Clean County PW
Active member
I enjoyed the popcorn when I read this. I could add alot but whats the point. To much energy being wasted on the negative... I just wish I didn't run out of Popcorn before Tony was done:sarcastic:
My final conclusion on the UAMCC-pressure washing
- Thread starter Tony Shelton
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I enjoyed the popcorn when I read this. I could add alot but whats the point. To much energy being wasted on the negative... I just wish I didn't run out of Popcorn before Tony was done:sarcastic:
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
See Ken, you guys know that Phelps publicly posted a PWer's mugshot on another board. If the guy was arrested for bilking a customer or something industry related, maybe there would be some justification in that. But it was a personal matter that had nothing to do with our industry.
You guys treated it just like you treat everything. Quietly sweep it under the table and hope people quit talking about it.
Good common sense and morality would have the TT standing up and demanding a public apology from Phelps, but sadly Ken, those values like that only exist in print on the UAMCC's webpage. They are not real, just good print to draw in new members and unsuspecting customers. Phelps is a paying member and stands to help bring in more. So he has free reign.
You insinuated that threats and things like that came from this side of the fence. Which side is it more likely to have come from? The UAMCC side that allows the likes of Phelps antics or the other side that could have posted criminal records a long time ago but has always refrained from doing so because it could hurt the industry?
Scott Stone
New member
Uhm, Phelps was not a paying member. He did contribute, but everyone that contributed was entered in a contest, and he won a free membership.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
John, I forgot about you. I think you and Jeff may be in the same boat. You seem like a stand-up guy that just wants the org to work.
Who's counting the beans? Carlos..whos the president Carlos...Who makes all final say? Carlos...
You say the books are open, who does them. Not the treasure...You dont have one. Its Carlos
There is not reason you dont have a real BOD and should be running this truly like a real org.
I want a good org worse than anyone. All our differences aside Jeff these are real questions that should be answered.
Forget about the money I feel was taken. I'm over it, giving it back now wont keep me away from this Org. You say it represents the industry, surprize Im a washer. So its representing me and I'm going to always be there questioning you or anyone else.
There are others that feel the same way, your membership is full of them. Despite what you want to say or believe I know that www.nationalcleaningexpo.com is responsible for 50% of your current members or more.
I often hand delivered dist and members to the Uamcc. Do i regret that? No, the truth of will actually prevail. Sometime in the future it will be handed over to the contractors. Many have called and said they will do the right thing by the industry.
I'm done with the UAMCC for a year, I cannot be involved. Carlos recently called me and asked me to not call him he was done with me. He said I was a joke to the industry and should never be allowed into the Uamcc. Finally this was a remarkable moment for me, he finally showed some leadership. I now understand that he will never allow me to particpate as long as he is involved. Does this upset me? Not really as much as people think. The contractors that I help and meet support my efforts, they have been the strenght to get me thru this mess.
Some have asked me to start another org. I have said from the start I would not start any national org. I may start a regional association of mobile contract cleaners.
Has Carlos done anything to upset me, yes....allow my brothers to run this org you said was for us. Stop the double talk, hand the reins over to the industry like you promised. I will hold you to that promise. This is not threat of harm like you guys always try to twist into. Its a promise to my brothers that if the UAMCC doesnt become what its suppose too Ron Musgraves will be there for all contractors.
The people involved have tried to ruin my character so often and keep coming up short its laughable. They get on the horn calling people spreading crap about me. Its not me being parinoid, its people saying that are the ones spreading the crap. They got caught, they now are exposed.
Its been a long road, I wish the members luck. Hang in there and get what you can. You paid 350.00 and some will spend 2000.00 or even 3000 at the convention. Win a hotwater skid, soak up George Hedley. Jan 1 2010 the org is suppose to become yours.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
How YOU doin?:wave3:
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Doug, I will say that the worng is the way they are running it. They will not listen to the members. most have fear to even say anything. I get calls all the time should I quit? I say no because a promise was made to turn it over in 2010. Why it takes 2 years almost to do this is beyond me?..
Great meeting you, i hope you have a different perception of what I truly about and not what a few here on the net say.
Clean County PW
Active member
Yup Tony you nailed that. I have an iron will to see things thru. I do want the UAMCC to succeed because I see such an upside to that. I know all the stories(Well Most) all the players, who likes what and who thinks they were screwed. Thru it all the UAMCC is moving ahead. Today you may hate what they stand for and who is running what....but next year you may think differently. Alot of us involved do not feel like we've been mislead at all. I was on the very first phone calls to get this org up and running. I have not once felt like I was lied to nor did I feel like any wool was pulled over my eyes.
