Longer hose(s)

Hose on Reel vs. QC'd Hoses

Look at this by Pressure drop .. AKA.. "The jobsite tells you what you need"..

When Most jobs are within 100-150 feet, but convenience wants another 150 feet of opportunity..
example: 7gpm 4000 psi.
.. is going to drop to about 3600psi through 3/8"ID hose.. in 300 ft.
With a bunch of fittings and QC's inbetween.. only 3500psi in 250 feet,
..and flow rate is dropping.. that's rinsing action.. AKA.. WorkSpeed.

I suggest this.. 125ft of 3/8" on a reel,
..to get 3800psi for most jobs and demos. add 100 ft and still have 3700 psi at great flow.

if you do long-range blasting all month long..
I suggest this.. 200ft of 1/2" hose on a reel, add a 3/8"x 50ft leader hose if need be..
Bigger hose delivers the HorsePower.. at 3850psi.
add 100 ft. of 3/8", and still get 3700psi at 300 ft, and a manageable hose that delivers.
.. if you have 100ft 1/2".. go the 350 feet with more reliable power than your competition,
.. and paint removing strength, or fast-"flushing" flow.

If you have larger than 7gpm... use 1/2" hose, or you loose flow with pressure,
and see where inefficient HP wastes a lot of fuel.

If you have all that and need to go 400ft+ ..
200 ft 1/2" on reel, 200ft 1/2" on Hose Reel-Cart, .. and whatever at the wand.

Anyway.. those are combinations I get asked for.

The JobSite tells you what you need,
Your accountant tells you whether it works or not,
and the wear 'n' tear on your shoulders tells you whether it is sustainable. Eh?
 
For most of our flat work, 150' is plenty so we use 2 75' sections with a backup 75'. On the fleet rig, we use 50' sections still and usually only use 2 sections with 1 50' backup on the trailer. I use Legacy hose currently and it holds up pretty good but we are having problems dragging the rubber off down to the bare wire, then it starts to fray and will cut the sh@t out of you!

What hose has the most durable outer cover?
 
Also we only use the black hose and have never had trouble with it leaving black marks.
 
I have 165' of the 1/2" hose on one reel, 200' of 3/8" hose on another reel and 300' of 3/8" hose on another reel. I keep a 150' and a 50' spare on the trailer in case something blows out.

It really sucks when you have to string out a lot of hose to do a job, we had to string out 1250' of pressure hose on an apartment job in 2011 because we could not park next to the building we were washing, too many cars. All my hoses have plugs and couplers on them so we just add more and more and more to get the job done. At the end of the day there are a lot of sections to roll up and tie up then put away then the next day bring most of them out again to do the fun all over again.

Joe Ortiz from Extreme helped me on that job, it was cold and rained some of the days but it paid good.
 
Sirocco Jerry said:
Look at this by Pressure drop .. AKA.. "The jobsite tells you what you need"..

When Most jobs are within 100-150 feet, but convenience wants another 150 feet of opportunity..
example: 7gpm 4000 psi.
.. is going to drop to about 3600psi through 3/8"ID hose.. in 300 ft.
With a bunch of fittings and QC's inbetween.. only 3500psi in 250 feet,
..and flow rate is dropping.. that's rinsing action.. AKA.. WorkSpeed.

I suggest this.. 125ft of 3/8" on a reel,
..to get 3800psi for most jobs and demos. add 100 ft and still have 3700 psi at great flow.

if you do long-range blasting all month long..
I suggest this.. 200ft of 1/2" hose on a reel, add a 3/8"x 50ft leader hose if need be..
Bigger hose delivers the HorsePower.. at 3850psi.
add 100 ft. of 3/8", and still get 3700psi at 300 ft, and a manageable hose that delivers.
.. if you have 100ft 1/2".. go the 350 feet with more reliable power than your competition,
.. and paint removing strength, or fast-"flushing" flow.

If you have larger than 7gpm... use 1/2" hose, or you loose flow with pressure,
and see where inefficient HP wastes a lot of fuel.

If you have all that and need to go 400ft+ ..
200 ft 1/2" on reel, 200ft 1/2" on Hose Reel-Cart, .. and whatever at the wand.

Anyway.. those are combinations I get asked for.

The JobSite tells you what you need,
Your accountant tells you whether it works or not,
and the wear 'n' tear on your shoulders tells you whether it is sustainable. Eh?
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Interesting Jerry......

I run 8 gpm machines. I have a hose reel for each machine with 3/8" r2 hose. Are you saying I will get noticeable improvement in pressure if I use 1/2" hose?
 
Sirocco Jerry said:
Look at this by Pressure drop .. AKA.. "The jobsite tells you what you need"..

When Most jobs are within 100-150 feet, but convenience wants another 150 feet of opportunity..
example: 7gpm 4000 psi.
.. is going to drop to about 3600psi through 3/8"ID hose.. in 300 ft.
With a bunch of fittings and QC's inbetween.. only 3500psi in 250 feet,
..and flow rate is dropping.. that's rinsing action.. AKA.. WorkSpeed.

