Alan Simpson Senator from Wyoming

The Cleaner

The Cleaner

Vetran Washer 30 Years Plus
This piece of garbage had the ball's to call senior citizens the Greediest Generation ! He compared Social Security to a Milk Cow with 310 Million teats.

This prick has been on the public tit for 50 YEARS !!! I have been paying Taxes since I am 16 yrs old. Millions of Americans have been paying into SS for years and it was safely tucked away in a interest bearing account for decades until these pukes decided to raid the account and give it to a bunch of zero ambition losers in return for VOTES !! thus bankrupting the system and turning it into a Ponzi scheme Bernie would be proud of.

Then these guy's have the ball's to move the retirement age to 65 then 67 and now they want to move it again. They have done the same crap with Medicare by screwing up other parts of the economy by mismanaging the funds and now they need Medicare's money as well. These incompetant Bastards spent thier way into this black hole with our money and thier only answer is more taxes and more spending.

They call us Greedy !! How much money has this scumbag earned for his incompetant, pathetic 50 yr career? How about there retirement and health benifits for life including thier spouse or gay lover (Barney) !! I wonder what cuts in there benifits or retirement they are willing to take? Or is it buisness as usual by exempting yourselves and your political cronies. You and yours have Bankrupted America....You know it ! We know it ! And you know we know it !! M----- F----- Most of this was an answer given by a Retiree to Senator A-Hole.

Regards and best wishes
The Cleaner
 
I agree with the Senator...seniors are greedy as hell. They are the ones who voted people in who continually changed social security from a safety net for a select few to the entitlement of millions.

Did last generation of seniors expect the government to pay for their medicine, food, retirement? Now we have an entire country that simply chooses to save NOTHING and believe this lie of a "lockbox" for social security.
 
Kory said:
Nick did you snipes that?
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Whats a snipes ? Who cares if it's exact or not, these politicians are all a bunch of criminals !!
 
That's a Wesley Snipes. Kory means did you make sure the information was as accurate as tax information that landed Wesley in the joint. :) rotflmao!

I think he meant snopes.

Regardless, it's time to stop paying our foreign debt. They gambled on our success and lost.
 
bigchaz said:
I agree with the Senator...seniors are greedy as hell. They are the ones who voted people in who continually changed social security from a safety net for a select few to the entitlement of millions.
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I'm with Charlie on this one! I say forget raising the age, cut it cold turkey back dated yesterday and put stop payment on all checks that are out. Sure, you paid in all your life. I have since I was 14. But, the "senior" generation was involved in electing the crooks that took SS out of the "trust fund" and put it in the general fund. The money was already spent on them! It paved the roads they drove on and gave them a self-righteous relief from guilt through welfare programs (would have been cheaper through private charitable contributions!). They elected politicians that SPENT their retirement. That's what a representative government is!

It's a lot like Greece and their debt woes. The youth are revolting, which sounds immature (and is), and the reason is that the state is no longer giving them hand outs (entitlement demanding socialists)! But, the "reason" the state can't give the youth what they demand is because they have to pay the debt the older generation accumulated to get what they demanded. If the senior generation had not rung up so much debt, the current government revenues would be able to offer the new generation much more than they can get now (not all they want, so they would accumulate debt too, but that's the problem with socialism)...

A similar thing is happening in the US now! The youth are paying about 15% of their earnings just to support the older generation who DID NOT SAVE for themselves! Because SS has been out of the "retirement savings business" for decades now, the senior generation shouldn't expect it to suddenly be put back in! Especially since they took part in taking it out! Seniors borrowed from their retirement and never repaid it! If the youth didn't have to repay their parents/grandparents debt to their retirement, we would be in one of the best financial situations on the planet (not sure this statement passes snopes)!
 
I visited a relative who has three kids on social security because her husband died. (she's only 42) That social security was a God-send at first. Now it's a crutch.

She's mad like Nick about this but what she told her kids says a lot - goes like this:

She told them both (one 23 and the other 21) that if the government doesn't send her checks they will have to start paying their own bills including their new car payments, insurance and gas and they will have to go out and get a job like everybody else.

