Has anyone here used Plant Wash?

Doug Rucker had some great advice, about properly preparing your customers for the chemical roof cleaning, and setting realistic expectations.
We tell and show customers that we will do everything possible to protect their plants, remind them that is a plant growing on their roof, and we must use a strong enough chemical solution to kill it, so they get a good amount of time between roof cleanings.
 
fullwoodpcs.com said:
Plant Wash sounds like snake oil... Has anyone ever done a side by side comparison on plants it was used on and not used on? With an exactly equal application of SH on both plants? Too much conjecture, not enough facts.

We use water. Just when we think the plants are wet enough, we wet them again and again. Haven't had any problems. Don't see the point in spending time swapping to a Miracle Gro fertilizer nozzle when we can just keep watering and have the same outcome for free.
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Hello All,

1. Take the Plant & Property Protection Module here, http://www.softwashsystems.com/page_SoftWash-Certifications.htm

2. Use the "Three D's" of plant protection. Dilute, Divert, Decontaminate.

3. Plant Wash helps plants in FOUR ways.
a. Neutralizes bleach COMPLETELY! Really 4 oz of powder in a 100 gallon tank of pure bleach (12%) will render it completely inert.
b. Feeds the plants. Usually plants that die are on their last leg anyway and need food because the soil around them has become low on nutrients.
c. Puts a protective coating on the leaves so that the next day bleach dripping off roof doesnt burn as much. (no gutters)
d. Puts VITAL nutrients back into the soil for the aerobic bacteria that are ABSOLUTELY needed for plant life to survive.

4. It's not snake oil its actually ureia based.

5. I have a horticulture degree with 720 hours of training and 7 years in the nursery biz. I always knew why the plants died and didnt share for nearly 20 years.

6. 70,000 roofs cant be wrong!

Plant damage is ALWAYS directly related to short cutting and neglect! Watch the webinar and buy the product and your plant issues will be reduced to .05% or less. (basically gone) Ask Jason Evers from Coastline Window Cleaning in Ft Myers, FL. He spent time on these bbs and asking all of the know names in the roof cleaning industry how to solve the plant damage issue. They all said much as was stated above. Jason was ready to stop cleaning roofs because of all the damage. He paid me my daily rate plus expenses to come down and train his crews and has beaten the plant damage issue for good.

Buy your Plat Wash here, http://www.softwashsystems.com/page_products.htm

Also call me anytime for tech support at 407-832-1108

Thanks,

AC
 
If I recall correctly, Urea is the main ingredient in Nitrogen Fertlizer, the same chit used in the Oklahoma City Bomb!
Kind of a "No No" to mix with Sodium Hypochlorite, according to this.

All of us roof cleaners are in competitive situations, for each and every job. If I was ever up against someone spraying plants with any UREA based products, I would simply show this to the prospective customer!




