Fatboy or 5800?

I did a roof where I added 2 of the 24 or 32 ounce bottles of Dawn into a 50 gallon mix tank and had no problems at all. I had good bubbles and they were happy and did a good job for me.

I was thinking of trying the NP9 but have not got around to it yet, I have some but not used it yet.





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In my climate which is very close to Florida's climate I have not ever used TSP or had the need to and we have roofs so black that you can't tell what color they are.

I would not use TSP as that will etch the paint, etch the glass and why the added expense if it is not needed most of the time.

I am sure that it will help the job or is needed once in a while but I prefer to use what works here and keep it simple, I am not trying to impress anyone.





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TSP does nothing for roof cleaning. Ive cleaned hundreds of roofs, some with and some without, and there is no difference in the final product. TSP is difficult to mix, terrible for the enviro, and expensive.

TSP is nothing like hot water is for flatwork. You cant clean oil and grease with cold water, hot water is a neccesity. If you could nobody would spend the $$ on hot water machines. 12.5%, soap and water cleans just as well, so why spend the extra $$
 
Christopher said:
I did a roof where I added 2 of the 24 or 32 ounce bottles of Dawn into a 50 gallon mix tank and had no problems at all. I had good bubbles and they were happy and did a good job for me.

I was thinking of trying the NP9 but have not got around to it yet, I have some but not used it yet.
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We have some NP9. We used it once, but dont think we mixed it completely or something because it didnt work at all. Plus, we left about 15gl in the tank and it killed the SH completely over night. It fights the SH very very quickly so only mix what you need.
 
great chat....just got back from the mall :)

Ok, where do we start...

When I refer to "dawn" I am speaking of Dish soaps that are not compatible with SHC.

Like I said earlier, I have a friend that has had trouble directly related to using Dawn in his mix...whether it was for crete or a roof. Use it if you wish, I'm simply trying to share some good info with you and maybe save your lungs. Just like all the info that is on forums use what you want!

A mix with TSP in it performs hands down better than one without. Much faster cleaning, use less SHC, great cling addition, will rinse and spit shine up much better.

I can tell immediately if a mix has TSP in it.

If you are etching paint, windows etc on a consistent basis when using TSP you need to re-roll your process....

I stand firmly behind my statement that TSP is the hot H20 variable to roof cleaning and have completed thousands of roofs in my time.

Sure you can clean a roof very well without it. We have a white tile in the morning tomorrow and I wouldn't think of cleaning it without. Then we have a very light tan tile scheduled behind it, TSP is just ONE of the wheels that will roll these jobs home on time. There is no "silver bullet" just polish and refine your process....now we have a set process that we know works and provides top shelf service. Done deal, no more mix BS or pump BS time to make $$$$$$
 
I would EXPECT a Fat Boy to last LESS long then a 5800 :(
Unless Delevan has beefed up the REST of the Pump, and not just the motor ?
Reasons ?
Because the MORE pressure and flow a roof cleaning pump operates under, the faster it fails, ALL things being equal.

SHC is an oxidizer, and the more of it going through the pump under more pressure, the less long a pump will last.

Now, some of the 5800's have failed from motor failure.

Perhaps the new fat boy motor will last longer ?
Time will tell ?

But IF the exact same head was used, excepting motor/switch failure, it will last less long.

When using a 12 volt pump. you want to pay attention to your duty cycyle, and wire size, so as not to starve the pump.

You want to use as BIG a diameter Hose as possible, and keep it as short as possible, to make the roof cleaning pumps life as EASY as you can.

Yes, the Fat Boy looks like a good pump, IF it lasts.

In MY mind, the jury is still out on that.

Lets give it a year, and see how it holds up at a REALLY Busy Tampa Roof Cleaning Company doing 3 to 5 roofs a Day!;)
 
Peerless said:
great chat....just got back from the mall :)

Ok, where do we start...

When I refer to "dawn" I am speaking of Dish soaps that are not compatible with SHC.

Like I said earlier, I have a friend that has had trouble directly related to using Dawn in his mix...whether it was for crete or a roof. Use it if you wish, I'm simply trying to share some good info with you and maybe save your lungs. Just like all the info that is on forums use what you want!

A mix with TSP in it performs hands down better than one without. Much faster cleaning, use less SHC, great cling addition, will rinse and spit shine up much better.

I can tell immediately if a mix has TSP in it.

If you are etching paint, windows etc on a consistent basis when using TSP you need to re-roll your process....

I stand firmly behind my statement that TSP is the hot H20 variable to roof cleaning and have completed thousands of roofs in my time.

