Don't know if this is a good deal or not...
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David Saulque
Senior Moderator
I would bet that the local Landa dealer should be able to make the same deal. Plus you will deal with a local guy that will make good on the product you decide to buy.
David
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trevor1975
Guest
That price for a used unit with over 400 hours? I wouldn't pay more than$2750 per unit. That price is a rip, no matter how good of condition.
Justin
Member
I also think it's a fair price. I disagree that the local Landa dealer would sell one for that. How would they be a Landa dealer if they did? Also, if they sold machines at very small margins, how would they provide any warrantee or repairs when it does break down?
Want to know what I find truly amazing... most people spend more time and money trying to find the cheapest price on a product than they do actually out there with a quality product making money. Yet you can sit back and be pissed off that you, your wife, your friend... whoever, was laid off from their job because of a plant shut down because they are manufacturing overseas or in Mexico.
Think about the industry and where America is heading as far as manufacturing because people are always looking for price, not quality. America has lost huge companies and huge industry because of all this and everyone fly's the American flag but does very little to support the American Made quality. What has it done for the American Economy? What's it doing for your children and your children's, children. Daily, big business are forced to pull out of the USA and move to china or Mexico because of price.
Unemployment has risen, jobs have been lost; industry has moved out of the USA into other countries for cheaper labor because us Americans would rather hoard our money and buy as cheap as we can so we can save a nickel or a dime. Then we have the nerve to sit there and brag about how we got such a good deal on such and such.... It kills me. Just something to think about the next time you are out shopping. Think about service and the American economy next time you are looking to make a purchase.
It's really two bad to see that people don't care about what they are leaving behind in this country when they go. What jobs will be available for their siblings or what industry will keep the American economy moving forward. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see from the past, what's going to become of the future.
That's my 2 cents.
Want to know what I find truly amazing... most people spend more time and money trying to find the cheapest price on a product than they do actually out there with a quality product making money. Yet you can sit back and be pissed off that you, your wife, your friend... whoever, was laid off from their job because of a plant shut down because they are manufacturing overseas or in Mexico.
Think about the industry and where America is heading as far as manufacturing because people are always looking for price, not quality. America has lost huge companies and huge industry because of all this and everyone fly's the American flag but does very little to support the American Made quality. What has it done for the American Economy? What's it doing for your children and your children's, children. Daily, big business are forced to pull out of the USA and move to china or Mexico because of price.
Unemployment has risen, jobs have been lost; industry has moved out of the USA into other countries for cheaper labor because us Americans would rather hoard our money and buy as cheap as we can so we can save a nickel or a dime. Then we have the nerve to sit there and brag about how we got such a good deal on such and such.... It kills me. Just something to think about the next time you are out shopping. Think about service and the American economy next time you are looking to make a purchase.
It's really two bad to see that people don't care about what they are leaving behind in this country when they go. What jobs will be available for their siblings or what industry will keep the American economy moving forward. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see from the past, what's going to become of the future.
That's my 2 cents.
David Saulque
Senior Moderator
My point about the local dealer is simply this-the local guy is the one who gives the service plus he might have some used equipment. I was not aware that the equipment had 400 hours each. I like dealing with local people.
David
David
oneness
Member
Justin:
I hope I haven't given the impression that I am out looking for savings alone. Sure, cost is important to me, since money is tight. However, I am learning that support and service is worth the extra expense in some cases.
Yes, if I can find a good deal on something that doesn't require support or service after the sale, I'm going to take it. At this point in the building of my company, I don't have the luxury of paying more than absolutely necessary. I'd LOVE to have one of your hose reel setups, but I can't justify the cost at this point. When I can, you'll have my order. Until then I have to make do with the cheap reels and my homemade reel stand. I'd love to have a Landa washer, but until I can afford it, I will use what I've got.
I'm not in the market for a washer, and when I do find myself looking for another washer, it will be because I have worn this one out and that should mean that money isn't as tight as it is right now. I'm in the process of starting this company, and am subsidizing it with money I'm earning elsewhere. That means that I may have to sacrifice support for price.
