KEC and NFPA 96

Ah, but if cleaned properly per NFPA standards, if a fire were to break out the suppression system (if also properly maintained) would have no problem extinguishing the fire.
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Roger, You know this for certain? Do you have a degree in fire science?

I realize you have been told more fuel means bigger fire. I think you TGP guys had better check with some folks.

Empty gas tanks are more dangerous than full ones.
 
RMedbery said:
WOW, unbelievable, OK Im done. Yall have fun in la la land.
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Sorry you got upset, I just wanted and answer. Perhaps the BOD can share some insight into the questionsi pose.

Perhaps Mr Akland could answer them?

You see I'm not sure what you were trying to say and i just wanted clarification on the point of fuel.

More grease could mean more fuel. More oxygen means the fuel will burn faster. supression systems are meant to reduce this when a fire occurs.

Perhaps in this fire several things could have led to the deaths of these firefighters. falty safety, falty systems and plane stupidty.

Tragic is that the men parrished, I'm certain that more than one elimate of this disaster occured.

Fires will happen in commercial kitchens, they have for years. I have been in many over the 24 years and have never seen fortunatly one go out of control.

I have seen some very brave cooks and chefs use portable extigushers and other methods such as flower.

I once saw a guy use sugar. that actually fueled the fire.

I seen a guy throw a bucket of water on a broster out of control. He was burned badly. We helped him get staright to a hospital.

People need to realize that most of these fires are arson. The others are accidents and a few are do to straight neglect.

Fires occur in these places often and we never here about them. People put them out.
 
There is more information on the fire here: http://www.firetactics.com/NEWS1.htm

Grant also posted a link earlier to the actual invoice from the previous cleaning
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This invoice clearly shows that the duct (chimney) was not cleaned.

The US Government was set up with three separate branches, legislative, executive and judicial. If we follow the model that our forefathers laid down, and have helped us to grow in to greatest nation in the world, we can use it to improve our industry. We have a "legislative" branch in place (IKECA, Ackland, CHDCA, NFPA 96) as well as a "judicial" branch (AHJ's) but no executive branch to enforce the "laws" that have been written by our "legislative" bodies.

Nobody has been willing to take on this task in the past. I feel it is the most thankless job a hood cleaner can have, in essence we will be ratting out other members of our industry. The goal of the Grease Police is to have every kitchen exhaust system in the U.S. cleaned to bare metal, it's a lofty goal, but in order to achieve this we must either educate those who do not do it right and want to know how, or eliminate those who refuse to do it right, and don't care.

Any owner of a KEC company who is not having his crews take pictures of every single job they do, and either reviewing them himself, or having a trusted associate review them, is setting himself up to fail. If you don't think it can be done, call Don Pfleiderer from Enviromatic. This guy does over 6000 jobs per week and takes pictures of every job. The only grading system he has is pass or fail, if there is any grease in the system, it is a fail and you go back and do it right or hit the bricks.

Every start up is going to have flaws. We don't pretend to be perfect, but we are striving for perfection. If you have a true passion for your industry, whether it is KEC, house washing, roof cleaning, flatwork, then you too strive for perfection in every job that you perform, or you demand perfection in every job your employees perform. If you are simply in your business to make money, there is nothing wrong with that, as long as you are delivering industry standard services.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Roger, You know this for certain? Do you have a degree in fire science?

I realize you have been told more fuel means bigger fire. I think you TGP guys had better check with some folks.

Empty gas tanks are more dangerous than full ones.
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Empty gas tanks hold gas vapors.

The fire pyramid makes this very clear.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_triangle

KEC removes the fuel, whcih in turn prevents the fire.
 
You have no argument from me-we as owners must strive to be the best. I would hope that we all feel the same way. In fact I would bet that everyone would agree. You must be on top of your employees to see that it is done the right time the first time.

IKECA, Phil, PWNA will all profess the same-and they will try to meet the goals.
 
kmjt1021 said:
Ron a digital camera can be had for around a hundred buck, the pictures from then on are free, unless you print them, and I guess you could argue the cost of batteries. It's not really an issue in your case, but in KEC most of the work is out of sight, and unfortunately way to many people take advantage of that.
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Bryan, I understand the cost for a one man operation on tracking photo's would be your own time. If I considered photographing even one photo per job i would imagine that it would take me all day to sort file scan enter and title so that at a later date i needed them i could find them easily.

If i was operating by myself i cant imagine if i knew i was doing the job correct why i would ever need photos?
 
You can plan on adding 1/2 hour per week per crew for photos, this is for processing and saving/submitting by office staff.
 
thanks again, I knew u realized it actually has cost related. even a hour a week is 52 a year. plus managing files and being able to provide them correctly and acurately.

thank you
 
Ron Musgraves said:
thanks again, I knew u realized it actually has cost related. even a hour a week is 52 a year. plus managing files and being able to provide them correctly and acurately.

thank you
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It is very easy to expense this as marketing, if you work within budgets, it will only consume a small portion of your marketing budget.
 
I just closed a 6 store deal worth over $50k a year using before and after photos. Pictures don't cost, they pay.
 
It does take a little time for pics, but it is well worth it. Not only are they good for marketing, but they are also good to cover your butt. Had a customer call about 2 weeks ago that had a motor go out. The guy that they had replace it charged them $$$$ lots of money. He blamed his bill and the motor going out on excessive grease buildup in the fan. To his surprise, I had just cleaned it a month before and he wasn't dealing with a pj and I had pictures of the fan. I showed them to the owner and she deducted all of his extra charges from the bill...she was very happy with me.

No doubt that it takes a little time to take, download, and label the pics, but you get faster the more you do it.
 
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