Her husband passed away 7 years ago. Like I said, that social security was a Godsend at first, but now both of those kids AND the mother have gone to college for free. They have lived on almost $5k per month in payments and still work part time for extra spending money.

Is this what social security was designed for? This is the fourth new car this SS has paid off. How many people buy four new cars in 7 years?

This is not about the little piddly $900 or so my mom gets per month (age 73) - the problem is a lot deeper than that.

Not every senior voted for these morons to spend all the money. I know my mom never did. Social Security for seniors can't be cut off cold turkey. We aren't left with enough money to help them live (we, being earners) after taxes.

Payments to the young can be cut off.
All payments to foreigners of any kind should be cut NOW (and that include repayments of debts - WE ARE BANKRUPT!!!!! - What is so hard to understand about that?
All research grants BYE BYE
All environmental programs BYE BYE
All new construction BYE BYE

The bubble of government "creating" jobs MUST BURST!!!!! and it must burst SOON to minimize the damage.

We have tried it over and over again throughout our history and all it has done is postpone the inevitable.

That's my 2 cents.
 
There needs to be an option for young people like myself to opt out of social security permanently, where you sign away any rights to receive it in the future. Would need to be some sort of exchange since the government already knows we wont' get it but need the funds to pay current obligations, so either credit any social security tax payments off any income taxes due or do some sort of reduced rate thing or payment period. Not really sure what would work but I would gladly PAY to opt out of the social security system all together.
 
Term limits and get rid of life time bennies for Congress & Senate

Funny thing is everyone wants cuts but not to what they like. I bet 90% or more who say cut now will cry if they don't get SS medicare etc. Medical is outrageous now. I remember when you could have a $7.00 $8.00hr job and have full medical. Heck that was 30 years ago and they still have the jobs paying $7-$8 and hour, but now you have to pay for your own medical or like most NO medical and then you go into ER for free medical and we all pay for it any way

Health care is screwed up. I would have my wife not work but her job carries our medical. I wanted to have her be a stay home Mom and help with my biz, but couldnt get Medical coverage because she has preexisting condition. I could get coverage it was super high and wouldnt cover her preexsisting. Now its not some super expensive preexsisting but they wouldnt cover it or anything simular.

Check this out. She had postpartum after our first child 8 years ago and she still needs a pill every evening otherwise she gets crazy mood swings, its the postpartum still. SOOOO no big deal I talk to my agent. I'll pay the $150 a month for the pills myself. BUT my agent says since postpartum is a Mental Disorder the Health Insurances will NEVER cover ANY mental issues or disorder. WTF I said. Now my wife isnt nuts or anything, has NO history at all of any kind of mental disorder BUT what if something happens later in life. Mental issues are many things according to my agent. Nervous break down, some side effects of menopause, Alzheimer, dementia, anxiety the list is HUGE. Its not right, NO history of mental disorders other than postpartum and we cant get anything covered for the rest of her life

So then my agent says put her under a JL Pressure Washing company policy. Great I say....NOPE, if I offer her health policy as a JL employee I have to offer it to all employees, I say GREAT, I have no problem with that and I will pay half the policy price for ANY employee that wants it. WELLLLLLLLL I ask all my crew, all young guys that could care less about medical and they arent going to pay the other half.

So you say OK, just have to cover my wife as an employee NOPE, if I have 7 employees at least 4 or 5 have to sign up for the policy, Insurance company rule. I cant get fricking coverage health insurance for my company so it would cover my wife unless I pay 100% for all 7 employees. It would be thousands a months. I pay now a personal plan for my foreman 100% and its $3400 a year. I can not afford to pay for 7 employees. Heck washing rates have gone down around here, there's just no way

So instead of my wife being able to be a stay home Mom, which would be great for my kids, heck if more Moms could be stay home moms it would be great for all kids and this country. So she cant be a stay home mom and she can't help with my biz hardly

SCREW Alan Simpson, he's been living off FREE everything most of his life. He's the whiner

People need health care, many need many of the benefits this country can offer, but they just keep making it harder and harder and taking away more and more

Like I said many who say cut this and that, when they need something someday and find out its been CUT and no longer available, its going to be a rude awakening
 
Jeff, find a dr who likes cash. We've done it for 14 years now.