Yes, I bought my rig used from someone getting out, and thus have no paid service or warranty on the machine. However, it was the only way I had at the time to get the equipment I needed. As I have already found, that means I have to do the best I can to figure out problems, and I'm very thankful there are resources such as this board, your board, and others, to help me with that. Without the help and guidance you and many others have given, I'd be just another guy with a truck and a home depot pressure washer muddling through how to do this the best I can. For that, I thank everyone who has given of their knowledge and experience on these boards. I hope at some point I can give back at least as much as I have taken.
I agree with you on the state of things in this country. I'm a big advocate of buying American made products, and supporting American owned companies. Sometimes its hard to tell just who you're supporting these days. You can buy an import car that was made in the US, and you can buy an American car that is full of parts made overseas.
I hope I haven't given the impression that I am out looking for savings alone. Sure, cost is important to me, since money is tight. However, I am learning that support and service is worth the extra expense in some cases.
Yes, if I can find a good deal on something that doesn't require support or service after the sale, I'm going to take it. At this point in the building of my company, I don't have the luxury of paying more than absolutely necessary. I'd LOVE to have one of your hose reel setups, but I can't justify the cost at this point. When I can, you'll have my order. Until then I have to make do with the cheap reels and my homemade reel stand. I'd love to have a Landa washer, but until I can afford it, I will use what I've got.
I'm not in the market for a washer, and when I do find myself looking for another washer, it will be because I have worn this one out and that should mean that money isn't as tight as it is right now. I'm in the process of starting this company, and am subsidizing it with money I'm earning elsewhere. That means that I may have to sacrifice support for price.
Yes, I bought my rig used from someone getting out, and thus have no paid service or warranty on the machine. However, it was the only way I had at the time to get the equipment I needed. As I have already found, that means I have to do the best I can to figure out problems, and I'm very thankful there are resources such as this board, your board, and others, to help me with that. Without the help and guidance you and many others have given, I'd be just another guy with a truck and a home depot pressure washer muddling through how to do this the best I can. For that, I thank everyone who has given of their knowledge and experience on these boards. I hope at some point I can give back at least as much as I have taken.
I agree with you on the state of things in this country. I'm a big advocate of buying American made products, and supporting American owned companies. Sometimes its hard to tell just who you're supporting these days. You can buy an import car that was made in the US, and you can buy an American car that is full of parts made overseas.
Michael Cappa
Member
Justin I do agree with you but I think the problem is so deep now it is a double sided sword now.
Clean County PW
Active member
Justin brings up some great points. I try to buy American whenever possible but we have dropped alot of our standards over the years which is one of the reasons why some Americans buy products which are made in other countries.
We as a Country need to keep our standards up.
This problem is way to deep to even really discuss it here without making a post quite a few pages long.
We as a Country need to keep our standards up.
This problem is way to deep to even really discuss it here without making a post quite a few pages long.
Justin
Member
Mike Williamson,
This was not intended or directed towards you at all and I apologize if that is the way it sounded because you are not who I was referring to. I wasn't really referring to anyone in particular so please don't read too much into it.
Mike (Extreme). I also agree with you, however, each of us have to work to change that. It won't change and it will keep getting worse if there is no positive action. It all starts in our own back yard, in our own homes and in our own minds. Do we keep running the American Economy down the drain or do we think about our purchases and work towards improving the economy here? That's a decision the we all independently have to make.
Again, this is not intended to be anything but me voicing my opinion and my frustration and is not directly aimed at anyone but I would like to mention something else...
... So many of you on here talk about the lowballers and how they hurt your business and you get upset with your customer because they jump on price, not quality. So many of you on here try to get more money for less work and you sit there and complain about it. Aren't you the same people that buy products from Lowballers... more frankly, whores in this industry. Aren't most of you searching for price alone?... I see it too much. Jump on the board and complain about being lowballed yet purchase products and support companies that are lowballing the industry. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Meanwhile, manufactures of products are pulling out on a daily basis to seek out cheap labor and cheap material so they can cater to those that want nothing but price. They set up their offices on the American side of the border and set their factories in Mexico where labor is cheap. All the while taking jobs, security, retirement away and stripping the average person of the American dream. Are these companies helping? Do they have a choice? What happens to us? What about our children? It all starts with us.
