There's a common denominator , it starts with a T... Funny how he's contacted or involved. " we'll I really can't say" " you know"
You know it's sorta funny
You know it's sorta funny
Brand new industry organization-PWRA Pressure Washing Resource Association
- Thread starter Clear Shine
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Chris Francis
Member
I want to ask what is any of the orgs doing be recognize by public or by the states. Is orgs going to have state body, regional body and national body or is going to be national body.
Chris Francis
Member
Ron every state is going to have small body then each head is going to be part of national body then.
eventually we hope that would be the case, Chris we are just on a re-start again. my last go around with anything related to the mobile cleaning industry. The last stand
Ohio pressure wash
New member
I don't like seeing posts disappear. IMHO, people should either be banned or heard.....not selectively heard.
Just my opinion....
Just my opinion....
Gary Mauer
New member
Never moderated on a BBS, but I have done it for many years on groups - I would much rather remove a post than a poster.
Maybe there could be a "purgatory" subforum where deleted messages live on for a few days.
Maybe there could be a "purgatory" subforum where deleted messages live on for a few days.
Gary thats actually what Happens, no messages here are ever deleted. If a Staff member Deletes a Post they are removed from Staff. Behind the Scenes theres a staff area where the people here run the show. They do a great job, it doesn't pay much.
If you would like to help with the window cleaning area I'm open to that. I'll ask the current admin Steven Button.
Ohio pressure wash
New member
Half this thread is gone....what message does that send?
I actually side with Ron and PWI on this thread/topic but I have to say, I'm disappointed to see 2 entire pages just disappear.
Ron knows how I feel and we've discussed it several times. I had an opinion on a subject that was quite unpopular at the time and now has almost universal agreement and many of my posts and entire threads disappeared. I stopped posting here for a long time.
There is a huge slippery slope issue and with the UAMCC restart and it's connections to PWI.....I really think all opinions should be heard. Otherwise we end up with the same authoritarian disconnect between Board and membership we seen on the last two UAMCC starts.
my 2 cents...
Gary Mauer
New member
Sure, Ron. Thanks for asking. I believe I would benefit from the experience.
By the way, I realize you have a way to hold messages. My "purgatory" comment was mostly in jest - I meant an area "members" could visit to see examples of why posts get deleted. (Or see what hell looks like ;-)
By the way, I realize you have a way to hold messages. My "purgatory" comment was mostly in jest - I meant an area "members" could visit to see examples of why posts get deleted. (Or see what hell looks like ;-)
One Day an 1000 Hits... wait till next week 3500 Hits
PWRA has over 50 members now in SIX month Thats 8.3 members a month
I'm interested to hear how members are liking it?
I'm interested to hear how members are liking it?
Clear Shine
New member
Ron, I am loving it! If you do any bulk printing at all, you will pay for your membership with that alone, much less all the other benefits. Tons of premade fully editable material ready to go and be sent to the printer....I know I will be saving a ton of money just from not having to pay graphic designers!
So who are these success time testing professionals that have proven these products in the pressure washing industry?
How much did you increase your bottom line since Joining?
I mean its really a Buyers Club Set up by Thad & WCR now the PWRA.
How much do you get paid for each member?
Chris Offered me $50.00 bucks I asked him to donate to my charities instead, that never happened.
Clear Shine
New member
Ron, I have no idea what you mean by "who are these success time testing professionals that have proven these products in the pressure washing industry?"......you simply get benefits for your membership, simple as that. Truthfully, I don't even advertise it anywhere locally, just because I don't want my competition to know about the benefits I am getting.
As for ROI, really couldn't tell you. I don't keep track of numbers that well so I couldn't tell you how much it has increased.
I don't get paid for a single member.....never have. I just see and know a good deal and money saving opportunity when I see it, and am vocal about things I know are a benefit to our community.
To Chris & Thad Respectfully
Thats pretty funny I called you all the time, Chris I have no idea what your thinking but the last conversation with was you calling me asking for 50,000.
I said no, I guess thats when you decided I was of no use to you. Makes me wonder how many partners you really have.
Thad's your knew one in this Venture, he forgets in his he told me he collects commissions off sales at WCR. Which is all ok, but do not pretend to be a contractor when you just a sales person for equipment. Be honest about what your doing and un-front with people. You do not need to prop people online to push your products giving everyone kick Backs.
Good luck with the buyers Club, stop calling it and org or even and association. Its mis-leading, associations orgs dollars come back to members 100%. Your funds go into your pocket which is ok as long as members understand that your clearly for profit. That means the money they pay goes into your pockets and the vendor stable you have assembled for them to buy from.
The comparison Chart you did with the PWNA & UAMCC is also misleading.
Heres my caparison Chart
PWNA Gross Revenue 200,000 100% directly back to member benefits
UamCC Gross revenue 200,000 100% directly back to member benefits
PWI Gross Revenue Nothing 100% of there efforts here goes back into the members pockets from the information they receive.