We have a couple of them for backup. We spend about $1000 or so per year (including some trades).
Our ins would be over $500/mo otherwise just for Shelly and Fayth.

We've saved $70k over 14 years like this.

I have full va coverage. They can take it away whenever they like. I'm a big boy, I will adapt and use our cash doctors.

Fayth's birth was billed at $24k when they thought it was going to be paid by ins. I offered them $6k or nothing (bluff) they accepted a little over $8k cash and gave me reciepts showing paid in full. It wasn't easy because there were so many entities involved. We didn't have to worry about our credit because in NV they cant report late as long as ANY payment is being made so I paid them all $5/mo till they settled.

These prices dont have to be so high. Government mandates and insurance lobbies have done this to us, helped by the "everyone owes me" mentality of this generation.

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I'm with Jeff, I cant drop my insurance now or switch because we also have pre existing conditions as well. They got us by the nut's no matter how u look at it, I started 15 yrs ago paying $750.00 bi-monthly for Blue Cross & blue Shield of Florida. I am now up to $2500.00 bi-monthly for the same policy just me and my wife. If I drop it and shop around no one will take us or if they do it will be double what im paying now.

SS is not so much the issue in this post for me as the ball's of this pathetic senator calling the Greatest Generatin GREDDY, These people have given so much to make this country great.
 
The Cleaner said:
I'm with Jeff, I cant drop my insurance now or switch because we also have pre existing conditions as well. They got us by the nut's no matter how u look at it, I started 15 yrs ago paying $750.00 bi-monthly for Blue Cross & blue Shield of Florida. I am now up to $2500.00 bi-monthly for the same policy just me and my wife. If I drop it and shop around no one will take us or if they do it will be double what im paying now.

SS is not so much the issue in this post for me as the ball's of this pathetic senator calling the Greatest Generatin GREDDY, These people have given so much to make this country great.
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Simpson is nothing but a crabby, greedy piece of chit. What nerve, a guy thats lived off our teat for 50 years to call like you say Nick our Greatest Generation, folks that built our country, went through the depression, fought huge world wars, Korean War, Vietnam. He's calls them greedy, what a joke he is
 
15k a year Nick?? Is there a reason you don't drop it, save the money and pay cash for doctors?
 
bigchaz said:
15k a year Nick?? Is there a reason you don't drop it, save the money and pay cash for doctors?
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I had 3 major procedures in the last few years and I seen what it would have cost me. It sucks but at 51 yrs old it is hard to get any type of affordable insurance, I guess I will keep layin it out until it get's un affordable.
 
bigchaz said:
15k a year Nick?? Is there a reason you don't drop it, save the money and pay cash for doctors?
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LMAO, nice that you are young Charlie, but I guess with youth you are a little naive too. Charlie when you are older you may learn what most already know. Medical is expensive and if you drop your health care at any time you may not be able to get it back. Health care is insurance that covers you in case you need it. Charlie buddy, I now understand some of your views and the way you see things, you are looking at them with 24 year old eyes and very little experience.

ONE major medical problem, heck can cost 15K, 25K, 50K, 100K. Even IF you were lucky and the doctor only cost 15k, you could have tests costing 10's of thousands of dollars. Just ordinary test you may have costs of 10's of thousands every year. I was having chest pains, what do I call a cardiologist and say " Hey I m having chest pains, I have no health insurance and I want to pay cash" Oh ya and I dont want to pay full price. Its not the real world. If I was having a heart attack, I could die or just go to the emergency room with no insurance and let everyone else pay

Charlie testing costs a lot 15K sometimes is a drop in the bucket and MOST people want to live, If Nick or I drop all health care or get some cheap plan, we could die or go broke. I think I have heard that many bankruptcies are caused by people not being able to pay their medical bills

Charlie, what kind of medical does your parents have? They must be getting up their in age what are they in their 40's. Would you want them NOT to be covered under a medical plan and die or go broke. Maybe they are covered by work, not always an option for most people nowadays, maybe they bank money now and havent had to use it yet, but when they do, it may run out fast. Maybe they have no medical problems yet.