Those of you who fly the American flag and stand there proud to be an American should think about who you are and what you stand for next time you sell or purchase products.
The news is focused on the crisis overseas and the problems with the war but the real crisis is that the heartland of America is dying a slow progressive death. In the next decade more than 3 million jobs will be moved out of our country. There is an increasing amount of families out there without jobs standing in line for food. Despair is spreading like a virus and no one cares. Substance abuse is on the rise but still no one cares...
This may be late and it may be a double edge sword but change starts with each and every one of us. Should we continue to patronize companies that contribute to the falling of the American business and American Economy, then we just make a bed that one day our children will have to lay in. Look at what's happened in the past 5 years... now look into the next 10, 20, 30 years and try to imagine what will become of our great nation if we don't change.
That's my 2 cents.
This was not intended or directed towards you at all and I apologize if that is the way it sounded because you are not who I was referring to. I wasn't really referring to anyone in particular so please don't read too much into it.
Mike (Extreme). I also agree with you, however, each of us have to work to change that. It won't change and it will keep getting worse if there is no positive action. It all starts in our own back yard, in our own homes and in our own minds. Do we keep running the American Economy down the drain or do we think about our purchases and work towards improving the economy here? That's a decision the we all independently have to make.
Again, this is not intended to be anything but me voicing my opinion and my frustration and is not directly aimed at anyone but I would like to mention something else...
... So many of you on here talk about the lowballers and how they hurt your business and you get upset with your customer because they jump on price, not quality. So many of you on here try to get more money for less work and you sit there and complain about it. Aren't you the same people that buy products from Lowballers... more frankly, whores in this industry. Aren't most of you searching for price alone?... I see it too much. Jump on the board and complain about being lowballed yet purchase products and support companies that are lowballing the industry. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Meanwhile, manufactures of products are pulling out on a daily basis to seek out cheap labor and cheap material so they can cater to those that want nothing but price. They set up their offices on the American side of the border and set their factories in Mexico where labor is cheap. All the while taking jobs, security, retirement away and stripping the average person of the American dream. Are these companies helping? Do they have a choice? What happens to us? What about our children? It all starts with us.
Those of you who fly the American flag and stand there proud to be an American should think about who you are and what you stand for next time you sell or purchase products.
The news is focused on the crisis overseas and the problems with the war but the real crisis is that the heartland of America is dying a slow progressive death. In the next decade more than 3 million jobs will be moved out of our country. There is an increasing amount of families out there without jobs standing in line for food. Despair is spreading like a virus and no one cares. Substance abuse is on the rise but still no one cares...
This may be late and it may be a double edge sword but change starts with each and every one of us. Should we continue to patronize companies that contribute to the falling of the American business and American Economy, then we just make a bed that one day our children will have to lay in. Look at what's happened in the past 5 years... now look into the next 10, 20, 30 years and try to imagine what will become of our great nation if we don't change.
That's my 2 cents.
Justin
Member
Here is a list of companies that call themselves American but their labor force is not. These are some of the companies that have taken jobs out of America. Just a small list... there are many more.
3Com
Abraxas
ACE tech
ACES
Acymtech
ADEA Group
Adecco International
adroIT Software and Consulting Inc.
Advanced Computer Tech.
Advanced Data Systems
Advanced Technical Services
Advanced Technical Staffing
Advantage group
Aegis
Aglient
Ajilon Inc.
Algan
Algomod Tech
Alexander Consulting
Allegiance Group
Allegro Development
Allen Personnel Services
Alpha Beta Inc.
ALR Systems & Software
Amdahl/Pomerantz
American Contract Services
American Express
American Information Network
Americus Global Software
Amsys Consulting
Analysts International
Andrews Partners
APAC Customer Services
APEX
ARC
ARoBS
Art & Logic
Atris
ASG-INC
Assure Consulting Services
Atlantis Infotech
AURIGA Inc.
Availability Inc.
Avery Group
Avnisoft
Bacup IT
Bay Area Star Consulting
Bay Software
Bell Atlantic
Best International
Birlasoft
BITS
Blackbaud
Bluestone
Bohan & Bradstreet
Bold Tech
BostonGroup
Bostonprome.com
Boston SoftDesign
Boston Software Collaborative
Business Software Solutoins
Butler
CACI
Cadence Design Systems
Computer Associates International
Cambridge Tech.