[h=2]Hypochlorite plus Urea Explosion[/h]A municipal water treatment company decided to switch from chlorine gas (Cl2) disinfectant to liquid 12.5% sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl). Part of the motivation for the switch was to avoid the OSHA Process Safety Management (29 CFR 1910.119) requirement for a Process Hazard Analysis. They also believed the liquid would be safer than the chlorine gas.
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Exploded tank
At one of their remote facilities, they had a 2500-gallon polyethylene tank that previously held a liquid fertilizer consisting of 78% urea and sulfuric acid (1:1 ratio). Someone in management decided that they could reuse the liquid fertilizer tank for the sodium hypochlorite, most likely to save a few dollars on a new tank. On the day that the liquid sodium hypochlorite tanker arrived, the 2500-gallon polyethylene tank still had a few inches of the leftover liquid fertilizer. The site safety manager was there along with another employee of the water treatment company as well as the truck driver. The site safety manager decided to try to offload a little of the sodium hypochlorite and see “what would happen.” There was an immediate and strong reaction that generated either a white cloud of gas and/or fizzing.
The initial reaction “scared” the site safety manager who then decided to get a new tank from another location. While the new tank was being delivered, the site supervisor showed up at the remote site. He cut the drainpipe to the 2500-gallon tank and ordered the contents to be poured out onto the ground and the tank flushed with water. Even though the new tank had already arrived at the site, the site supervisor decided to try to offload the sodium hypochlorite into the used tank one more time. At first, it seemed to go okay, and so he gave the order to increase the flow of sodium hypochlorite. Just about then, the tank exploded, as seen in the accompanying photo.
The site supervisor and other employees present were seriously injured. The site supervisor died within about 48 hours. The injured employees sued the trucking company as well as their employer.
Chemaxx was hired to determine the underlying cause of the explosion. Other issues in the case included the roles and responsibilities of the tanker transport company, the employer (the water treatment company), and the individual employees. The employer’s state of knowledge and OSHA Hazard Communication Standard training were important factors in the analysis.
A number of experimental methods were used to investigate this occurrence, including mixing experiments, the analysis of the solutions after mixing, and the analysis of the gases given off via GC/MS.
The mixing experiments revealed that the order of mixing was important. When the sodium hypochlorite was added to an excess of liquid fertilizer, there was only a modest reaction or heat generated. On the other hand, when the liquid fertilizer was added to an excess of sodium hypochlorite, an extremely vigorous reaction plus significant heat was generated. One possible explanation seemed that when there is excess of alkaline sodium hypochlorite, the sulfuric acid is neutralized and what remains is sodium hypochlorite and urea, a mixture said to produce explosive nitrogen trichloride:
It’s suspected that there were also some bulk layering and subsequent mixing involved in the incident such that the sodium hypochlorite layered on top of the more dense liquid fertilizer. This layering may have allowed the accumulation of excess NaOCl and NaOH needed to neutralize the H2SO4 and produce the urea plus NaOCl solution.
It is worth noting that the MSDS for the sodium hypochlorite listed urea and acids as incompatible materials and that the MSDS for the liquid fertilizer listed chlorites and chlorine bleach as incompatibles. The site supervisor knew the two materials were incompatible and the site safety coordinator (who left to get a new tank) did the site OSHA training on sodium hypochlorite. Furthermore, a sales representative from the liquid sodium hypochlorite company had told the site supervisor (and others) that brand new tanks needed to be used for the sodium hypochlorite.
This seemed to be a classic case of management being in a hurry, taking risks to meet a schedule, and trying to save a few dollars whenever possible.
Dr. Fox is an explosion expert, fire expert, and chemical expert with extensive experience in OSHA chemical regulations and chemical safety.

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I use plant wash all the time it works for me and is coming from someone that works in 105+ heat all the time. I know for a fact that plant wash or any other softwash product is definetly not snake oil like Chris claims!!
 

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Apple Roof Cleaning said:
Doug, making a Product that Works, is not always a requirement for selling it.
Spanish Fly does not work, and yet it is sold.

Sorry to step on the toes of your buddy, but Softwash Systems has quite the history of making and selling products that don't work, or don't work as claimed.
I am sure you remember the Bleach Wash ?

Here is some of what the PDF File From Softwash Systems says.

. If you need grass or plant replacement
or have questions regarding this topic, call
SoftWash Systems’ Customer Care Unit



Now, that's a pretty clear admission to me that they kill grass and plants Doug (and they use the softwash systems plant wash too)!
LOL, if they didn't kill plants, why would they even NEED a "Softwash Systems Customer Care Unit" for Grass and Plant Replacement ?
So much for the Softwash Systems Plant Wash (re labeled fertilizer) protecting anything, except perhaps the owners bank account, EH ?

As far as your assertation that "if it doesn't work, many who use it would not use it goes", I think it is safe to say that I know many many more roof cleaners then anyone does, because I have been teaching roof cleaners longer then anyone else has.
I have never ever had any of these roof cleaners call to tell me that since they started using the Softwash Systems Plant Wash, they have stopped plant loss/damage.
Not one!

And for that, I am Glad, because I like to think I have taught my roof cleaners not to buy into, or rely on, snake oil type products.

To protect yourself from the rain, you use an umbrella, to protect plants from chemical run off, you use Tarps.
Yes, if you water very very well, control run off, and be sure the mix is not overly strong, you can get by w/o tarping.
But, to think you can spray some re labeled acidic fertilizer on the plants as you water, and have it stop or even reduce plant damage, is just plain incorrect.

For even IF the re labeled acidic fertilizer could neutralize the roof cleaning chemical run off (it can't), it can do nothing about the other component in Sodium Hypochlorite - The Salt!

