Need an opinion....please

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Beth & Rod

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A friend needs opionion in order to make a decision....

What if you were working full time and your employer couldn't meet payroll? They were able to make part of payroll, but not all of it, and what you got represented about ...25% of what you SHOULD have gotten?

What would you do....

Seriously.

Beth:mad: :( :confused:
p.s. no, not us, we make payroll just fine, thanks!
 
Beth it depends on several things:

1: Reason company did not meet payroll, lack of funds, customers not paying them as an example.

2: Accounts frozen by IRS auditors.

3. Embezzled funds by bookkeeper?.

4. Company ready to be sold or just sold.

5: Owner ready to file for BK and has taken out most of funds.

6: They are simply short funded and plan to make it up, question then is when.

7: The person who got shorted got caught doing something and agreed to pay it back that way but does not wish to admit it to friends.

8: Person is about to be fired and they are trying to force this person to quit. (if this is the case they will end up with all that pay when the case settles with state dept. of employment).

Other then that I would advise your friend to speak up loud and clear to the payroll department and insist on knowing what is going on. A company that cannot meet payroll is a company about to fold.

Oh and also advise your friend to ASAP contact the start department that deals with employee/employer payroll and things.

I hope your friend gets this fixed very soon, if his/her employer goes belly up it will be pick a number and get lost.

Jon
 
QUIT,
move on, I've worked to many jobs(constuction mainly), too many promises and too many bounced checks, I've been lucky with my own business so far as people paying, I know that may change at some point, but I have a lot of bosses now, and the majority will pay as promised, the rest will go to court.
Gav
 
Beth,

As a veteran of several under-capitalized aviation firms, I can say without doubt, RUN!!! It is very difficult to walk away from a job, especially one you like, but this situation will only get worse with time. My two cents.
 
Since we all run businesses, we can understand how this might happen to that business owner..........however paying your employees is paramount. If this guy is getting behind now, he might never catch up. Or, it might be an isolated incident and never happen again.

I'd probably advise your friend to look for another job, or wait one more paycheck with his current situation (only if he likes the job and can afford it).
 
It is hard to read between the lines as to why. If the reason makes since, I would hold until the next foot hits and then make a move North or South. Big and small companies as you know at times go through these issues. I would tend to mend the relationship rather than destroy it. If one destroys a bridge, he could return and find he is unable to cross.

Take Care

David
 
The company is about to be sold, but the buyer has cold feet and wants another quarter of financials before going to settlement. Meanwhile funding is tight. Market for their product is soft. It's not the first time it has happened. Last time they made salary checks and commission checks were a couple days late. This time they announced "50% pay" which translated into half of your salary none of your commission. (or for some, 25% total pay) They SAY they expect some money by early in the week. This was not aimed at one person, they didn't have the money in the account to pay people. Personally, I think they buyer will back out of the deal. Question is, will they stay afloat long enough to pay people....
 
At the risk of sounding really bad here after what Beth just said they are breaking the law, pure and simple.

Turn them in and file a claim ASAP or your friend will end up with nothing.

And tell your friend to encourge all the other employee's to do the same.

There is NO excuse for allowing this to happen, I would also bet this employer has not paid the Social Sercurity and other taxes as required by law.

If it was me I would point blank ask the owner what is going on and let him know either pay up or be turned in NOW.

Ok now go ahead and tell me I am wrong, that most of you would keep working and think nothing of it, oh we are going to have new owners soon so things will get better.

Yeah sure they will get better for the selling owner as he can always file BK and wash his hands of the whole business.
 
A friend of mine owns a HR firm and told me the same thing. That plain and simple they were breaking the law.
 
After reading more information I would agree with Jon. It is obvious that this company has issues far beyond waiting for a company to pay a receivable.

My brother in-law has a medium size concrete business and he has a issues each payday, because the jobs are so large and his pay reflects the jobs and chases money each payday. Should his employee worry-no. However this other company has core issues that are by forecast and design.

David
 
The place you need to report it is that wage and hour division of the Department of Labor. Not ethat this is a federal agency. In the Fed's opinion the employees come first, then creditors, and finally the owners of the business. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that think that the owners should be the first ones paid. IN my opinion, that is just plain wrong.

And soesn't that company have a line of Credit?? Most places of business do to tide them over in tight times. If not that is another red flag in my opinion. Especially the way most businesses operate. I have one, but I never use it. It is just in case a lot of people are slow pay.

Scott
 
Hello Beth,

It would certainly be a hard decision to leave a company even when paychecks aren't flowing! Lets face it many of us work for the challenge and or other reasons and the paycheck is secondary.

Of course we need to be paid to support our families in the life style that they have grown accustomed to!