CapitalOne
Capricorn Systems
Careers 2000
CareWide
Cavasoft
CCI
CDI
Chen & McGinley
Churchill Benefit Corp.
Ciber
CI Group
CircuitCity
Cisco
Claria
Coherent Solutions
Coleman Group
Comms People
CompanionLink
Compugen
Computer Consulting Associates
Compuware
Computer Personnel
Comrise technology
ComSys
ConciseDesign Inc.
Concord E Solutions
Concurrent Technologies
Consultis
Corser Smith
Cosmonet
CoSTAFF
Cotelligent
CTG
CTS Int.
Cyber Korp
CyberVision
Cyberxinfo
Cysive
Dallas Object Works
Dalmatian
Datacom
DataRich International
Datasol
DB Concepts
DBMS Resources Inc.
Deloitte Consulting
Delta Management System
Dharma Systems Inc.
digitalESP
Distributed Systems Group
Distributed Software Development
DMR
DP Consulting
Dye Management
Dynamic Consulting
E-business systems
Eagle Systems Tech.
EBS
Edgesoft
EDS
Elite Systems
Ellora
Eltegra
EMC
Emerson Brooks
Entelli
EPAm Systems, Inc
Ernst Young
Escalate Tech.
Etiam
Everest
Everyware Incorporated
Exc.IS
Executive Directions
Fast Group
Fitech
Global Consultants
Genius Tech
GlobalGate
Global Software Solutions
Global Technical Resources
Global Techworks
Globe Solutions
GMV
GoAhead
Golden Eye
GRT Inc
Global Softech
GSR Services
GTE
FactSet
First Union
Flash Soft Tech
Fore Systems
Foxy Loxy Foxware
FullArmor
Halcyon Technology
Harbour Group
Harvard Tech.
Hatteras Interactive Software
Hawtal Whiting
Hewlett-Packard
HIFUSION
HighEdge
HTC
Hughes Network Systems
i2
IBC
IBM
IBS
ICCT
ICS
ICC Jobs
Emplifi
I-Kinetics
ILX Systems
imatch
imex systems
IMIS
IMS
Indego
Indotronix
Independent Professional Services
Infinity
Infinix
INFOCOM
InfoCosm
Information Mamagement Partners
InfoGain
Informatica
Information Technology Consultants.
Informax Data Systems
InforMax
Infosynergy Inc.
InfoSys Consulting
Infotek
Innominds Software
Innovative Information Technologies
Innovative System Consultants
Innspire
InSoft Domain
Integrated Resources
Intel
InterTalentBank
Intelligroup
Interactive Business Systems
Interim Services Inc.
intermediario.com
Intersoft
Intire
IonIdea
IrisSoftware
Insight Solutions
Interlinks
Intermedia Group
Interactive Global Services
IPEX
ISC
ISI
ISIS
iXL
J.A. Snyder and Associates
Jajai Inc.
Jean Martin
J. J. & Associates
JJ Infotech
Jotorok
Kalady Consulting
Kama Consulting Inc.
Kamrik2000
KENDA
KPMG
LCC
LeapNet
Lilly
Lloyd-Ritter
Los Altos Software Testing House
Lorin Technology Group
Lucent
Magma Consulting
Maintec
Manarola
Marotz Inc
Martex Support Inc.
MAXX Staff
Megacom2000
Megaforce Llc.
Megasys Software Services
Megha Systems
MetaCommunications
Metamor Worldwide Comp.
Mirco Management
Microsoft
MindsMatterTech
Minuteman Tech
M.I.S. International
Missat
Mitra Systems
Modis
Motorolla
Mystic River
National Systems Inc
Navkar
NetNational
NetNumina
NetSource
Netsuite
Network Connections
New Age Network NY
New Boston Systems
New England Staffing
NextBase
New Horizons Software
Norland Group
Nortel Networks
NovelSoft
Ntelicor
Northwest Software
Oasis Technologies & Consulting
ObjectSoft
Omsoft Network Tech.
