I'm Guilty

Back to the texting issue, Shelly brought up some interesting points in a conversation last night:

There is a distinct level of hypocrisy and just plain ignorance in the "making" of these current "laws".

Shelly made the point that if we had the same kind of "kneejerk" policy making back when radios first came out in cars we'd all be running around in silent boxes by now.

Let's start a crusade. My friend Kevin almost lost his life in a motorcycle crash in 2006. Why? Because, as we were driving past Red Rock, he ran off the road while looking at the scenery, spending weeks in intensive care and months in rehab to learn to walk again. TIME FOR A NEW LAW - NO LOOKING AT SCENERY! How many lives could be saved if we just stopped looking at scenery? Close down all the national parks to all cars! Walking tours only. (till some moron bumps into someone else while gawking and we outlaw gawking and walking!)

What about all those billboards? Surely some idiot has crashed while reading a billboard encouraging him to "Attend your local church" or, in our case out here, shop at the local "adult bookstore". OUTLAW THEM! Better yet, just make it illegal to look at them while driving! That makes for a lot more income for the state as cops hide behind the billboards with a camera waiting for that tell tale "eye contact" that signals the PERP has just broken the law by taking his eyes off the road!

NO MORE KIDS!!!! This is a no brainer and EASY enforcement especially in gestapo states that limit window tint. Imagine all the income that could be generated by giving tickets to moms driving around with kids in the backseat. How many lives could be saved if mom just wasn't allowed to pass back those french fries or tend to that 44 ounce double gulp that is just about to spill on the back seat! NO kids in the car PERIOD! We NEED this law! Lives are being lost every day by inattentive moms crashing all over the place!

See how ridiculous all this is? Where does it end?

It ends at personal responsibility.

It ends when insurance coverage stops covering stupidity and covers true accidents only.
 
Hey Tony either your to damn smart for your own good... or your crazy..lol ... Crazy like a fox?? I don't know but Whatever it is..I give up.

Catch up with you in Vegas one of these days so we can pick up on some collections, and where thats coming from.. I dont know yet.. Maybe the one arm bandits..probably not since I dont gamble much..... unless I know I'm 100% right like on a sports question..
OK take on the system.. its always fun reading about what banging around in your cranium(Probably spelled wrong:)
 
Tony Shelton said:
Taking on the system has been done before, over 200 years ago. And it produced the best country in the world for many years.
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Lol.. There was probably nothing like sitting back in the day and eating some fresh kill and watching 2 guys start arguing and then they decide to dual it out.. Now that must have been entertaining..lol.

Or what about the rich and privilege sitting on the side of a hill eating there lunch while the "Young Americans" and the redcoats Battled it out.. I think if I was around then there would definitely have been a couple of errant shots coming out of my musket.

Hey I never been convicted of anything except for multiple traffic infractions when I was a kid dragging around with my cars or just driving to fast.. But I been in the slammer twice with one involving a brawl.. I think I told you that when a friend of mine was zapped by the cops in VA Beach on his 18th B-day..

Today I just want to float around on a boat and if things keeping going the way there going I'll be doing that next year in Northport Harbor down the road from me and you Tony and your family will be invited anytime your in town
to yak is up like we do on the net.. Maybe will go a couple of hours out and do some skeet shooting with some semi automatics. I'll get my uncle to come who last count owned well over 50 guns from present day to back in the frontier days. He's passion is collected guns.. And he's a retired business man that knows how to make some good deals..
 
Tony Shelton said:
Back to the texting issue, Shelly brought up some interesting points in a conversation last night:

There is a distinct level of hypocrisy and just plain ignorance in the "making" of these current "laws".

Shelly made the point that if we had the same kind of "kneejerk" policy making back when radios first came out in cars we'd all be running around in silent boxes by now.

Let's start a crusade. My friend Kevin almost lost his life in a motorcycle crash in 2006. Why? Because, as we were driving past Red Rock, he ran off the road while looking at the scenery, spending weeks in intensive care and months in rehab to learn to walk again. TIME FOR A NEW LAW - NO LOOKING AT SCENERY! How many lives could be saved if we just stopped looking at scenery? Close down all the national parks to all cars! Walking tours only. (till some moron bumps into someone else while gawking and we outlaw gawking and walking!)

What about all those billboards? Surely some idiot has crashed while reading a billboard encouraging him to "Attend your local church" or, in our case out here, shop at the local "adult bookstore". OUTLAW THEM! Better yet, just make it illegal to look at them while driving! That makes for a lot more income for the state as cops hide behind the billboards with a camera waiting for that tell tale "eye contact" that signals the PERP has just broken the law by taking his eyes off the road!

