Phil Ackland
KEC Expert
You are all pretty much right. the trick is -- not to make it sound like you are cleaning (or inspecting ) to the whole 96 document.
The smartest thing you can do is document what was done and what you might have found. See my After service follow up report example on my website.
Use a form like this for ALL customers. This shows consistency. if the owner, who is suing you for a fire, says he never got one, you can show that it is a regular practice of your company to issue them and this guy is just either being a jerk or lying. Either way it is good for you.
Now -- I have another issue.
In the future it looks like the NFPA 96 - 11.3 Inspections and 11.4 Cleaning are going to move apart.
Inspections is going to mean (more or less) inspection of the whole system for any deficency (not just cleanliness). and Cleaning will become more defined. This is different, but not necessarily a bad thing.
Where every one of you could help is getting me pictures of water wash hoods, dampers, air pollutioin systems and any other "moving or mechanical" component that can be found in the exhaust systems, that are filthy. The greaser the better. And if the components are obviously broken (visible in the picture) more the better. I need a hundred of them at least. And if you have any video clips they could be helpful too.
Bernard Besal and I are going to try to show the committee that there are a number of areas that need proper (and professionial) inspections, (that goes beyond what a cleaner might provide).
This in turn will assist cleaners in having a more defined scope of responsibility. Cleaners are there to check if the system is dirty, not report on the workings of some 40 year old Gaylord. (someone mentioned Squirrel chage fans -- You can bet they are not UL listed for this application, but is it your fault that they are there? -- No!
There are a number of sub currents taking place with this whole issue, that I'll try to explain as time allows. But if you really want to help those of us who have a more "maintenance point of view" on the committee, then pictures will be worth a 1000 words.
We hope to put a Power Point Program together and show the Committee that many systems are such junk that the cleaner cna't not be blamed for their condition. We will be meeting again in November in Baltimore (tentative) so I need them as soon as possible so I can put it all together.
I am going to have a number of other issues come up in the near future that some of you will like and other not, so stay tuned. I welcome your feedback and want you to know that I value hearing from you.
I'll try to remember to post these thoughts both here and on PWNA's site.
Phil
The smartest thing you can do is document what was done and what you might have found. See my After service follow up report example on my website.
Use a form like this for ALL customers. This shows consistency. if the owner, who is suing you for a fire, says he never got one, you can show that it is a regular practice of your company to issue them and this guy is just either being a jerk or lying. Either way it is good for you.
Now -- I have another issue.
In the future it looks like the NFPA 96 - 11.3 Inspections and 11.4 Cleaning are going to move apart.
Inspections is going to mean (more or less) inspection of the whole system for any deficency (not just cleanliness). and Cleaning will become more defined. This is different, but not necessarily a bad thing.
Where every one of you could help is getting me pictures of water wash hoods, dampers, air pollutioin systems and any other "moving or mechanical" component that can be found in the exhaust systems, that are filthy. The greaser the better. And if the components are obviously broken (visible in the picture) more the better. I need a hundred of them at least. And if you have any video clips they could be helpful too.
Bernard Besal and I are going to try to show the committee that there are a number of areas that need proper (and professionial) inspections, (that goes beyond what a cleaner might provide).
This in turn will assist cleaners in having a more defined scope of responsibility. Cleaners are there to check if the system is dirty, not report on the workings of some 40 year old Gaylord. (someone mentioned Squirrel chage fans -- You can bet they are not UL listed for this application, but is it your fault that they are there? -- No!
There are a number of sub currents taking place with this whole issue, that I'll try to explain as time allows. But if you really want to help those of us who have a more "maintenance point of view" on the committee, then pictures will be worth a 1000 words.
We hope to put a Power Point Program together and show the Committee that many systems are such junk that the cleaner cna't not be blamed for their condition. We will be meeting again in November in Baltimore (tentative) so I need them as soon as possible so I can put it all together.
I am going to have a number of other issues come up in the near future that some of you will like and other not, so stay tuned. I welcome your feedback and want you to know that I value hearing from you.
I'll try to remember to post these thoughts both here and on PWNA's site.
Phil
