Economy and Diesel prices are getting bad!!!

Clean County PW

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Diesel at my local gestation just went up to $3.72/gal. My brother in law whose in the banking industry just got laid off last week. There are numerous houses here that are foreclosing at an alarming rate.These are the biggest stories in my Newspapers and the outlook for the near future looks bleak once again according to my local news.

There expecting Diesel to hit $4/gal before the year is out. Next year I am going to have to raise my prices substantially to make the profit margin that I need to make....... How far the value of the almighty AMERICAN dollar has fallen.. Something just is so wrong with that.
 
I've read several articles and it could be a rough one for many. The banking industry doesn't even know themselves how hard a fall its going to be. They know all the sub prime stuff is going to hurt and hurt bad, but now they are also seeing and thinking the regular type of fixed loans are also going to have to be written down, which is a huge problem. Billions & Billions of $$$$ no one planned for. They also say it could be worse than the savings and loan problem years ago.

They are saying in many articles that Florida & Nevada are already in recession and California may be also

I was reading that jobs were up, but theres a more reliable indicator (I forget what its called and didn't really understand it) But there are actually more people not working

The Fed Reserve isn't even sure if they cut rates more if it will help, people just cant buy and lenders are scared.

There saying that many things are turning sour and all at the same time.

I'm hoping for the best for our country and a soft landing. we'll see
 
This may be devistating to the industry.

I was advised by a friend in the landscaping industry, that through a little bit of daily record keeping, the fuel used in the machines was exempt from all the taxes related to highway use...state/local/federal. In his business it accounted for several thousand dollars. Showed me the importance of having a great accountant. Keeping daily records was VERY important however.
 
Most states offer an 'off road fuel use' tax refund.

You get a few cents of the state tax on each gallon of fuel back.

Colorado was real easy, just keep the receipts seperate, total up the gallons and submit online once a qtr.
 
I spoke with a distributor on that matter but I have to have a large purchase to do that , such as a designated tank , but then EPA has to be involved , I dont know if it is profitablr for me to do that , in your case Ron I can see how it would benifit you , my monthly fuel bill is pennies compared to yours probably 1/10 of yours
 
Look at the forclosure filing rates 1 in 142 housholds in Atl, 1 in 61 Nevada, tell me this isnt a problem, man thats horrible. The banks should be shot. I remember you couldnt buy a house unless you could afford it. The banks knew people couldnt afford it, but still gave a these loans, A lot of people are at fault, but the bankers are suppose to be the experts and protect themselves. When I went to build my house they tried to give me more than I wanted or needed and tried some funky loans I said no Fixed rate and that was thatThere was just a lot of real bad business practices and now the country is going to pay for one way or another.

I remember The Savings & Loan crisis. The Bushes were involved in that and now another banking crisis, while Bush is prez Hummmmmmmmmmm Thats my weekly Bush Bashing for now

Like I said, I hope we fair well America
Eighty-five bungalows dot the cul-de-sac that joins West Ontario Avenue and East Ontario Avenue in Atlanta. Twenty-two are vacant, victims of mortgage fraud and foreclosure. Now house fires, prostitution, vandals and burglaries terrorize the residents left in this historic neighborhood called Westview Village.

"It's created a safety hazard. And if we have to sell our house tomorrow, we're out of luck," said resident Scott Smith. "Real estate agents say to me 'We're not redlining you, but I tell my clients to think twice about buying here.'"

As defaults surge on mortgages made to borrowers with spotty credit and adjustable-rate loans, more people are noticing that their neighbors are caught up in the meltdown. Their misfortunes are haunting those left living on the same streets. The effects aren't confined to just low-income or redeveloping communities; they are seeping into middle-class neighborhoods and brand new developments.

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Smith, the vice president of Westview Community Organization Inc., keeps a map of the area, tracking each vacant property and notifying local officials when criminal activity is suspected.

Georgia has the eighth largest foreclosure rate in the nation, one filing for every 142 households, according to a third-quarter report from foreclosure tracker RealtyTrac Inc. Nevada has the worst rate with one filing in every 61 households, while the nationwide rate is one filing for every 196 households.

"They've seen a lot of prostitution in the area, vagrants wandering in and out of the empty houses and drug activity," said Officer Dakarta Richardson of the Atlanta Police Department. "Some people that I talked to are afraid to walk out of their homes at night."

Some other people in the area have been affected by break-ins, and there have been house fires in several of the vacant homes in the past year, Richardson said.