NO MORE KIDS!!!! This is a no brainer and EASY enforcement especially in gestapo states that limit window tint. Imagine all the income that could be generated by giving tickets to moms driving around with kids in the backseat. How many lives could be saved if mom just wasn't allowed to pass back those french fries or tend to that 44 ounce double gulp that is just about to spill on the back seat! NO kids in the car PERIOD! We NEED this law! Lives are being lost every day by inattentive moms crashing all over the place!

See how ridiculous all this is? Where does it end?

It ends at personal responsibility.

It ends when insurance coverage stops covering stupidity and covers true accidents only.
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Probably best if we just out law scenery.
 
Clean County PW said:
Lol.. There was probably nothing like sitting back in the day and eating some fresh kill and watching 2 guys start arguing and then they decide to dual it out.. Now that must have been entertaining..lol.

Or what about the rich and privilege sitting on the side of a hill eating there lunch while the "Young Americans" and the redcoats Battled it out.. I think if I was around then there would definitely have been a couple of errant shots coming out of my musket.

Hey I never been convicted of anything except for multiple traffic infractions when I was a kid dragging around with my cars or just driving to fast.. But I been in the slammer twice with one involving a brawl.. I think I told you that when a friend of mine was zapped by the cops in VA Beach on his 18th B-day..

Today I just want to float around on a boat and if things keeping going the way there going I'll be doing that next year in Northport Harbor down the road from me and you Tony and your family will be invited anytime your in town
to yak is up like we do on the net.. Maybe will go a couple of hours out and do some skeet shooting with some semi automatics. I'll get my uncle to come who last count owned well over 50 guns from present day to back in the frontier days. He's passion is collected guns.. And he's a retired business man that knows how to make some good deals..
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John, all that junk we've seen on TV for the past century is made up. The gunfight at OK Corral was the worst gunfight situation in the history of Tombstone and only 3 people died. How does that mesh with the fact that people ran around all over the old west with a gun strapped on their side at all times? The fact is, most people are decent. And the more decent people are allowed to take care of themselves, the less criminals can take advantage of them.

And by the way, the murders at the Ok Corral - were done by cops. One of them a former pimp and somehow making $50k per year in a little town like Tombstone in the 1800's. (how does he do that, pray tell?)
 
How?? corruption. Absolute power corrupts every time. If you think Cops are bad here you should go to Columbia or some areas in Mexico. They have been known to be trial and jury there at times where you will have to pay one way or another at scene.

I don't know if I read you correctly on these message boards. It almost looks like what you really want is to have the power to convict where you deem necessary. So that would put you in the same position what people fear most such as those cops from some of the third world countries(don't know who coined that term) and then what you really end up with is a lawless society.

I think our system..like you needs some fixing up...but.. I do believe in the right to have a jury of your peers decide your fate if you take that option. I don't believe in my neighbor taking the law into his own hands where he can act on total emotion and decide on someones fate. I always support the right to bare arms, the right to defend yourself and in the process if in doing so the other person gets killed as long as you can articulate afterwords why your actions were justified... Example if a lady slapped you and you pulled out a 45 and blew her head clear off her shoulders..that wouldn't work.

I could never support the people having the right to be Judge and Jury because emotions will almost always take over and you will forever have the "Hadfields and the McCoy" battles.

As far as dauls (can't spell) go I think I read somewhere that there were early presidents who had dauls because of the never ending debates. Fastest way to end a debate.. blow the guys head off.. Or stick a guys head in a vice (the movie Casino) to get what you want and then pop his brains out....but.... Then there is always someone else gunning for ya..
 
You are reading me entirely wrong.

I'm not suggesting we become individual judge and jury. I am suggesting that once we decriminalize actions that harm no one then the real criminals will stand out like a sore thumb and will be easy to thwart defend against. Resources could be directed towards punishing real criminals.

Right now we sit back and watch our citizens get killed with nothing more than a cell phone in their hands for making a "furtive" move and we sit back like some all knowing yoda from our flattened couches and say "well, they should have just "complied"". Complied with what? From just simply wanting to be left alone?

We have made so many laws there is an excuse for every abuse the government wants to heap on us.

You know what I'm talking about. And I think you are honest enough to admit it.