Remember in the case of taxes. The employer is doing the employee a service by withholding from their pay the taxes that are owed to various agencies. It is still the employee’s responsibility that the taxes are paid for wages that have been paid.

Bottom line if taxes have not been paid the employee may be required to pay them even though the employer deducted it from their paychecks!

Dave Olson
 
You know you'd think they could meet payroll as soon as funds came in as you said its happen before.

If it was my friend I tell,if you have cold feet and think they are going out,move on but if you think they can pull out of it with your help,go for it,your over 21(hope).

There is a powerwashing company here that has its up and downs for several years,even wrote hot'checks to employee's.They now have 3,4 maybe 5 rigs on the go,even goes to other states as in biding on washing 100's of trucks and trailers or bigger flatwork as in a one time wash.I will say this for the guy he had guts and you couldn't ask for a better person to work for...I didn't think he'd make it...he has two of fleetwashs managers working for him.


Your friend should know wheather he wants to move on or stay and help,can he afford to,has he found or can he get another job now,whats the other employee's doing staying or moving on,does he think they will pull out of it.........its hard to tell a friend what to do when not paying his bills.........I wish him will and luck in whatever he decides to do,,its his money and bills.

hmmm what would I do if it was me hmmmm,hmmmmm will hmmmm I'll be back in a min. I have to go talk to a friend.
 
For those who have not figured it out, it's the company I work for. I'm trying to decide if it is time to jump to See Dirt Run! full time. I've been talking to alot of people, and... well I guess lots of folks are encouraging me to do it.

I've been in this career for, well, since 1988. Long time. But I guess I just can't see it much longer.

I have decided that I will make my final decision on Friday. Meanwhile I have checked with the Md. Dept. of Labor, and have begun to take steps.

Guess I am looking for a little encoragement. I can do this if I jump, right?

Beth:confused:

p.s. wore my See Dirt Run! t-shirt to work Friday. You should have seen my boss's face.....:cool: :D :cool:
 
I didn't realize you was not already fultime see dirt run.Are you saying Rob cann't bring enough beans in to pay you as in jump.If thats the case go buy ya your own powerwasher and lowball his price if he doesn't want to pay ya,men are dat way,not paying what a good woman is worth,most just set in a easy chair with a grin.

If jumping is what your wanting to do,JUMP and do not look back,25 % of nothing is nothing.By wearing your t-shirt to work in a way you done made up your mind "should have seen my boss's face" ..he knows it aNd you know it but he want fire ya,ya'll have to quit and I think thats the hard part isn't it.14 years is along time to walk up to someone and say I quit,its not easy done.Set down and talk to them and tell them your wanting to work with your own business until they get their problem worked out and would like to have a chance in coming back if Rob cann't meet payroll.
 
Beth,

Big things happen in small sizes too!

Yes before you tender your quit notice be sure you have filed all papers with all departments to get all the money owed you.

To quit first might do more harm UNLESS you followed company policy, meaning if it says you must give 2 weeks notice do so, now here is the catch to that notice:

Does company policy say you MUST WORK those two weeks or just tender notice?

Long story behind that one and yes I did it and found a loop hole in a union contract job I had. It only said we had to give 2 week notice, not work the 2 weeks.

Now start making your plans to become the full time President of See Dirt Run, Inc. In the long run you will be glad you did.

Bigboy is right on one thing for sure, do not burn that bridge, leave on good terms as you never know if you might need a job again.


Jon
 
I would never leave them high and dry. I would give two weeks. I just am not sure if I will give notice Friday or not.

Hey, I am working at See Dirt Run! too, evenings and weekends, and I can't stretch much farther. Rod is full time, so are quite a few other people. Rod believes we would grow even more with me there.


Beth
:cool:
 
If you did jump and run it should not effect the moneys owed you. You did the work and are due compensation. I am positive that is the law as well. There are some states that are not right to work states that require two weeks state. It all depends on your location. Arizona is an at will state. That means soemone can walk up to me at any time and quit. I can also let them go at any time with no warning. I don't even have to give them a check until the regular payday. On the two weeks thing, every state is different.

Scott
 
Hi Beth,

My wife would really like to leave her job. She works for a fortune 500 company. Paychecks have always been good. To replace just the health benefits that she receives would cost me $12,000 per year! Unfortunately we still count on her income and I can't afford her in my business! :) Besides she is to small to brush trucks! :rolleyes:

Remember to consider what you will need to replace (benefits) from your current job besides just the pay check.

I left my fulltime job almost 16 years ago (didn't want to take a transfer)(company went bankrupt a couple years later). I enjoy the freedom but money has been tight ever since!

Dave Olson
 
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