Chris, The problem was with the shorter programs; me and Jim Foley did a weekend and were both extremely disappointed. Then with no communicatation or follow up and failure to give us the materials, that just made things worse.
I guess if you do the week it's ok from what I hear, but the weekend was horrible and NCE had to refund some of the Tampa funds for that short program.
As you said yourself on your board, "Knowing Joe's temperment, it is my opinion he would be at his best in a one on one teaching situation, vs a class at a Roundtable."
The complaints have been on the shorter format programs and Joe just ignored us, wouldn't return calls or emails.
I went with the program because of what I saw posted about it by Joe on RICA and here on PWI. If someone is going to use forums to advertise their wares they should be prepared to back them and be responsive on the formats they advertise, it's not a one way street.
I don't think any of us came out of Mama knowing how to teach a class. Most of us are working cleaners, not professional teachers. Since roundtables are so few and far between, those of us who do teach have little time or opportunity to practice and perfect our "schools".
I agree, until a teaching situation is tried and perfected, it might be best not to offer it. People learn at different speeds. I have taught some people roof cleaning is 3 days what took others 2 weeks to learn.
Here is what I gather from all of this John.
The one week, one on one excursions Joe offers have been well received, and the 3 day did not work very well. So, perhaps Joe should just stick to what is working for people ?
I know he really does have a lot to offer.
Joe may hate me for saying this, but I see a lot of similarities in him and Ron Musgraves. Both are "Machines", strong willed, highly opinionated and special individuals, with a ton of talent, knowledge, and energy. Both are "men who march to their own drums" Ron is a wonderful speaker, and is "at home" in front of a class. The bigger the class, the better. He has had a lot of practice at it. Ron Musgraves is a tough act to follow. I still stand by my opinion that Joe should stick to a week long one on one excursion, where he can adjust what he teaches "on the fly" vs a formal class situation. Some people, like AC Lockyer for instance, have the gift of being BOTH good classroom instructors AND one on one guys. But one must remember, AC has had a lot of practice teaching formal classes. His old Company Mallard Systems once had 44 trucks, and times 2 that equals 88 people, plus all the sales and support staff.
AC was almost Anal about weekly mandatory classes for ALL Mallard employees.
Joe Crowder does not put on Roundtables, nor did he ever own Mallard Systems. But he is successful at what he teaches, and I have seen some of the checks he has deposited from HUGE accounts, with my own eyes.
Over at RCIA, both our Clyde Sampsel and Shawn Holderman have taken his week long course, and are very happy with not only what they have learned, but with follow up support from Joe. I am sorry John things did not work out for you and Jim.
It really is none of my business, since what happened was between Joe and you.
But speaking for ME only, I never want it said by anyone that Apple Roof Cleaning took my money, and did not deliver what I promised.
As a matter of fact, I taught a roof cleaning sales class at the last Tampa NCE Roundtable. When it came time for me to get paid, my friend Kory Finley told me "Chris, a few guys were not happy with what you taught, and requested refunds" I told my friend Kory to refund their money, because it is cheaper, in the long run. Just as NCE values it's reputation, I value mine.