Charlie your young eyes dont know what they dont see now. My mother had lung cancer 6 years ago, she had to have the lower right lobe of her lung taken out, if she didnt have Medicare and secondary Blue Cross Blue Shield she would be one of two things.....either broke OR dead. Unfortunitly she got lung cancer back one year ago. They cant cut it out this time, its going to kill her, but now she goes for Chemo and is still living and loving me, my brother , my wife and kids. She goes for chemo every 3-4 weeks, its a platinum chemo, actually made out of platinum and its completly stopped the growth of the cancer now for one year. Each platinum treatment cost TEN THOUSAND dollars not counting the CT scans she has to do every 3 months, the blood work she does every 3 week and the doctors visit costs

Saving say 15K and pay cash isnt an option.

You will learn as you get older the will to live and not wanting to give up just die is a strong thing.

I ahve medical bills every year anywhere from 15k - 70K or more some years for me and my family. I cant be without medical insurance, I wouldnt smart, I wouldn't be a good husband or Dad. My wife just had her appendix out, haven't got those bills yet and heck she's only 31

I wish I was 24 again like you Charlie, but I'm not and I live in the real world. Some day Charlie, you might thank God that you have Medicare

Good luck buddy, stay healthy
 
I'm not saying that's what anyone should do I was just curious. From you perspective Jeff I mean it hardly seems fair to complain Jeff if you are receiving 70k in medical care a year and yet you pay but a portion of that in premiums. Lucky you, thats 1000% return on investment no wonder you support the system so much. But because for everyone like you getting infiniate amount more out of the system than you put in you have people who pay infinitely more than they will ever recieve. So it only makes sense for someone like myelf to consider a different option be it cash or HSA (albeit while staying responsible) and not just spending the money.

And obviously I'm not the only one who sees the problem there, now the government has to step in with Obamacare to force young people into paying for a system they don't use. All to cover folks like you who no offense have probably made less than stellar lifestyle choices be it smoking or drinking or whatnot.
 
bigchaz said:
I'm not saying that's what anyone should do I was just curious. From you perspective Jeff I mean it hardly seems fair to complain Jeff if you are receiving 70k in medical care a year and yet you pay but a portion of that in premiums. Lucky you, thats 1000% return on investment no wonder you support the system so much. But because for everyone like you getting infiniate amount more out of the system than you put in you have people who pay infinitely more than they will ever recieve. So it only makes sense for someone like myelf to consider a different option be it cash or HSA (albeit while staying responsible) and not just spending the money.

And obviously I'm not the only one who sees the problem there, now the government has to step in with Obamacare to force young people into paying for a system they don't use. All to cover folks like you who no offense have probably made less than stellar lifestyle choices be it smoking or drinking or whatnot.
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LMAO cover folks like me Ha Ha Ha. Even an angel and other angels like you get sick and if its serious you are going to go to the system to save your life if you dont have coverage or cant afford it. No offense just funny. Many like YOU die every day and many like you have medical coverage and they thank God they do. You will never be rich being a woodie pressure washer and even with possibly investing Charlie and you will need medical coverage someday that you just can't afford. Charlie someday if you ever get married and have children and one of them get sick or real sick you will be part of the system, all the praying in the world many times can't cure what a doctor and tests can.

Charlie, if you don't mind or if you know, what do your parents and if your grandparents are still alive what do they do or did for medical coverage/ What kind of coverage have you had since you were born and living with your parents. Do you still live with your parents?

Medical costs are outrageous and its not like the old days, most can't take the risk of not having coverage. God works in strange ways, maybe God wants everyone to have coverage and maybe you are working against what God wants, just a thought.

Who's to say how much you will receive someday, thats just niave to think you may not need big buck medical care some day, could be next year, a decade from now or in your senior years. Hopefully never Charlie, but you have no clue what kind of medical issues you will have. I was the same way when I was your age, could of cared less about coverage, that all changes when you are married with kids and getting older
 
Dont have to be an asshole about it Jeff, I just asked a question to Nick, seemed like a lot to pay so he explained why. You do what you gotta do, I'm just saying don't complain if insurance is the greatest thing since sliced bread for you. Obviously it's worth it for you so whats the problem. Do you brow beat your employees as well since they choose not to sign up?
 
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