The rise in crime in Westview is typical of a neighborhood struggling with numerous foreclosures, according to a recent study by Dan Immergluck of Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta and Geoff Smith of Woodstock Institute in Chicago.

That study showed that when the foreclosure rate increases one percentage point, neighborhood violent crime rises 2.33 percent.

"The key here is the concentration of those foreclosures at a neighborhood level. When you have more than one foreclosure in a few block area, that's when you start to think about the effects on property values and the effects on crime," Immergluck said.

A report published Tuesday by the Center for Responsible Lending, a Durham, N.C.-based consumer advocate, estimates that 44.5 million U.S. households will see their property values decline a combined $223 billion as foreclosures surge in coming years, particularly in minority communities.

Historically the most affected areas were lower-income and were prone to subprime and predatory lending, irresponsible house flipping and mortgage fraud, Immergluck said.

However, "the problem now is on a different scale," he said. "It's affecting a lot more suburban, moderate-income places" as more people of different incomes default on riskier loans.

In the Franklin Reserve neighborhood of Elk Grove, Calif., full of subdivisions with half-million dollar homes, homeowners are fighting inner-city problems like gangs, drugs, theft and graffiti.

During the boom, the suburb just south of Sacramento sprouted 10,000 homes in four years, attracting investors from the San Francisco area. Now many houses stand empty, weeds overtaking lawns, signs lining the street: "Bank Repo," "For Rent," "No trespassing — bank owned property." A typical home's value has dropped from about $570,000 to the low $400,000s.


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California ranks second in the nation with one foreclosure filing for every 88 households, RealtyTrac said.

The homeowners sometimes have no options but to accept any renters they can get, said Norm Schriever, a local real estate and loan agent.

"You get some bad renters in there and the weeds start growing and a few windows are broken and it starts descending into a feeling of chaos," he said.

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"The pot growers, they mow their lawns"

Man, I needed that.
I have had a really cruddy time the last few days and really needed that laugh.
:)
 
The price of fuel in Jackson has changed so much here . Yesterday it was around 2.79 for unleaded and 3.21 for des. 3 years ago it only took about 22.00 to fill my des tank on my whitco .. Now it is about 45.00 to fill it.. Also in my truck I used to drive to Hattiesburg from Jackson and back for about 23.00 now it takes almoat 48.00.. I have not gone up on my prices much.. I still believe that we are being taken advantage of by the oil industry.. Oil companys regulate thier own prices.. Therefore if they see that people will pay 3.70 or more for fuel they will keep raising the price until consumers say thats to high and then stop buying it... We also have a problem with overcharging in Jackson .. the exxon station down the street charges 3.09 for unleaded and 3.36 for des. but I can drive a few miles down the road and buy unleaded for 2.86 and des for 2.99 .. So what do we do... PROTEST... A friend of mine says that long ago when fuel prices where on the rise some protestors in Texas started blowing up gas tankers... WOW... I have also thought about using my old diesel tank (500Gallons) that is on my uncle Bills farm in Benton and start buying bulk fuel and then just fill my burner tank up that way .. I think I could save a few cents.. Anyway I have heard by Christmas we will be paying close to 4.00 a gallon for unleaded and way over 4.00 a gallon for diesel... Wonder what the big oil companies are going to do when no one travels to visit thier folks for the holidays... I hope they lose thier ass , dang bunch of thieves..
 
Look, I hear everyone talking about The bnks did this, the oil company did that. We need to not look at private industry. The oil companies have a right to make a hefty profit. The bank too.

However, Look back to about a year before this whole crisis started. democrat controlled Congress started passing mandates for banks to make loans available to more people. Those people being people with bad/no credit, low incomes, minorities, young people, etc....in general, the democrat base. Now that everything has gone to hell in a hand basket, they are screaming for the banks heads. You think the banks are stupid, and didnt know that if you give out money to people who cant pay, your gonna get burned? I don't think so.

And more on the Gas thing. Does anyone know how much of the gas prices are Taxes? It varies by state but it is staggering. The same people yelling about it, are also saying we need to raise the fuel tax. Dems and republicans included. The republicans just wont say it out loud. By the way, the fuel tax is going up by 31 cents on average on July 1st. Say hello to $4 per gallon regular.
 
I know its not an option for you flatwork guys but I cut my fuel bill by 75% last year. Im all electric in the bed of a 4 cyl Ranger. I use no diesel for a hot box no gas for a pw. The Ranger is up to 27 mpg fully loaded now. I still have the big guns in a trailer if I should need it.
 
diesel is 3.94 here in south carolina........
 
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