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I've been asked to bid on a factory building that I think may have asbestos siding on it.

It is covered in heavy mildew. I did a small demo with the hope that this could be soft washed, but no luck. It still required a light pressure wash to clean it up.

I'm in the process of determining what this is, but if anyone has had any experience with it I'd love to know.

Thanks.
 
I've been asked to bid on a factory building that I think may have asbestos siding on it.

It is covered in heavy mildew. I did a small demo with the hope that this could be soft washed, but no luck. It still required a light pressure wash to clean it up.

I'm in the process of determining what this is, but if anyone has had any experience with it I'd love to know.

Thanks.

Chris, how long did you let the chems dwell? (And was it strong enough and how was the temperature outside?) Depending on the severity of mold etc...and whatever different types substraits I'm working with I always notice a big difference in the amount of time it takes for chems to do their job. And this is coming from a very impatient guy. I like INSTANT results but sometimes have to wait.
 
Very hot Larry. I didn't let it dwell ten minutes in 55-60 degree weather.

This is concrete fiber board siding. This was much like spraying hot bleach on concrete. It did turn color, but just like concrete it still took a light pressure wash to get all of the mildew off.

If the siding has asbestos in it is going to depend on the year it was made. I'm still working on finding that out.

Maybe I should be... but I'm not terrified of it If we know what it is and its handled right. I guess I'll find out the facts and go from there.

If anyone else has worked with anything like this let me know.
 
Chris, it sounds like it will work if you adjust your mix ratio and dwell time. You may need to wait till chems almost dry and reapply. It shouldn't be to hard and you can charge a little extra for added time just because it is the "A" word. Sometimes their are some plastics where the mold just grows deep into the pores and no amount of pressure will get it, but chems will do it with more dwell time. I believe this is the same as what Larry is referring to.
 
I would avoid that situation, especially if the paint has any oxidation on it at all.

Several guys tried to clean oxidized houses/buildings and ended up in court and/or paying for paint jobs for the property they tried to clean.

It seems like the asbestos holds onto the mold/mildew/algae stronger than on regular wood,vinyl, and brick surfaces.

I am sure your bleach was hot like you say but did you try the finger test just in case?

The cooler temperature might have slowed down the cleaning process some, it has for me in the past.
 
I would avoid that situation, especially if the paint has any oxidation on it at all.

Several guys tried to clean oxidized houses/buildings and ended up in court and/or paying for paint jobs for the property they tried to clean.

It seems like the asbestos holds onto the mold/mildew/algae stronger than on regular wood,vinyl, and brick surfaces.

I am sure your bleach was hot like you say but did you try the finger test just in case?

The cooler temperature might have slowed down the cleaning process some, it has for me in the past.

You do the finger test? I thought that was MY secret.
 
If it is asbestos siding like they put on homes I would leave it alone. The mildew seems to grow behind the paint. In order to get to it you have to blast it and that takes some of the paint off. If at all possible I would leave it alone.
 
This isn't painted or oxidized. It actually looks just like corrugated metal. Except instead of being metal it the fiber cement material.

Chris, you've done industrial pressure washing haven't you? Have you came across any of this?

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You do the finger test? I thought that was MY secret.

The finger test has been talked about on the bbs for at least 8 years that I know about, not really a secret, most people know about it who have been here for a while or on the other bbs for a number of years.
 
This isn't painted or oxidized. It actually looks just like corrugated metal. Except instead of being metal it the fiber cement material.

Chris, you've done industrial pressure washing haven't you? Have you came across any of this?

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At the refinery there was asbestos insulation, shingles, siding, panels and roofing material that looks like the tin they use on barns with the ripples, kind of like what the sloped sides of a Whataburger building are made of, only asbestos.

We could not use anything that would disturb the surface, honestly they left all that stuff alone unless it was being remediated which involved plastic sheeting around the area, suits, respirators, portable showers, the whole nine yards to deal with the stuff.

If soft-spray chemical cleaning (no pressure at all, like using large fan nozzles for downstreaming like 2525 or 4015 spray nozzles) then I would not touch it. Disturbed asbestos.....you will not see or feel the affects for about 15 or so years, then it is too late, nothing they can do for you. Is the job really worth the risk?

Since the fibers that do the damage to your lungs are tiny, microscopic, you would not know if you disturbed them if you were careful when pressure washing and being that small, they float nicely in the air and unless you are using respirators with the throwaway coveralls/boots and have a portable shower there to rinse off before changing, I would not take the risk.

I had to write the permits for those kinds of jobs but never did them myself, it was the onsite contractors that did those kind of jobs as they were certified, had numerous hours of training and so many hours experience to do the job and it cost way too much for the supplies and equipment for most jobs but when it had to be done, the checkbook was open and people got paid a lot.
 
No problem.

I know a few guys with Mesothelioma and Asbestosis and are dying a slow, painful way due to bad working conditions years ago and not too much thought or knowledge of employee safety.

Hate to see that happen these days, especially to people I know when it could have been prevented or avoided.
 
Not sure breathing would be the hazard when washing asbestos, but rather wash water run off. That's ground contamination of a whole other magnitude. Even if you were able to reclaim, where would you put it? That's Haz Mat big time. It would cost a fortune to dispose of.

Yep, it's a walk away job.


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This isn't painted or oxidized. It actually looks just like corrugated metal. Except instead of being metal it the fiber cement material.Chris, you've done industrial pressure washing haven't you? Have you came across any of this?Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk
Then it is probably not asbestos. If you cleaned down through the surface contaminates, you would probably find a heavy finish coat, much like gelcoat on fiberglass. Is the product itself somewhat tar based in appearance (if you could see a broken edge?). Asbestos based products were not usually formed in a corrugated manner as asbestos, despite its many good properties, does not possess much tensile strength at all.A product named Ondura? Comes to mind.
 
Okay here is the update:

It is called transite and since it was produced before the early 80s it does contain asbestos. Transite means that asbestos is embedded in a product as a reinforcement material.

I spent time on the phone this morning with the engineer over their asbestos program. Little did I know that he had actually watched my demo yesterday. He approved our methods as safe. When I arrived I assumed they were getting 3 bids because there were 2 other demo spots. It turns out neither of those were approved because they relied on high pressure and broke the surface of the material.

I told him my concerns and he basically told me this... First of all the surface of this material is not asbestos. As long as we dont cut it, smash it or break it we are okay. Also when they do remove this stuff water is what they use to control the fibers. So, when we spray this it will be wet and if there was any problem that would solve it.

I was prepared to tell them no thanks, but now that I have the facts I'm okay with it. And I've got a PO # to clean a 3000sf section next week. This will be a trial run for both of us on the rest of the property.
 
Good luck.

Wear proper ppe.
 
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