I went to roundtables and listen to what potential leaders wanted to see the UAMCC do if it gets up and running. Some of these potential leaders have left the industry but there intentions were on the right track.
Its a long journey ahead and when I read what guys like yourself are typing its a little bit disheartening. But either way in my life I dealt with alot. From Jets crashing at where I work to young girls getting killed in car accidents. From Joining the Navy to see the world and then getting stuck in Beirut because the Marines were blown up in there barracks this stuff on the bb's is small potatoes.
I think to keep bringing up such negative stuff when we all know your story over and over is.....disheartning. I guess you feel you are helping others to see the light but in such a negative way is just something I don't practice in doing.
Where you look at "Lets find out whats wrong with the UAMCC" I look at it like "What can I do to help the UAMCC. It's just a different Ideology we have. I am not a man of God but it always amazes me that the people I know that are seem to be the most judgmental of others and they hammer them over and over if they don't like them. Probably the biggest reasons why on this planet there is always some war going on.
Anyway thats it. Not much else I can add except to say I've been friends with Ron for a long time. I supported him years ago when he was getting banned from other boards(Reason why he started this one). I don't take Ron's side on this mess but I do what I can to try and get him back with the UAMCC but rules being what they are it will most likely take Ron a full year to finish out his banishment to possibly get back in...But that is solely up to what Ron wants to do with that.
We have been freinds, I know your attempts to mend the sistuation are because you believe the fence should be healed.
Carlos does not want that and has made it perfectly clear on the last call he made to me. I will not contact Carlos anylonger, he has made it clear he is done with me. He has embarrased me personally for the last time. I will no longer have anything to do with this org until its given back to the brothers of the industry.
I will continue to support the industry from all fronts. Including the UAMCC, I was one of the original members when Carlos and company were org haters. NON supporter as there record of being in this industry to this point shows no support of anything but themselves.
Maybe someone should ask themselves where were all these TT members that have all been in business supposidly over ten years.
Ken Fenner I think used the PWNA logo but was not a members if my memory serves me. Why was Carlos never a member of any of the five orgs prior to the UAMCC if he has been a contractor washer for more than 10 years?
Jeff LeCours finally started networking after I suggested that he get involved with local orgs. Even Jeff never belonged to anything related to the wash industry.
Ron Musgraves has, he will continue to support all contrator org in a positive mode.
Clean County PW
Active member
Hey Ron,
This is the brief history of why and how these guys became sudden leaders in this org..no matter what there experience was. I'll explain it here fast so many others can get a better understanding of how this came to be.
Robert Hindeliter who expends so much energy in whatever it is that he does really didn't have the time of day in a 24 hr day to run the UAMCC. In essense the Org. was dying a slow death. Robert asked many to take the UAMCC and do what they can with it because he truly believes it has the right intentions of being a very good org.
Some of the people he ask were in no specific order were: Beth,Celeste, Matt Johnson, Myself, Brian Penny and Carlos. There were a few other names in there but for now they have slipped my mind since it is after 1am here.
After many calls with many insiders(People with knowledge) we tried to get someone to take this org and make it work. Like I said there were many individuals such as Brian Penny, Coojo Culey, Beth Borrego, John Orr, Myself, Carlos and others trying to get this thing going. Did I forget to mention Tom and Barbara Vogle?? Many names.
As the light at the end of this endless tunnel started to be seen the one man who truly stepped up to the Plate....was Carlos Gonzales. He and luckly for us decided to take on this undaunting task that most just did not want to commit to. So thats what happens. Now Carlos puts together a team of people that he knows and trust which is where you see some guys with only a few years experience. That has no bearing because these MEN decided to sacrifice 100's of hours to do this. So that is where you see why some of these guys with so little experience in this field compared to the 20 year men but and I say this again with a capital B- BUT.... these men that Carlos put together all had unique strengths which was needed to get this show on the road.
So now where here today and these original guys are getting slammed pretty much only on PWI. Its not fair in my mind because of the way they gave so much at the sacrifice of there own personal being.
The he said she said thing is old news. Most people look in the UAMCC still look up to guys like a Scott Stone, Russ Spence and you to Ron. But some of these people are blown away on how you ended up by being banned. There shocked by it when it happen but there were rules that were violated and then the whole shabbang goes down hill because of your many many followers.
