Is this happening in your areas?

offdutyfireman said:
Wow, you have no concept of right or wrong, how a hydrant operates or the law. Theft is theft. Taking something used in the commission of a crime is not illegal search and siezure. If you hunt out of season, you loose your gun if you are caught, if you drive drunk your car is taken/towed away. If you are willing to break the law to do a job, you should be prepared for the repercussions. Hrydants need a back flow preventer for the very fact that the valves are below grade and do create suction when turned off.
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I hope your not chatting about me about right or wrong. I expained at nausem about seizure of private property. He was not charged with a crime, meanderized?" Of course not, the cop didnt do anything as far as I can tell. Only the hole from the water comany took action. and like I said, she has no power to enforce any law, with the far fetched power of making a citizens arrest, that just never go anywhere, except if you beat them down, for just being Johhny T. Justice.
 
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offdutyfireman said:
Wow, you have no concept of right or wrong, how a hydrant operates or the law. Theft is theft. Taking something used in the commission of a crime is not illegal search and siezure. If you hunt out of season, you loose your gun if you are caught, if you drive drunk your car is taken/towed away. If you are willing to break the law to do a job, you should be prepared for the repercussions. Hrydants need a back flow preventer for the very fact that the valves are below grade and do create suction when turned off.
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I agree you should be perpared to tak the repercussions. Was his hook up adapter used for criminal acts, yes however the fact still remains that the girl from the city took the adapter , not the cop.
 
OK then, "meanderized"? If you mean miranda rights, you do realize that they do not have to be read to you when you are arrested. Not sure what a "hole" from the water company is. I can't believe that you are bent out of shape over a thief losing his means to steal. I don't know about his municipality, but in my area the water department can confiscate anything used to steal water. I was "chatting" you if that means referring to you. I have a hard time following your aleatoric verbiage.
 
Theft is theft. It's no different than stealing electricity before the meter. In our state you can be charged with felony theft for this. It will be pled down to a misdemeanor or take your chances.

Also don't think because you weren't charged at the scene you can't be still arrested for it. The way it works is the officer takes a report and can file it with the prosecutors office if he's not sure a crime was committed. The prosecutor reviews it and can then file charges and have a warrant issued.

I'd gladly never go to retrieve my adapter and write it off as experience.

Another issue is some guys won't buy a real hydrant wrench and they round off the nut on top with a pipe wrench. Especially trying to turn it the wrong way. May not be too cool when the fire dept shows up to open it and their wrench won't work.

That being said don't ask me if I've ever risked it. Yes I have a real hydrant wrench.
 
Far from bemt out of shape. Did he steal the water" Absolutely, he admitted to it, 100%. I do not care if he stole, I do care about over empowerment of the government, it seems to me that the the chic from the water company, overstepped any powers that she had, and those are probably pretty limited to observing the crime, documenting the crime, reporting the crime and things like this.

If they are going to charge him with a crime, good luck the chain of possession has been compromised. And goto trial, I would love it to, get to cross examine her about her duty's and expertise, any lawyer put into question her particular duties, and I bet that no where does it mention the confiscation of a citizens lawfully obtained Tool or hook up or what ever.

So lets cap this, he stole got caught end of that story!

But just remember today its a fire hydrant tool, whats next? Our guns our freedom to protest, our freedom of what...whats next, we all need to take a stand, even for minute issues.
 
How and why does the city think they 'own' all the water in the first place?
 
Here they don't. It's a private company. Basically a monopoly so they get no sympathy from me. Kind of like a cable TV company. I think the point is you know the risk and you take your chances. If you get pinched deal with it and go on.

Just curious if he admitted it 100% how much cross examining would be needed?

That's my opinion and worth every penny I'm charging you for it.

You guys can argue it out I'm tired. Good debate. Keep it civil.

Good luck!
 
Imagine the audacity of all those travellers plugging into outlets at the airport STEALING electricity just to charge up their cell phones! Someone should round them up and throw the book at them.

After all STEALING IS STEALING right William?

10 minutes to charge up a cell phone. Airports should provide that as a courtesy.

5 minutes of water to fill up a MAX 500 gallon tank should be a courtesy also. It's ridiculous.
 
Tony, I believe the airport does provide that as a courtesy. Towns do not do so with water. If you circumvent what you know is wrong, whether you agree with it or not, it is wrong. use meters every week in different cities and different states. I hope thru the hoops to get the meters because I have to. I also understand the cost to the taxpayers for the water I use. Why should they subsidize my income by me not paying for my water that they are paying to have treated and maintained. Tony, you know I am not arguing with you, just pointing out things for others.
 
Boy, what a bunch of drama. I don't steal water from hydrants, and never have. I have been known to drive 35 miles or more to go refill with water. It sucked, but is what I had to do to get the job done. In my area, you cannot rent a meter to leave on your truck and fill up at a hydrant. You need to go to the city, tell them which hydrant you want to go use, then they will set up a meter. Some cities require a BFD (Back flow device) that has to be rented, before they will install a meter. Other cities do not require a backflow device. Just my experience.
As for stealing, all city employees have powers of enforcement in their area. They are not sworn officers, but they do have that power. She had every legal right to take his adapter at the site, and really to have him arrested, which is what the officer would have done if she said the word. He was lucky that did not happen, and that he got off as easy as he did. However, Joe, if you are ever in the same situation, you can scream about your rights all you want. I would just appreciate it if you would let me know how that works out for you.
 
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I won't lie, I steal water all the time. If we are in a troubled spot we will hook into another building. We always make attempts to compensate the person with cash or cleaning. If we get stopped by police for taking water its never been and issue.

Taking water from a hyrant is wrong with out persmission, the list of reason is long. Safety for public, water contamination is real. Pressure for actual fire trucks needing the lines in an emergency. Its not your water!!!

I would never tap a fire portection system public or private without the permission and autoritys knowing.

 
We always clean the hydrant afterwards. :big_boss:, and put a little tag on that says "This hydrant has already been flushed - you can move on to the next one - Just doing our part to save labor for the local government". :wave3:
 
I donated my rig to the city and demanded they give me a 7 to 12 year sentence for 100gal of water. I even got my adapter back.
 
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