another reason why you shouldnt use NOS on pressure washer

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timhays

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Well it never fails,about an hour and half into a new job,all of a sudden i lose water pressure. walk around the front of the building and my pressure washer looks as though someone took a hammer to it,muffler on the ground,water spewing out of a broken hose,pump mounting base cracked in ten pieces,and a bent shaft on a 13HP Honda engine. i noticed a couple broke off bolts in the motor as well,dammn those 13hp hondas are mean,
guess i shouldnt have put NOS on it.

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Mind I asking how many hours on that Honda motor and how old it is?

If under warranty I would assume they will cover all damage that was caused by defective motor.

Hope you have a back up or can get up and running soon and that the contractor is an understanding guy.

Jon
 
NOS stands for nitrous oxide systems,just a joke there was no nitrous on it,the pump is still under warranty,the motor however is just out of the two year warranty status,ironically my CAT pump was one month out of warranty when it decided to self destruct.
Today i went and purchased a new machine $6000.00 MI-T-M HD 3505 WITH STEAM UPGRADE. probably paid a little much but needed it now. i was back on the job couple hours later with new machine.
 
hey JON

In NO way will any mfg. warrentee anything other then just what they mfg. And when it comes to HONDA you will be lucky to get that.
On the other hand briggs and stratton stands behind its dealers and if the dealer says its a faulty motor then they ship new that day. Honda wants to inspect it themselfs and then they determin weather to fix or replace. takes about 30 days. Stoped by the local [50 miles away] dealer [landa] and asked why so meny 13 hp motors in the shop he said point blank because they are crap.
On the other hand he was tuning up a 11hp that was 8 years old and said these are damn near bullitproof. Appertly to get the 13 hp all they did was increase the bore and never beefed up anything else.
 
Tim,

That's a good price/quality machine. Only one I found cheaper and was in Iowa. Cost was $5800. I would have bought that machine IF it had a Wayne Burner. Did you go 12v or 120? Which engine did you go with?

Best of Luck with it!
 
Paul,the machine i went with had a 20HP HONDA engine,with BECKETT burner 115 volt with generator,and 300 degree steam option,also the general pump.
All i can say is this machine kicks ass,i turned the heat up to 250
and it eats mortar for breakfast and asks whats for dessert?

CLEAN COUNTY, thanks for your support it is nice to know i made the right decision in such haste.
 
Savings

Hey Tim, you should be able to save loads now that you stopped using NOS. Let me know if you wanna unload the NOS system, have a old unit I wanna try it on. Just kidding, nice to meet you as well.
 
Tim,

I don't know why but, I just prefer Wayne over Beckett burners (not so much that I would be willing to pay a lot more for it though). If I wasn't able to get the Hydro-Tek for the same price as the MI-T-M, that 3505 would be sitting on my trailer right now. The machine you bought is the exact configuration I was going to go with. It's actually a little more stout than the one I bought but, there were some other reasons that made me decide on Hydro-Tek.

I believe you'll get years of excellent service out of that bad boy!

Good Luck and be careful. Hey, if you blast any holes in that mortar it could get more expensive then running NOS!
 
The pictures absolutely prove why it is always better to buy a belt drive machine. When one component failed, the other went with it. Usually when a flange fails like that it is an overspeed situation which caused excessive heat build up. I cannot blame Honda for wanting to examine the unit to see if it is their fault nor can I blame the pump manufacturer. All pump/ engine combinations are designed and built to run within a narrow range of performance values, to alter them leads to problems. Honda now insists on testing anything that has their engines attached for all performance factors like emmissions, vibration, heat etcetera.

We have sold thousands of 13 HP Honda units and have not experienced undue problems with reliability.

However, with the 20 HP units we did experience some interesting things: it appears they were originally built with splash lubrication then changed to pressurized; early run models had a plastic paddle inside that usually melted at ~300 hours siezing the motor. Honda eventually covered that under warranty. Another thing related to this engine is it is EXTREMELY sensitive to oil level in the crankcase. Moderate overfilling will cause blowback through the carb and eventually choke off the engine and requiring a non-warranty cleaning. Unlike the 11 and 13 HP units this engine in NOT equipped with an 'Oil Sentry' shut down, merely and oil alert; so make sure you check your oil level in this engine every time you start it and do not overfill.

Like any other product the warranty and after sale service is only as good as the person doing it. I know of a situation in Wisconsin where an end user could not get timely, accurate warranty service on their Kohler engine. The irony is he lives 20 miles (32 km) from the town of Kohler (World H/Q).

You never pay too much but you can pay too little. If you pay too little you can lose it all and need to retain some extra for just such an eventuality. If you can do that then you can afford to spend more. Like the Fram commercial; "Pay me now or pay me later." Remember that Rolex has a 90 day warranty, Rolls-Royce has less coverage than Hyundai; so quality never has to worry about warranty (if it is wrong it will be made right).

Cheers.
 
Tim, I have a question about your "eating mortar" comment. I think you are saying that at elevated temps you are able to soften the mortar and remove it more effectively. Is that true? If so, are you concerned about softening the mortar joints? B2
 
Bill,
the first four feet up this particular building is precast concrete with a rough finish,these mason are the worst i have ever seen,i have never seen such a mess to clean,the hot water took the mortar off this area and the brick much faster and easier than the day before when i used cold water,no damage was done to the joints. much more effective,just dont dwell on one area to long.
today i worked 12 hours (including lunch time) and i cleaned 6500 square foot of brick(that whole 24 foot wall you see in the upper photo) used a lift for the top portion.

Michael,i am glad you forwarned me about the non existant low oil shutoff switch,i will keep check on the oil.
the company i bought the machine from took a little oil out of my machine before we cranked it.
one thing that i cant figure out is the k5 unloader keeps unloading every 60 seconds or so,only with the extension wand with the 1/4 line. we put oversize nozzles in it which made it better,but it hasnt gone away.

Paul, trust me i cant afford to do any more damage.
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Briggs and Stratton

I have to disagree with the guy that likes Briggs over Honda. I have both. Only had one go out(the Briggs). Only a year old, it broke a rod. They sent someone here and didn't warranty it. Will not buy any more Briggs.
 
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