PWRA Gross Revenue 200,000 100% of profit back to Thad & Chris Pockets ( Genius Idea)
Please Ask your partner to stop Bashing innuendoes on other forms of media, he was the vice president of the UAMCC. His recent comments are troubling, you folks should be more professional with your words and comparison. after you claim there is no comparison, so maybe you should start by acting professional towards the folks who are mutually your customers and maybe members of other orgs.
Making fun of people who volunteer there time is just a bad thing, I'm offended your partner picks on people for wanting to help. Just because his failure doesn't mean others will fail the UAMCC.
Making fun of certifications also are just bad PR for your company, many industry leaders work hard to raise the standards. When you attack those we all loose, you are becoming responsible for the lowering of standard thus directly creating low ballers in our industry.
I realize for you as a distributor you rely on newbies to make the large purchase from your business. So as many as you can create the better for you, for us who have all been in the industry your association is not helping us. We all know how to make money, your prop guys with brand new equipment the best in the window cleaning industry. They may have never washed a window. Hows is that helping us?
Yes PWI has trained people the right way, thus raising the standards which in return raises prices. You care nothing about that, this is why you have blocked me even talking to you about training and certification.
I expect you will change your mind on this after the PWNA & UAMCC models the program for you to knock off.
See Chris you a good Copy cat, but copy cat is all you are. Nothing your doing will have a long lasting benefit to others.
Here's example, new contractors joins. he has been a member and obtained all your pre templates. Figures out he can get the printing at the same rate, you want 199.99 renew. You have run out of benefits to keep him there?
I know your not worried about that senairo because your focus is on the NEW guy who wants to believe you will make him rich. You will sell him equipment and the cycle continues.
Thats pretty funny I called you all the time, Chris I have no idea what your thinking but the last conversation with was you calling me asking for 50,000.
I said no, I guess thats when you decided I was of no use to you. Makes me wonder how many partners you really have.
Thad's your knew one in this Venture, he forgets in his he told me he collects commissions off sales at WCR. Which is all ok, but do not pretend to be a contractor when you just a sales person for equipment. Be honest about what your doing and un-front with people. You do not need to prop people online to push your products giving everyone kick Backs.
Good luck with the buyers Club, stop calling it and org or even and association. Its mis-leading, associations orgs dollars come back to members 100%. Your funds go into your pocket which is ok as long as members understand that your clearly for profit. That means the money they pay goes into your pockets and the vendor stable you have assembled for them to buy from.
The comparison Chart you did with the PWNA & UAMCC is also misleading.
Heres my caparison Chart
PWNA Gross Revenue 200,000 100% directly back to member benefits
UamCC Gross revenue 200,000 100% directly back to member benefits
PWI Gross Revenue Nothing 100% of there efforts here goes back into the members pockets from the information they receive.
PWRA Gross Revenue 200,000 100% of profit back to Thad & Chris Pockets ( Genius Idea)
Please Ask your partner to stop Bashing innuendoes on other forms of media, he was the vice president of the UAMCC. His recent comments are troubling, you folks should be more professional with your words and comparison. after you claim there is no comparison, so maybe you should start by acting professional towards the folks who are mutually your customers and maybe members of other orgs.
Making fun of people who volunteer there time is just a bad thing, I'm offended your partner picks on people for wanting to help. Just because his failure doesn't mean others will fail the UAMCC.
Making fun of certifications also are just bad PR for your company, many industry leaders work hard to raise the standards. When you attack those we all loose, you are becoming responsible for the lowering of standard thus directly creating low ballers in our industry.
I realize for you as a distributor you rely on newbies to make the large purchase from your business. So as many as you can create the better for you, for us who have all been in the industry your association is not helping us. We all know how to make money, your prop guys with brand new equipment the best in the window cleaning industry. They may have never washed a window. Hows is that helping us?
Yes PWI has trained people the right way, thus raising the standards which in return raises prices. You care nothing about that, this is why you have blocked me even talking to you about training and certification.
I expect you will change your mind on this after the PWNA & UAMCC models the program for you to knock off.
See Chris you a good Copy cat, but copy cat is all you are. Nothing your doing will have a long lasting benefit to others.
Here's example, new contractors joins. he has been a member and obtained all your pre templates. Figures out he can get the printing at the same rate, you want 199.99 renew. You have run out of benefits to keep him there?
I know your not worried about that senairo because your focus is on the NEW guy who wants to believe you will make him rich. You will sell him equipment and the cycle continues.
If your recommending a Product you had better make sure its good, what your saying now is you have never used it and have no intention.
Thanks
Guy Blackmon
Roundtable Host 2009
Ron I think you should give this the benefit of the doubt. I know there's some bad blood here but if there is no benefit to the PWRA I'm sure guys will speak up and say so.
I'm more worried about the other crap going on out there that has nothing to do with the PWRA.
I'm more worried about the other crap going on out there that has nothing to do with the PWRA.
There's no Bad Blood Guy, I do not appreciate the un-profesionalism of these individuals.
I can handle the personal Attacks by Them, but leave the other Org's out of the picture. Attempting to discredit others who have helped is wrong.