Open Systems Technologies
Oracle
OST International
Paragon
Parametric Tech.
Park Computer Systems
PathFinders
PDS
Pennar
Perform
PF1 Consulting
Picket Corp
Pinnacle
Pipeline Sogtware
Pitchi
PHD Consulting
Polaris
Portnov Computer School
Powernet
Precision Response Corporation
Precision Systems Design
PRG
ProDX
Professional Consulting Network
Professional Recruiting Services
ProNet
ProSoftnet
Price Waterhouse Coopers
Primetech
Prism Resources
Professional Services USA
PRT
PVI Firstcall
Qualis Consulting
Quality Information Systems
Quest Enterprises, Ltd.
R&B InfoSystems
R&T Consulting
R-Cube
Rain Forest Software
Random Walk
Rapidigm
Real Soft
Reliance Tech
Resumix
Remington International
Renassisance Worldwide Inc.
RCG Information Technology
RHIConsulting
RIA
Russia-Florida
?????.??
Sai Software Consultants
SEI IT
Shiva Systems|
Sigma Systems
Silverstream
Siris Soft
Sharkfest
Sofatel
Softland
SoftPro
Software Technology
SoftSol
Softstream Corp.
Software-Unlimited
Software Technology Assocoates Inc.
Solara Systems
Sony
SpaceAge Consulting
Specsoft Consulting
Spectrum Solutions
SRA Laguna
SSA
STI
STSWorldWide
Sumak Enterprises
Sun Microsystems
Sunrise Systems
Supra Telecom
Svam Software
Symcon
Synergy Solutions
Syntel Inc
System Integration Solutions
S.V. International
Taos
Talentware
Tata Consultancy Hall of Shame!
TECH/AID
Techdomain
TechLink
Techna
Technical Resource Connection
Technical Search Connection
TechnoTec
TechOne
Telestrial Systems
TelTech
Texrand
Time to Market Software
Top Source
TRI Inc.
Trinine
Triple I
TriTech International
Troy Design
U&X Group
UBICS
United Systems Inc.
UTSI
Unisys
Universal Tech. Service Inc.
US-CIS Bridge Inc.
US Interactive
U.S. Professionals
UST
Vega Consulting Solutions, Inc.
Velankani Information Systems
Vetronix
Vital Computer Services
VIVA USA
VST
VT Software
WebSci Tech.
Wingra
Winter & Wyman
Wipro - Hall of Shame!
WorkTech
World Technology
WorldWide Wireless
Xcel
XIM
Yankee Clipper Group
York Employment
Youngtech
3Com
Abraxas
ACE tech
ACES
Acymtech
ADEA Group
Adecco International
adroIT Software and Consulting Inc.
Advanced Computer Tech.
Advanced Data Systems
Advanced Technical Services
Advanced Technical Staffing
Advantage group
Aegis
Aglient
Ajilon Inc.
Algan
Algomod Tech
Alexander Consulting
Allegiance Group
Allegro Development
Allen Personnel Services
Alpha Beta Inc.
ALR Systems & Software
Amdahl/Pomerantz
American Contract Services
American Express
American Information Network
Americus Global Software
Amsys Consulting
Analysts International
Andrews Partners
APAC Customer Services
APEX
ARC
ARoBS
Art & Logic
Atris
ASG-INC
Assure Consulting Services
Atlantis Infotech
AURIGA Inc.
Availability Inc.
Avery Group
Avnisoft
Bacup IT
Bay Area Star Consulting
Bay Software
Bell Atlantic
Best International
Birlasoft
BITS
Blackbaud
Bluestone
Bohan & Bradstreet
Bold Tech
BostonGroup
Bostonprome.com
Boston SoftDesign
Boston Software Collaborative
Business Software Solutoins
Butler
CACI
Cadence Design Systems
Computer Associates International
Cambridge Tech.
CapitalOne
Capricorn Systems
Careers 2000
CareWide
Cavasoft
CCI
CDI
Chen & McGinley
Churchill Benefit Corp.