Only copious quantities of H2O (water) can dilute the Salt enough, to make it harmless to plants.
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Chris,

SoftWash Systems Nationwide Network cleans hundreds of roofs each and every month. Yes we kill a few plants now and then. In every case it can be traced to someone forgetting, skipping or short cutting on a step we teach. However of the plants we kill or damage it is on less than .05% of all of the jobs we do and it is usually only a plant or two. SoftWash Systems Authorized Companies have an impeckable record of excellent customer care and plant protection.

The hallmark of great companies is not that we never have a bad day. It is what we do with our bad days and how we honor our customers in correcting them.

SoftWash Systems products (HRHIC INDUSTRIES INC) have always performed as sold. ALWAYS! The Powdered Bleach Alternative sold under the product name of Bleach Wash was manufactured, packaged and sold by another company we licensed our name and story to, under a license agreement with SoftWash Systems and was admittedly released prematurely. I actually had little to do with that specific product. There is more to that story than anyone knows and there were mistakes. I took the hit for that and withstood the criticism. However we are no longer in a licensing agreement with that company and we ended that relationship amicably and with friendships in tact.

Today SoftWash Systems has over 30 Authorized Companies Nationwide and in excess of 100 certified contractors. We hold two National Events, Softwashapolooza East and West of which the East event in now its third year will have over 100 in attendance. We also have 6 hands on training camps called Revolution Camps throughout the country for helping our network companies train their lead techs and sales people. We also have a full 20 module online education and certification system that is the best in the industry. Everyone has a bad day now and then but at SoftWash Systems when it does happen we cant say its because of the lack of training and accountability.

Chris SALT is only 1/4 of the equation of why plants are damaged by bleach based cleaners. Of course we cover that in our excellent training materials online, at our seminars and during our pro staff organized hands on camps.

Thanks,

AC
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
If I recall correctly, Urea is the main ingredient in Nitrogen Fertlizer, the same chit used in the Oklahoma City Bomb!
Kind of a "No No" to mix with Sodium Hypochlorite, according to this.

All of us roof cleaners are in competitive situations, for each and every job. If I was ever up against someone spraying plants with any UREA based products, I would simply show this to the prospective customer!




Hypochlorite plus Urea Explosion

A municipal water treatment company decided to switch from chlorine gas (Cl2) disinfectant to liquid 12.5% sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl). Part of the motivation for the switch was to avoid the OSHA Process Safety Management (29 CFR 1910.119) requirement for a Process Hazard Analysis. They also believed the liquid would be safer than the chlorine gas.
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Exploded tank
At one of their remote facilities, they had a 2500-gallon polyethylene tank that previously held a liquid fertilizer consisting of 78% urea and sulfuric acid (1:1 ratio). Someone in management decided that they could reuse the liquid fertilizer tank for the sodium hypochlorite, most likely to save a few dollars on a new tank. On the day that the liquid sodium hypochlorite tanker arrived, the 2500-gallon polyethylene tank still had a few inches of the leftover liquid fertilizer. The site safety manager was there along with another employee of the water treatment company as well as the truck driver. The site safety manager decided to try to offload a little of the sodium hypochlorite and see “what would happen.” There was an immediate and strong reaction that generated either a white cloud of gas and/or fizzing.
The initial reaction “scared” the site safety manager who then decided to get a new tank from another location. While the new tank was being delivered, the site supervisor showed up at the remote site. He cut the drainpipe to the 2500-gallon tank and ordered the contents to be poured out onto the ground and the tank flushed with water. Even though the new tank had already arrived at the site, the site supervisor decided to try to offload the sodium hypochlorite into the used tank one more time. At first, it seemed to go okay, and so he gave the order to increase the flow of sodium hypochlorite. Just about then, the tank exploded, as seen in the accompanying photo.
The site supervisor and other employees present were seriously injured. The site supervisor died within about 48 hours. The injured employees sued the trucking company as well as their employer.
Chemaxx was hired to determine the underlying cause of the explosion. Other issues in the case included the roles and responsibilities of the tanker transport company, the employer (the water treatment company), and the individual employees. The employer’s state of knowledge and OSHA Hazard Communication Standard training were important factors in the analysis.
A number of experimental methods were used to investigate this occurrence, including mixing experiments, the analysis of the solutions after mixing, and the analysis of the gases given off via GC/MS.
The mixing experiments revealed that the order of mixing was important. When the sodium hypochlorite was added to an excess of liquid fertilizer, there was only a modest reaction or heat generated. On the other hand, when the liquid fertilizer was added to an excess of sodium hypochlorite, an extremely vigorous reaction plus significant heat was generated. One possible explanation seemed that when there is excess of alkaline sodium hypochlorite, the sulfuric acid is neutralized and what remains is sodium hypochlorite and urea, a mixture said to produce explosive nitrogen trichloride:
It’s suspected that there were also some bulk layering and subsequent mixing involved in the incident such that the sodium hypochlorite layered on top of the more dense liquid fertilizer. This layering may have allowed the accumulation of excess NaOCl and NaOH needed to neutralize the H2SO4 and produce the urea plus NaOCl solution.
It is worth noting that the MSDS for the sodium hypochlorite listed urea and acids as incompatible materials and that the MSDS for the liquid fertilizer listed chlorites and chlorine bleach as incompatibles. The site supervisor knew the two materials were incompatible and the site safety coordinator (who left to get a new tank) did the site OSHA training on sodium hypochlorite. Furthermore, a sales representative from the liquid sodium hypochlorite company had told the site supervisor (and others) that brand new tanks needed to be used for the sodium hypochlorite.
This seemed to be a classic case of management being in a hurry, taking risks to meet a schedule, and trying to save a few dollars whenever possible.
Dr. Fox is an explosion expert, fire expert, and chemical expert with extensive experience in OSHA chemical regulations and chemical safety.

