washing contractors and by power washing contractors. Every contractor will have a voice and a decision. I have my people working on a website as we speak! :grin:

I know absolutely nothing about starting an association of this nature but since it is going to be an association of power washers I figure everyone on this board can help make it the association everyone in the industry is waiting for. Since it is obvious the PWNA is letting all of us down.

I hope to have the support of this website and I will keep everyone posted on the status of the association as it develops.

Leave a post if you are interested in helping in any way. If no one responds I will do it on my own. The industry needs a real association where everyone has a voice!

PWI will be the associations right hand man. Coming soon...

Yes, this is an angry post... yes, I am serious.... yes, I have succeeded in everything I have ever committed to in my entire life.
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I am too! Thanks for the support Ron. I am putting the UAMCC on my banner this week for my website. Along side my PWOA logo. I promise I am still working on it VERY SLOWLY, but its coming together...

I am going to make it happen, just not quickly. I have been doing a lot brainstorming and writing down different ideas and looking into different things to help everyone. I am shooting for full launch in 2013. I still got a lot of work ahead.
 
apwasher said:
Ron sheds some interesting light on the subject. Joe has a good perspective as well. I have said in the past that an org with paid BOD members would acomplish more. Ron and I have discussed this and an interesting point he brought up was that the money needed to pay a BOD, especially enough to pay retirees or current owners to do this would be very hard if not infeasible to have in the beginning of said orgs life. With that said, a non-profit is capable of paying it's staff. What I fear from a for-profit org is that the industry figures would tear it down based on its ease of manipulation by the owners. There may be a way to make it more solid than I realize as I have not much researched this method of industry building. I am only familiar with the non-profit structures. I would be interested in looking at your plan and spreading it to other leaders in other industries that have succeeded in this effort. I hope you keep with the slow, methodical approach of building a plan.
Also there a lot of larger contractors in pressure cleaning, hydro blasting etc.. that do not join the current orgs or really hang out on the forums and such. Some of them have however joined the IWCA. I think we need more players with more money to help create the lobbying power this industry needs. I think we need to lobby. I feel that if we do not the regulatory powers will come down on us with our pants down. I have seen that if you have standards and approach government bodies before a problem arrises you are more likely to be accepted by those governing powers as a responsible industry and they may just adopt an orgs existing standards as law. Yet if a governing body is approached instead by those that think our industry is harmful it is much harder to prove that we have ways to be responsible. The recent Houston law issue with not using chemicals or hot water is a good example of this in action.
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The way to do that Bill is to buy shares. If you are a shareholder you have the opportunity to change the BOD who then can change the management. That might be an idea, instead of a membership fee, do that along with buying shares of the for profit org. That way you will not care if it makes a profit, you get part of it.

Maybe there can be one fee for non shareholders to be in the org and a discounted fee for share holders. Either way you will need a monthly or yearly fee to enable you to pay lobbyists.
 
Hows this going ?
AZ PowerWash Pros said:
Hello to all on PWI. After reading this post on the Grime Scene: http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums...-america-bulletin-board-posts.html#post192244

I have decided to start a pressure washing association of my own. This association will be for power washing contractors and by power washing contractors. Every contractor will have a voice and a decision. I have my people working on a website as we speak! :grin:

I know absolutely nothing about starting an association of this nature but since it is going to be an association of power washers I figure everyone on this board can help make it the association everyone in the industry is waiting for. Since it is obvious the PWNA is letting all of us down.

I hope to have the support of this website and I will keep everyone posted on the status of the association as it develops.

Leave a post if you are interested in helping in any way. If no one responds I will do it on my own. The industry needs a real association where everyone has a voice!

PWI will be the associations right hand man. Coming soon...

Yes, this is an angry post... yes, I am serious.... yes, I have succeeded in everything I have ever committed to in my entire life.
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Still working on it Ron, my re-organization of my company slowed it down a bit. But I have created an outline of how I feel it should run and have a bunch of great ideas down on paper. I have purchased VBulletin for the forum aspect of the website and created a wireframe of the design of the website. Still shooting for this year. But possibly early 2014. PWOA will support UAMCC and every other pressure washing Org!

Rome wasn't built in a day! haha Still coming soon...
 
Well I think We have a Pretty good Org Now
AZ PowerWash Pros said:
Hello to all on PWI. After reading this post on the Grime Scene: http://www.thegrimescene.com/forums...-america-bulletin-board-posts.html#post192244

I have decided to start a pressure washing association of my own. This association will be for power washing contractors and by power washing contractors. Every contractor will have a voice and a decision. I have my people working on a website as we speak! :grin:

I know absolutely nothing about starting an association of this nature but since it is going to be an association of power washers I figure everyone on this board can help make it the association everyone in the industry is waiting for. Since it is obvious the PWNA is letting all of us down.

I hope to have the support of this website and I will keep everyone posted on the status of the association as it develops.

Leave a post if you are interested in helping in any way. If no one responds I will do it on my own. The industry needs a real association where everyone has a voice!

PWI will be the associations right hand man. Coming soon...

Yes, this is an angry post... yes, I am serious.... yes, I have succeeded in everything I have ever committed to in my entire life.
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