Sure you can clean a roof very well without it. We have a white tile in the morning tomorrow and I wouldn't think of cleaning it without. Then we have a very light tan tile scheduled behind it, TSP is just ONE of the wheels that will roll these jobs home on time. There is no "silver bullet" just polish and refine your process....now we have a set process that we know works and provides top shelf service. Done deal, no more mix BS or pump BS time to make $$$$$$
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You guys MUST have had some BAD TSP ?
TSP is a VERY effective cleaner, if used correctly.
We are working on some NEW stuff at the RCIA Forum.
Several of us are testing some new, Totally Chlorine Compatable surfactants/thickeners that may render most roof cleaning mix's obsolete.

TSP raises the PH of the mix, and the hyporchlorite Ion is more active at higher PH.

It is the Hypochlorite Ion, NOT the Hypochlorus Acid that cleans for us in the SHC.

In a swimming pool, we add Acid, because we want the max disinfecting power of SHC.

In cleaning, we want the PH as high as possible, for max cleaning.

BUT, gotta be careful !!!

IF we raise the PH TOO high, we LOSE almost all the disinfecting power of our mix!

Not a "problem" for those outside the South.

But here in Florida, and certainly in Tampa, people pay attention to how LONG their roof cleaning lasts.

It is a fine line in a roof cleaning mix between max cleaning, and longevity of the cleaning.

HIGH TSP mixes raise the PH so high little disinfectant power is left.

Now, you COULD do like we do, go for MAX Cleaning power, and add in an additional roof treatment chemical like we do ?

But then, you would have Apple Sauce :D

BTW, from a cleaning/longetivity standpoint, just SHC and water aint too bad.

But I would not go up to a cup of TSP per gallon of mix w/o adding something to replace the killing power of the mix you just pizzed away ?

But YOU may not care :eek:

TSP down at 1/4 to 1/2 cup per gallon aint too bad, PH wise.

As long as you allow a decent amount of dwell time before rinsing, IF you rinse, you will be ok, and have a beautiful clean roof to show for it.

The supporting documentation for my assertations are on the RCIA Forum, in the Roof Cleaning Patents section of the Forum.

I will come back, and place a link so all can read about the effeccts of PH on SHC :)

Here is the link to a discussion thread about a similar subject.

Roof Cleaning Discussion
The PDF file link is about 1/2 way down the page.
 
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Thomas Edison would EXPECT a Fat Boy to last LESS long then a 5800 :(
Unless Delevan has beefed up the REST of the Pump, and not just the motor ?
Reasons ?
Because the MORE pressure and flow a roof cleaning pump operates under, the faster it fails, ALL things being equal.

SHC is an oxidizer, and the more of it going through the pump under more pressure, the less long a pump will last.

Now, some of the 5800's have failed from motor failure.

Perhaps the new fat boy motor will last longer ?
Time will tell ?

But IF the exact same head was used, excepting motor/switch failure, it will last less long.

When using a 12 volt pump. you want to pay attention to your duty cycyle, and wire size, so as not to starve the pump.

You want to use as BIG a diameter Hose as possible, and keep it as short as possible, to make the roof cleaning pumps life as EASY as you can.

Yes, the Fat Boy looks like a good pump, IF it lasts.

In MY mind, the jury is still out on that pump.



Yup, that's what we have been saying...
 
You guys MUST have had some BAD TSP ?
TSP is a VERY effective cleaner, if used correctly.
We are working on some NEW stuff at the RCIA Forum.
Several of us are testing some new, Totally Chlorine Compatable surfactants/thickeners that may render most roof cleaning mix's obsolete.

TSP raises the PH of the mix, and the hyporchlorite Ion is more active at higher PH.

It is the Hypochlorite Ion, NOT the Hypochlorus Acid that cleans for us in the SHC.

In a swimming pool, we add Acid, because we want the max disinfecting power of SHC.

In cleaning, we want the PH as high as possible, for max cleaning.

BUT, gotta be careful !!!

IF we raise the PH TOO high, we LOSE almost all the disinfecting power of our mix!

Not a "problem" for those outside the South.

But here in Florida, and certainly in Tampa, people pay attention to how LONG their roof cleaning lasts.

It is a fine line in a roof cleaning mix between max cleaning, and longevity of the cleaning.

HIGH TSP mixes raise the PH so high little disinfectant power is left.

Now, you COULD do like we do, go for MAX Cleaning power, and add in an additional roof treatment chemical like we do ?

But then, you would have Apple Sauce :D

BTW, from a cleaning/longetivity standpoint, just SHC and water aint too bad.

But I would not go up to a cup of TSP per gallon of mix w/o adding something to replace the killing power of the mix you just pizzed away ?

But YOU may not care :eek:

TSP down at 1/4 to 1/2 cup per gallon aint too bad, PH wise.

As long as you allow a decent amount of dwell time before rinsing, IF you rinse, you will be ok, and have a beautiful clean roof to show for it also.






Nope we only use the finest TSP.

No bunk TSP in my tanks.

We understand that is a very effective cleaner, that is why we use it.
 
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