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Chris,

Every day all over the world people use acid to lower the PH in water that has been treated with bleach. Because of the immense amount of dilution the acid and bleach don't react violently with each other. Same as the urea and the bleach.

AC
 
Ac, you are a real piece of work, to send me a private message like this one you just sent. I just want everyone to see what kind of Monster you really are. Yes, I was on Probation, for a simple argument with my ex girlfriend, who I loved very much. I pled guilty to violation of a restraining order, because it was easier then staying in jail for a year to fight it.
In Florida, they grossly overcharge you, basically to force you to plead guilty to a lesser charge. I was Charged with Stalking, and Never Convicted of it, ever!
I did my Probation w/o incident, except for my ex probation office asking me what kind of weirdo you were to call and try and shut me up about you!
They laughed at you AC, they way people reading this are laughing at you right now.

AC, I have News for you, many many people in the cleaning businesses have made a mistake or 2, or 3 or 4 in their lives, and had a run in with the Law before.

In fact, it would be safe to say that many well known people in the cleaning businesses are not in the cleaning business, cause they sang too loud in Church!

And besides AC, even if I WAS one of America's Most Wanted, with active violent Felony arrest warrants in several states, WTF does it have to do with my ability to teach and know about roof cleaning ?

May I remind you that I am STILL in the roof cleaning business here in Tampa, and have been nearly 20 years.

Oh, and as far as "falling SEO goes", not a chance. All one has to do is a search for "roof cleaning forum", or simply for "roof cleaning" for that matter to see that both of the RCIA Forums are doing very very well, and on page one for their search terms.

Let people read the "warning" you just sent me, and see the REAL AC LOCKYER, a Man so desperate to get his own way, and quiet anyone who dares question him, or the overpriced, questionable, and mislabeled shit he sells, that he will go to any lengths, including calling his opponents Probation Officer, in an attempt to shut them up!



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Chris you have been quiet lately. Go back to being quiet or I will have to contact your PO again. I know who you are and what you are! Funny is that anyone who matters does as well. Go back to the RCIA and leave me alone! I dont need you starting a pissing match with me to help your failing websites SEO.

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AC Lockyer said:
It's just the truth Chris. Please stop trashing my chems, trashing my customers and trashing my affiliate companies.

AC
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"Truth" is all a matter of perception AC
I know a lot about you, unfortunately you are protected here at PWI, and I can't post what I would like to about you.
But, the warning you sent me that I posted, just showed everyone what you are all about, in your own words.

You tried to get your own way at the RCIA too AC, until we got tired of you trying to use the RCIA as your own private sales vehicle, and showed you the door.

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Now that I have had a chance to read through this I see what AC was talking about.

AC, when Chris started bringing up your personal stuff about your Dad I said that was out of line and uncalled for.