Ciber
CI Group
CircuitCity
Cisco
Claria
Coherent Solutions
Coleman Group
Comms People
CompanionLink
Compugen
Computer Consulting Associates
Compuware
Computer Personnel
Comrise technology
ComSys
ConciseDesign Inc.
Concord E Solutions
Concurrent Technologies
Consultis
Corser Smith
Cosmonet
CoSTAFF
Cotelligent
CTG
CTS Int.
Cyber Korp
CyberVision
Cyberxinfo
Cysive
Dallas Object Works
Dalmatian
Datacom
DataRich International
Datasol
DB Concepts
DBMS Resources Inc.
Deloitte Consulting
Delta Management System
Dharma Systems Inc.
digitalESP
Distributed Systems Group
Distributed Software Development
DMR
DP Consulting
Dye Management
Dynamic Consulting
E-business systems
Eagle Systems Tech.
EBS
Edgesoft
EDS
Elite Systems
Ellora
Eltegra
EMC
Emerson Brooks
Entelli
EPAm Systems, Inc
Ernst Young
Escalate Tech.
Etiam
Everest
Everyware Incorporated
Exc.IS
Executive Directions
Fast Group
Fitech
Global Consultants
Genius Tech
GlobalGate
Global Software Solutions
Global Technical Resources
Global Techworks
Globe Solutions
GMV
GoAhead
Golden Eye
GRT Inc
Global Softech
GSR Services
GTE
FactSet
First Union
Flash Soft Tech
Fore Systems
Foxy Loxy Foxware
FullArmor
Halcyon Technology
Harbour Group
Harvard Tech.
Hatteras Interactive Software
Hawtal Whiting
Hewlett-Packard
HIFUSION
HighEdge
HTC
Hughes Network Systems
i2
IBC
IBM
IBS
ICCT
ICS
ICC Jobs
Emplifi
I-Kinetics
ILX Systems
imatch
imex systems
IMIS
IMS
Indego
Indotronix
Independent Professional Services
Infinity
Infinix
INFOCOM
InfoCosm
Information Mamagement Partners
InfoGain
Informatica
Information Technology Consultants.
Informax Data Systems
InforMax
Infosynergy Inc.
InfoSys Consulting
Infotek
Innominds Software
Innovative Information Technologies
Innovative System Consultants
Innspire
InSoft Domain
Integrated Resources
Intel
InterTalentBank
Intelligroup
Interactive Business Systems
Interim Services Inc.
intermediario.com
Intersoft
Intire
IonIdea
IrisSoftware
Insight Solutions
Interlinks
Intermedia Group
Interactive Global Services
IPEX
ISC
ISI
ISIS
iXL
J.A. Snyder and Associates
Jajai Inc.
Jean Martin
J. J. & Associates
JJ Infotech
Jotorok
Kalady Consulting
Kama Consulting Inc.
Kamrik2000
KENDA
KPMG
LCC
LeapNet
Lilly
Lloyd-Ritter
Los Altos Software Testing House
Lorin Technology Group
Lucent
Magma Consulting
Maintec
Manarola
Marotz Inc
Martex Support Inc.
MAXX Staff
Megacom2000
Megaforce Llc.
Megasys Software Services
Megha Systems
MetaCommunications
Metamor Worldwide Comp.
Mirco Management
Microsoft
MindsMatterTech
Minuteman Tech
M.I.S. International
Missat
Mitra Systems
Modis
Motorolla
Mystic River
National Systems Inc
Navkar
NetNational
NetNumina
NetSource
Netsuite
Network Connections
New Age Network NY
New Boston Systems
New England Staffing
NextBase
New Horizons Software
Norland Group
Nortel Networks
NovelSoft
Ntelicor
Northwest Software
Oasis Technologies & Consulting
ObjectSoft
Omsoft Network Tech.
Open Systems Technologies
Oracle
OST International
Paragon
Parametric Tech.
Park Computer Systems
PathFinders
PDS
Pennar
Perform
PF1 Consulting
Picket Corp
Pinnacle
Pipeline Sogtware
Pitchi
PHD Consulting
Polaris
Portnov Computer School
Powernet
Precision Response Corporation
Precision Systems Design
PRG
ProDX
Professional Consulting Network
Professional Recruiting Services
ProNet
ProSoftnet
Price Waterhouse Coopers
Primetech
Prism Resources
Professional Services USA
PRT
PVI Firstcall
Qualis Consulting
Quality Information Systems
Quest Enterprises, Ltd.