I suggest this.. 125ft of 3/8" on a reel,
..to get 3800psi for most jobs and demos. add 100 ft and still have 3700 psi at great flow.

if you do long-range blasting all month long..
I suggest this.. 200ft of 1/2" hose on a reel, add a 3/8"x 50ft leader hose if need be..
Bigger hose delivers the HorsePower.. at 3850psi.
add 100 ft. of 3/8", and still get 3700psi at 300 ft, and a manageable hose that delivers.
.. if you have 100ft 1/2".. go the 350 feet with more reliable power than your competition,
.. and paint removing strength, or fast-"flushing" flow.

If you have larger than 7gpm... use 1/2" hose, or you loose flow with pressure,
and see where inefficient HP wastes a lot of fuel.

If you have all that and need to go 400ft+ ..
200 ft 1/2" on reel, 200ft 1/2" on Hose Reel-Cart, .. and whatever at the wand.

Anyway.. those are combinations I get asked for.

The JobSite tells you what you need,
Your accountant tells you whether it works or not,
and the wear 'n' tear on your shoulders tells you whether it is sustainable. Eh?
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I've been meaning to call you on this exact topic.
 
We have 300' of 3/8 on each reel with an extra 100' of backup per machine. That's in 100' sections.

Does anyone else completely bypass their reel? We started doing that and we've also started removing injectors (thanks pwi) when surface cleaning and have noticed a ton of difference.

Depending on the job we may only roll out 100 or 200'.
 
Steven Button said:
Greg Nash from Splash &Dash got me started in bypassing the reel, big pressure difference!
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What's the neatest way to bypass the reel guys, anyone got any tips or is it just a simple disconnect + reconnect every time you roll out?

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cameronqueen said:
What's the neatest way to bypass the reel guys, anyone got any tips or is it just a simple disconnect + reconnect every time you roll out?

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We have just had the whip hose laying behind the reel. I'm about to rebuild equipment and have been considering this.

I'm thinking of hard mounting a 3/8 nipple to the trailer using u bolts just to keep things a little neater.
 
With an oversize swivel I don't think you should need to bypass the reel.
 
Sirocco Jerry said:
Look at this by Pressure drop .. AKA.. "The jobsite tells you what you need"..

When Most jobs are within 100-150 feet, but convenience wants another 150 feet of opportunity..
example: 7gpm 4000 psi.
.. is going to drop to about 3600psi through 3/8"ID hose.. in 300 ft.
With a bunch of fittings and QC's inbetween.. only 3500psi in 250 feet,
..and flow rate is dropping.. that's rinsing action.. AKA.. WorkSpeed.

I suggest this.. 125ft of 3/8" on a reel,
..to get 3800psi for most jobs and demos. add 100 ft and still have 3700 psi at great flow.

if you do long-range blasting all month long..
I suggest this.. 200ft of 1/2" hose on a reel, add a 3/8"x 50ft leader hose if need be..
Bigger hose delivers the HorsePower.. at 3850psi.
add 100 ft. of 3/8", and still get 3700psi at 300 ft, and a manageable hose that delivers.
.. if you have 100ft 1/2".. go the 350 feet with more reliable power than your competition,
.. and paint removing strength, or fast-"flushing" flow.

If you have larger than 7gpm... use 1/2" hose, or you loose flow with pressure,
and see where inefficient HP wastes a lot of fuel.

If you have all that and need to go 400ft+ ..
200 ft 1/2" on reel, 200ft 1/2" on Hose Reel-Cart, .. and whatever at the wand.

Anyway.. those are combinations I get asked for.

The JobSite tells you what you need,
Your accountant tells you whether it works or not,
and the wear 'n' tear on your shoulders tells you whether it is sustainable. Eh?
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Great suggestions Jerry, after receiving recommendations on 1/2" hoses from Jim G and searching technical data, I decided to use 200ft sections with my 8 gpm, with two 1/2" 100' free pieces that can be added.

The first time I used a 100' section of 3/8" hose after using 1/2" I felt the reduced force difference at the gun and wand with the same nozzle , I actually thought I had an issue with my machine, but the pump head pressure was the same. So indeed I did loose flow and psi, thus reduced cleaning impact. The loss is not easily observed if you are not utilizing the maximum operating head pressure of the pump and require the higher impact, for example when house washing.

But more interestingly Jerry, when you setup your pumps for operation at 7 @ 4000 psi, what is the average spike pressure when the trigger is released?

I know we discussed that OEM are sometimes allowed ratings higher than published on pump literature.
 
greg/sd said:
The more restrictions you have the more pressure you lose. we bypass hose reels because swivels rob you of a little pressure the manifold in the reel robs you of pressure the extra hose on the reel robs you of pressure all that adds up.
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I agree, and the operation, should make the decision , based on as Jerry mentioned, what the job requirements dictates. Keep in mind that we are wasting energy/fuel
 
If you are only using 100 ft of hose its not a big deal running through a hose reel. if you run more than a couple hundred feet of hose the pressure drop is very noticable. we sometimes run more than 600 ft and the pressure can be down below 2700 psi at the end of the hose. Its all about what works for you in a given situation.
 
Only on 1 hose reel does water flow through a high pressure swivel on my trailer, the other reels are storage only so I just unroll what I need off the reel and use the jumper from the machine to connect to the coupler on the hose that is sticking through the side of the hose reel.

Tired of hose reels leaking all the time and having to change them out. I have a super swivel on the supply hose reel and the original super swivel lasted about 5 years or so and then changed it out.
 
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