If I were you I would have thought the simple answer would have been a kick in the teeth.

Same thing with your calling his PO. Somebody needs an a$$ kicking and I think its both of you.

If Chris' issues had anything to do with ripping off customers or stealing from them his record might be fair game, but domestic disputes don't have a damn thing to do with washing and your involving that is no better than his talking about you'd relationship with your dad.



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And AC, you were doing just fine arguing point for point with Chris. After reading it, knowing the little I know about roof washing I was convinced.

Going personal with it just reduces credibility.

I wish you hadn't done that.

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I think the interesting fact is hundreds of roofs are cleaned a day using plant wash and thousands are cleaned a day without using it.

if you use a chemical to protect plants before you start applying roof solution and then have to keep them wet are you washing off the chemical? If there are gutters I see no point to put a chemical on plants below. Having a pressure washer Going to wet the plants makes it much easier to keep them wet continuously while doing the job instead of a battery powered water distribution method. With an xjet I can keep 100 feet of a house saturated with water from one spot while applying roof solution.
 
Diamond Jim said:
I think the interesting fact is hundreds of roofs are cleaned a day using plant wash and thousands are cleaned a day without using it.

if you use a chemical to protect plants before you start applying roof solution and then have to keep them wet are you washing off the chemical? If there are gutters I see no point to put a chemical on plants below. Having a pressure washer Going to wet the plants makes it much easier to keep them wet continuously while doing the job instead of a battery powered water distribution method. With an xjet I can keep 100 feet of a house saturated with water from one spot while applying roof solution.
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To fertilize them
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
"Truth" is all a matter of perception AC
I know a lot about you, unfortunately you are protected here at PWI, and I can't post what I would like to about you.
But, the warning you sent me that I posted, just showed everyone what you are all about, in your own words.

You tried to get your own way at the RCIA too AC, until we got tired of you trying to use the RCIA as your own private sales vehicle, and showed you the door.

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Chris please be careful what you say. We have all of the recordings of the BOD as well as the notes Bill Booz took. I have 2.5 gigs of files saved from the troubles you have caused me from attacking me, my family, my products and my affiliate companies. Anyone can have a look at these if they ask me. Respectfully I am asking you to step down and back away. Attacking me is a poor use of your time and efforts. You should focus on higher things.

AC
 
Diamond Jim said:
I think the interesting fact is hundreds of roofs are cleaned a day using plant wash and thousands are cleaned a day without using it.

if you use a chemical to protect plants before you start applying roof solution and then have to keep them wet are you washing off the chemical? If there are gutters I see no point to put a chemical on plants below. Having a pressure washer Going to wet the plants makes it much easier to keep them wet continuously while doing the job instead of a battery powered water distribution method. With an xjet I can keep 100 feet of a house saturated with water from one spot while applying roof solution.
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Jim,

Every part of the country is different. You are fortunate if you dont have plant issues. Most do.

AC
 
Tony Shelton said:
And AC, you were doing just fine arguing point for point with Chris. After reading it, knowing the little I know about roof washing I was convinced.

Going personal with it just reduces credibility.

I wish you hadn't done that.

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I understand Tony. Credibility would be for PWI and its leaders to not allow this kinda stuff to start at all. Police your BB you are liable for it. It is pathetic that I am gone from here for weeks, Ron Musgraves asks me to check on this thread and help the contractor out, and I find three or four threads on PWI where Chris T is attacking, mis quoting, speaking poorly of, whatever you want to call it, of me, my products, my clients and my affiliate companies.

I think it is poor leadership on PWI's staffs part. Just my .02

AC
 
Apple Roof Cleaning said:
"Truth" is all a matter of perception AC
I know a lot about you, unfortunately you are protected here at PWI, and I can't post what I would like to about you.
But, the warning you sent me that I posted, just showed everyone what you are all about, in your own words.

You tried to get your own way at the RCIA too AC, until we got tired of you trying to use the RCIA as your own private sales vehicle, and showed you the door.

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And yes Chris that was a great day and a great picture of us. I was like many unaware who you really were and was enamored with your web presence and seemingly success in the business. I soon found out different and am actually ashamed that pictures and videos of the two of us together exist. Chris you had such an opportunity to be a leader but your like the scorpion on the frogs back.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scorpion_and_the_Frog

AC
 
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