R&B InfoSystems
R&T Consulting
R-Cube
Rain Forest Software
Random Walk
Rapidigm
Real Soft
Reliance Tech
Resumix
Remington International
Renassisance Worldwide Inc.
RCG Information Technology
RHIConsulting
RIA
Russia-Florida
?????.??
Sai Software Consultants
SEI IT
Shiva Systems|
Sigma Systems
Silverstream
Siris Soft
Sharkfest
Sofatel
Softland
SoftPro
Software Technology
SoftSol
Softstream Corp.
Software-Unlimited
Software Technology Assocoates Inc.
Solara Systems
Sony
SpaceAge Consulting
Specsoft Consulting
Spectrum Solutions
SRA Laguna
SSA
STI
STSWorldWide
Sumak Enterprises
Sun Microsystems
Sunrise Systems
Supra Telecom
Svam Software
Symcon
Synergy Solutions
Syntel Inc
System Integration Solutions
S.V. International
Taos
Talentware
Tata Consultancy Hall of Shame!
TECH/AID
Techdomain
TechLink
Techna
Technical Resource Connection
Technical Search Connection
TechnoTec
TechOne
Telestrial Systems
TelTech
Texrand
Time to Market Software
Top Source
TRI Inc.
Trinine
Triple I
TriTech International
Troy Design
U&X Group
UBICS
United Systems Inc.
UTSI
Unisys
Universal Tech. Service Inc.
US-CIS Bridge Inc.
US Interactive
U.S. Professionals
UST
Vega Consulting Solutions, Inc.
Velankani Information Systems
Vetronix
Vital Computer Services
VIVA USA
VST
VT Software
WebSci Tech.
Wingra
Winter & Wyman
Wipro - Hall of Shame!
WorkTech
World Technology
WorldWide Wireless
Xcel
XIM
Yankee Clipper Group
York Employment
Youngtech
Power Clean of America
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you know what gets my goat?
someone driving down the road in a toyota truck with a magnetic american flag stuck on the rear.
something is better than nothing i guess.
someone driving down the road in a toyota truck with a magnetic american flag stuck on the rear.
something is better than nothing i guess.
oneness
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Powerclean:
Like I mentioned in my earlier post, it is often misleading and hard to determine who you are supporting. By buying an import, you are often supporting American jobs, just as with buying a domestic car often supports overseas jobs. I can be a damn proud American and still drive an import.
What about the guy who buys a used import? His buying and driving that car as opposed to a used domestic doesn't hurt anyone's job. It's easy to pass a quick judgement on things like that, but they're not really that simple.
I am one of those guys you mention driving an import truck with an American flag on the back. Actually, I no longer drive it, had to upgrade to a larger truck for the trailer I'm hauling. However, I bought it used from an American dealership....does that make me unpatriotic? UnAmerican?
Like I said, things aren't as simple as your comments seem to make them.
Like I mentioned in my earlier post, it is often misleading and hard to determine who you are supporting. By buying an import, you are often supporting American jobs, just as with buying a domestic car often supports overseas jobs. I can be a damn proud American and still drive an import.
What about the guy who buys a used import? His buying and driving that car as opposed to a used domestic doesn't hurt anyone's job. It's easy to pass a quick judgement on things like that, but they're not really that simple.
I am one of those guys you mention driving an import truck with an American flag on the back. Actually, I no longer drive it, had to upgrade to a larger truck for the trailer I'm hauling. However, I bought it used from an American dealership....does that make me unpatriotic? UnAmerican?
Like I said, things aren't as simple as your comments seem to make them.
Clean County PW
Active member
Like I was saying its alot more complicated then just saying a guy is un American because he has a toyota truck with an American Flag on it. That is so far from the truth.
How many of us have Powerwashers that have Honda Engines?? I have 3.
It comes down to quality and us Americans appreciate quality. if it means other countries are producing higher quality products then us, alot of Americans will buy from that Country.