You know that most of the stops in the inner city have nothing to do with any laws that have been broken but more to do with trying to dig deeper to Find laws that MIGHT have been broken. (drugs in the car, etc - things that are hurting no one at the time. What you don't realize is that those kind of actions are basic core violations of our individual right to be left alone.
 
lol.. you didnt have to tell me twice.lol I also don't believe anyones car should be search for the heck of it...which is why an unlawful search and siezure gets tossed in court and that could include guns, drugs etc.

I also feel that we have the technology now where every car can be installed with a palm reader on the stearing wheel or a breathaliser set-up where no one can drive drunk..biggest killers of 18-25yr olds. They will also have phone so advance soon that there wont be a need to text while driving so the phone thing is on the right track.

But like in Enviromental cleaning the towns,cities,counties and States are always looking for revenue streams and this is why I wanted to go to Houston so I can hear for myself what Sgt. Walsh and whoever else spoke because the underlining factor when there is money involved is the revenue stream. We all do it. Just like you do in business---where can you have a revenue stream.. ahhhh cleaning coils but that does take work. The towns,cities counties and states are always looking for revenue streams and even though some codes should be enforced I am in agreement that alot of them are purely for revenue streams. Another classic case of that is parking on one side of the road until 8am etc. I knew cops who got on there scooters and they can write 50-100 tickets in an hour just patroling down a block like that...

As for me one year I wrote.......3 tickets and only twice in my career did I take Redlight overtime or seatbelt overtime and those two come from grants from.......yup you guessed it... the state. Hmmmmm you ever wonder why?? Do you ever wonder why there are roadblocks set-up that start with Seatbelt overtime that now leaves people vulnerable for mutltiple traffic infractions and this is not the cops doing... it comes from higher up and when there are grants involved Tony that should tell you it all----REVENUE STREAM because your elected clowns have enacted this to happen..

So there's alot more then the cop who actually wrote the ticket... you have to did deeper as to why he did it and if they said tomorrow Cops don't have to write tickets.. 99% won't. Heck get paid not to write?? Thats the job I would have loved to have and writing tickets are dangerous. Second if not the first biggest way cops get killed. It all stems from the town there in and what that town and its elected officials want and why. Welcome to the world of Politics where the rich and powerful have a way to sit back and watch the working stiffs take the blame... such as the cops who are public servants. Most of them are doing what there told to do or they will lose this command,that post,that sector car,that vacation pick,that promotion,and it goes on and on... Its the ones up top that are the puppet masters and there also the ones who pay the least amount of tax etc... yet they get away with it and they laugh while the middle clas people blame the cops, teachers,the electricians,the carpenters,the Unions who support the middle class etc,,, when they get stimulus money bonuses, they get to buy stocks such as facebook shares outside of this country, etc etc etc..

I blame them for our mess.... The Junk Bond King Michael Milken who was much larger then the movie "Wall Street" character was loosly base on named Ivan Boesky. Michael Milken made 2 billion in 4 yrs from stealing off mostly from the senior citizens where they lost there life savings and he got 2 years in a country club, same goes with Ivan Bosky who paid $50,000,000 fine like it was nothing and then played golf at his country club of a lock up for 3 yrs, Martha Stewart who made millions and then spent 6 monts resting and cooking in her country club jail etc etc etc..

Look at them who are above it all and maybe you'll think twice about targeting middle class people.. but your emotions are probably to locked in with cops being the bad guys and its all there fault. They write tickets because they really benefit from putting there life in danger everytime they write another tag... There not your enemies. There pretty much doing what there told and yes some screw that up and makes the other cops look bad just like a hack here in this industry hurts a ton of others because of the impression the Hack leaves the people... that where all hacks. Think about that one. One hack hurts 20-30 if not more Powerwashers. Probably way more. One bad Cop hurts thousands of cops. One bad Zillionaire such as Steve Jobs who violated just about every antitrust law to man...gets away with it because he's to big and to many people suppossedly would lose jobs If Steve Jobs was arrested while he was alive.. I hate to say this but if you believe in Karma.... where is Steve Jobs today?? 6 ft under.
 
I appreciate your honesty on the revenue motivation.

If I have to hear anymore million dollar PSA announcements about how many lives are saved by seatbelts I'm going to puke.

Many more lives would be saved if we all had to ride bicycles to work like they do in 3rd world countries. But we live in a country that started with a respect for a human being's right to move about unrestricted.

If I want to ride a bicycle to work it's my prerogative. If I don't want to wear a seatbelt I shouldn't have to worry about being robbed at gunpoint just because I made that personal choice.
 
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