I wish you could take a lighter stance with all of this but knowing you all these years when your pissed there is just about no way of calming you down....except for time....and thats what I'm banking on that happens with you because you are an organization group type of person and you can do real well with these orgs....and you know it. But untill you calm down with all of this and let the rules run there course I don't know what else to tell you. But I would ask if you can to stop cracking on these volunteers that don't have the time on the job that fits your standards. Whats more important is that they are trying there best to do what they can and its tough on them when they see a guy like you Ron who is so well known knocking them around day in and day out. Your better then that...and once again you know that.
This is the brief history of why and how these guys became sudden leaders in this org..no matter what there experience was. I'll explain it here fast so many others can get a better understanding of how this came to be.
Robert Hindeliter who expends so much energy in whatever it is that he does really didn't have the time of day in a 24 hr day to run the UAMCC. In essense the Org. was dying a slow death. Robert asked many to take the UAMCC and do what they can with it because he truly believes it has the right intentions of being a very good org.
Some of the people he ask were in no specific order were: Beth,Celeste, Matt Johnson, Myself, Brian Penny and Carlos. There were a few other names in there but for now they have slipped my mind since it is after 1am here.
After many calls with many insiders(People with knowledge) we tried to get someone to take this org and make it work. Like I said there were many individuals such as Brian Penny, Coojo Culey, Beth Borrego, John Orr, Myself, Carlos and others trying to get this thing going. Did I forget to mention Tom and Barbara Vogle?? Many names.
As the light at the end of this endless tunnel started to be seen the one man who truly stepped up to the Plate....was Carlos Gonzales. He and luckly for us decided to take on this undaunting task that most just did not want to commit to. So thats what happens. Now Carlos puts together a team of people that he knows and trust which is where you see some guys with only a few years experience. That has no bearing because these MEN decided to sacrifice 100's of hours to do this. So that is where you see why some of these guys with so little experience in this field compared to the 20 year men but and I say this again with a capital B- BUT.... these men that Carlos put together all had unique strengths which was needed to get this show on the road.
So now where here today and these original guys are getting slammed pretty much only on PWI. Its not fair in my mind because of the way they gave so much at the sacrifice of there own personal being.
The he said she said thing is old news. Most people look in the UAMCC still look up to guys like a Scott Stone, Russ Spence and you to Ron. But some of these people are blown away on how you ended up by being banned. There shocked by it when it happen but there were rules that were violated and then the whole shabbang goes down hill because of your many many followers.
I wish you could take a lighter stance with all of this but knowing you all these years when your pissed there is just about no way of calming you down....except for time....and thats what I'm banking on that happens with you because you are an organization group type of person and you can do real well with these orgs....and you know it. But untill you calm down with all of this and let the rules run there course I don't know what else to tell you. But I would ask if you can to stop cracking on these volunteers that don't have the time on the job that fits your standards. Whats more important is that they are trying there best to do what they can and its tough on them when they see a guy like you Ron who is so well known knocking them around day in and day out. Your better then that...and once again you know that.
Clean County PW
Active member
As for Ken Fenner using the PWNA logo back in the day if my memory serves me correctly on that Ken bought into a company that had a PWNA membership that was active. Ken Advertise that his company was a PWNA member and he was right at first but unbenknownst to him at that time his company membership was expiring and then it did expire. Knowing the way things were done back in the day he was never notified so he had no knowledge of this. With that being said he was issued a ceist and desist letter to stop using the PWNA logo in his advertising...which he cooperated in doing.
Ken correct me if I'm wrong about that but if I'm not mistaken I was on the board back then and I felt that Ken should have been notiified of this asap instead of just getting a nasty letter from a man who no longer is there.
Ken correct me if I'm wrong about that but if I'm not mistaken I was on the board back then and I felt that Ken should have been notiified of this asap instead of just getting a nasty letter from a man who no longer is there.
Clean County PW
Active member
and lastly yes Ron...I do belief the fence should be mended(does that sound right...I'm getting tired). And I did try but I was not part of that vote so I had no input to give to these guys on how your going to fight this tooth and nail. The end of the day our Convention may hurt some because of this but will all be alright. A good friend of mine has pancreatic cancer and his thoughts are with me constently....so why we can't work out this Little rift does have me baffled.
Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
John, if Bill Clinton had just said "I was wrong, and I'm sorry" things would have been a lot different.
Instead he said "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinski"
He didn't change from a man who made a mistake to a man who was a baldfaced liar in that moment. That moment simply revealed who he had been all along.