We have to elevate our standards if we want to sell our products to our fellow citizens. Americans are well schooled on the most part and we know what is good and what isn't. If our products stink we look elsewhere. Who wouldn't. Being Patriotic which is a good thing doesn't mean that you should be blind by the truth.
We should raise our standards.
How many of us have Powerwashers that have Honda Engines?? I have 3.
It comes down to quality and us Americans appreciate quality. if it means other countries are producing higher quality products then us, alot of Americans will buy from that Country.
We have to elevate our standards if we want to sell our products to our fellow citizens. Americans are well schooled on the most part and we know what is good and what isn't. If our products stink we look elsewhere. Who wouldn't. Being Patriotic which is a good thing doesn't mean that you should be blind by the truth.
We should raise our standards.
Mike Hughes
Former Board Administrator
oneness said:
As far as passenger cars go, I now own my 6th Toyota and love it. Can't be beat in quality and engineering, except for maybe something German......
If Toyota made a big enough truck for me I'd own one of those too...............instead I have to settle for the lesser of 3 evils.....Ford.
Many Toyotas are assembled and some parts are made in the US. I believe that all Camry's are US assembeld and even exported from the US. Some of the pickups are US made.
As for quality one of our trucks is a 93 Toyota that has 160k miles and has never had a single repair or been in the shop since we got it new. It has only had lube services, tires, a clutch(burned it up towing one of our F350's) and shocks(the stock shocks suck).
This truck has never had a tuneup or even new spark plugs.
We also have a 94 Plymouth Voyager it works alright, a few problems once in a while, but it had a transaxle replaced at 67k, 77k, 91k and it just died again at 110k miles(this one is a warranty job since it was a new one installed the last time). After it is fixed, we will replace it with a GMC 2500 van.
I believe that a lot of the Plymouth is from Japan and Mexico
The German cars are great, but they still can't touch the reliability of Toyota/Lexus.
As for quality one of our trucks is a 93 Toyota that has 160k miles and has never had a single repair or been in the shop since we got it new. It has only had lube services, tires, a clutch(burned it up towing one of our F350's) and shocks(the stock shocks suck).
This truck has never had a tuneup or even new spark plugs.
We also have a 94 Plymouth Voyager it works alright, a few problems once in a while, but it had a transaxle replaced at 67k, 77k, 91k and it just died again at 110k miles(this one is a warranty job since it was a new one installed the last time). After it is fixed, we will replace it with a GMC 2500 van.
I believe that a lot of the Plymouth is from Japan and Mexico
The German cars are great, but they still can't touch the reliability of Toyota/Lexus.
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what about your GM car being built in canada?
What about 65% of a HARLEY being built in the USA useing all jap part's?
jap's need to import everything. We sell them the steel to build them.
We are a big melting pot and price win's.
Sit in your nice safe house and CONSUME as much as you can.
That is what the media want's. I cant stand to watch the new's anymore. Now i just watch the weather channel.
Funny or not so funny-that magnetic flag was prob. made in japan. As are 90% of the aftermarket part's for harley.
engineered obsolencence at a med price.
What about 65% of a HARLEY being built in the USA useing all jap part's?
jap's need to import everything. We sell them the steel to build them.
We are a big melting pot and price win's.
Sit in your nice safe house and CONSUME as much as you can.
That is what the media want's. I cant stand to watch the new's anymore. Now i just watch the weather channel.
Funny or not so funny-that magnetic flag was prob. made in japan. As are 90% of the aftermarket part's for harley.
engineered obsolencence at a med price.
oneness
Member
ron:
You're right! Remember after 9/11, everyone was trying to find flags to buy, but everyone was sold out....suppliers were waiting on shipments from China. There's just something wrong there.
There's also something wrong with how many people had to go buy a flag after 9/11...And there's even more wrong with how those sentiments of patriotism have faded or disappeared completely in so many people.
You're right! Remember after 9/11, everyone was trying to find flags to buy, but everyone was sold out....suppliers were waiting on shipments from China. There's just something wrong there.
There's also something wrong with how many people had to go buy a flag after 9/11...And there's even more wrong with how those sentiments of patriotism have faded or disappeared completely in so many people.