Its the same thing here John. That's not talking negative, it's simply reporting observations.
Clean County PW
Active member
I hope my posts here dont get moved. I am trying my best to explain this mess. It might be best to give a few other guys the last word then maybe closed this thread and we all just move on.......
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Tony Shelton
BS Detector, Esquire
I hope my posts here dont get moved. I am trying my best to explain this mess. It might be best to give a few other guys the last word then maybe closed this thread and we all just move on.......
This post lasted about 90 seconds on the UAMCC board. They move them quick over there. :clapping::clapping:Go UAMCC moderators:clapping::clapping:
Christopher
Moderator
Maybe these two threads should be combined and made into a "sticky" at the top so they will always be there or until things change for the better.
offdutyfireman
Active member
I don't for the life of me understand the concept of "it's wrong now and the leadership needs to be changed but give it time and it could get better if people joined and weren't negative". It was wrong in the beginning, has questionable leadership, founded on multiple lies and yet we should support it til it gets better. You don't do that with cancer, you attack it as soon as you find it.
Why have a Convention if it will hurt some contractors at the end of the day. Is that a threat/fact/statement. This is the stuff that should scare every indpendent business owner into action to prevent the start of a union that could cripple our income ptotential and independence. I thought for a while that people could see through the union but it has gained momentum for whatever reason, preying on weak, unseasoned new contractors who think they are joining a legtimate org. I digress.
Why have a Convention if it will hurt some contractors at the end of the day. Is that a threat/fact/statement. This is the stuff that should scare every indpendent business owner into action to prevent the start of a union that could cripple our income ptotential and independence. I thought for a while that people could see through the union but it has gained momentum for whatever reason, preying on weak, unseasoned new contractors who think they are joining a legtimate org. I digress.
pressurepros
New member
I know nothing of the sort, Tone. Its not on the UAMCC board is it? I go to three forums and pop in on this one. I've not seen it though I know of its existence from a friend (a non UAMCC friend) Again, you are lumping me into having the same worry and mentality that other people seem to have about gossip and personal interference. Its not me, Tony. I don't how much clearer I can say that. I've heard a hundred things about people that would make the accused jump from this foot to that one trying to explain. Never once has any of that ever passed my lips. I've been on these forum seven+ years and can say confidently there is NO ONE that could stand up and contradict what I just wrote. I do not believe in gossip and rhetoric. I think its mean and its for the weak. No offense meant to anyone.
If twenty things make up who I am as both a person and business person, the UAMCC is number 20. Its an organization I belong to. That's it.
I helped do the grunt work to get it started.
The management of the organization does not consult me on anything.
They do not ask me to vote on anything.
I do not have a free lifetime membership. Though I think we do get some free time for our services. I did not pay this year to be a member.
I'm not a stockholder. I'm not a BOD member. Honestly, I don't even think I am a moderator on the forum anymore. The only difference between the UAMCC and any other organization I belong to is the fact that I know the guys on the current management team and they are all personal friends (some before the UAMCC, some after). I also believe in it and its goals.
That's it, Tony, David, or whoever may believe I have more invested in the org than that. I'm here as me.. just me.. opinionated for better or worse. I've already mentioned I will not explain anything further about the org. That's for the UAMCC board to be answered by the management.
pressurepros
New member
William there are quite a few members that would put your and my combined gross earnings to shame.. good, smart business people. Your twisting John's words and you know it.
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
Blah blah blah, same old weak ass crap from the same old people. Maybe we can get another month or two of pulling up old attack posts about the UAMCC and crap up the PWI BB
The UAMCC will be better & stronger every day
I knew all this crap would start up after Myrtle Beach RT, so predictable you all are
To many of the contractors out here that know me and some of the others that helped put the UAMCC, there's no diabolical plan, The UAMCC crew has worked hard and honestly we are just a bunch of contractors that want to help and move the industry forward. Thats a good thing, no matter how some of the same old paranoid ass contractors feel
You all have a nice DAY. GO UAMCC
The UAMCC will be better & stronger every day
I knew all this crap would start up after Myrtle Beach RT, so predictable you all are
To many of the contractors out here that know me and some of the others that helped put the UAMCC, there's no diabolical plan, The UAMCC crew has worked hard and honestly we are just a bunch of contractors that want to help and move the industry forward. Thats a good thing, no matter how some of the same old paranoid ass contractors feel
You all have a nice DAY. GO UAMCC