Could Foaming be impacted by the shortage of water?

Actually with foam I use far far less water to clean a system. I find we rinse the sytem off with the water rather than use alot of water to blast the grease or char off.
 
I would think that property/business owners would cut out cleaning their superficial "flatwork" because of any water shortages way before they would want to cut out something so vidal as cleaning their kitchen exhaust system with one of the best methods availible. And like Alexy said, with foam I use far less water than I did before foam. Here is an example.

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HotShot_Anthony said:
I would think that property/business owners would cut out cleaning their superficial "flatwork" because of any water shortages way before they would want to cut out something so vidal as cleaning their kitchen exhaust system with one of the best methods availible. And like Alexy said, with foam I use far less water than I did before foam. Here is an example.
Anthony, you should do your home work. Wal-marts and other stores and restaurants have been closed do to health reasons by ordinance do to contaminated areas exterior. (no to even mention the interior areas)

Unlike un-regulated KEC the citys and countys in arizona have a dept that controls germs. Most citys across the us have a vector control dept.

KEC are luckly because ultimatly water does not have to be a part of the process. Scrappers when water is short can be used to clean thus reducing the water or foam that is used.
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Under the federal 4 stage plans for water conservation that are followed by any municipality that recieves water from a federal source ( River with a waterflow managed by army core of engineers, or a water source that crosses state lines) they will require a vote by the state or city or county to implement. Even under those restrictions it is specificly stated that water use for commercial cleaning for health and safety shall be be considered as an essentail service. Ornamental watering and cleaning IS considered non-essental. So if you are removing gum from the front sidewalks yes you will be effected at stage 4 if you are cleaning a dumpster pad or the KEC system you are exempt.
 
Thanks for the post Alexy, We all pretty much know that info. We have been discussing it on multible forums for weeks now.

What we are trying pose is reduction, solving the earths problems for the future of the children.

If we scrape the hoods more then we could save water and reduce the effects on the eviroment. ( no the quetsion for the experts is could the KEC still be safe enough if this process was done?)

I have e-mail some of the indsutrys experts in this field who have wriiten and created some of the materials you at the TGP are using currently.

Basically the manuals you have sworn to enforce. ( are you sworn in at TGP) ??????
 
KEC are luckly because ultimatly water does not have to be a part of the process. Scrappers when water is short can be used to clean thus reducing the water or foam that is used.
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Lord, talk about someone needing to do their homework.
Germs and mold can be killed with with the proper chemicals. The dumpster pad, side walk, siding may not look very good but the germs will be dead. No pressure washer/water needed. Will the germs and mold come back quicker because those areas were not cleaned, probably, just apply another dose of the proper chemical.

Now you go to town on the absolute simplest KEC system with just a scraper and Ill show you a system that does not meet code.
 
Ron Musgraves said:
The old conventional ways may be the wave of the future as water is getting scarce.
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This may be true if your stuck in the past. Only someone uneducated in the modern methods of KEC cleaning would think you need a big bad azz pw to get the job done.

Pressure washers are fuel and water hogs. Ive seen many posts of flatworkers bragging about their 5000 psi 10 gpm machines. Very few places Ive been to have a water supply that can keep up with that. Whats the answer? 1000 gallon water tanks mounted to gigantic gas guzzling trucks.

I would imagine you flatworkers are just as intelligent as us hood cleaners (well maybe not). Weve come up with methods that have drastically cut our water and fuel consumption, surely flatworkers can strive to do that as well.
 
RMedbery said:
This may be true if your stuck in the past. Only someone uneducated in the modern methods of KEC cleaning would think you need a big bad azz pw to get the job done.

Pressure washers are fuel and water hogs. Ive seen many posts of flatworkers bragging about their 5000 psi 10 gpm machines. Very few places Ive been to have a water supply that can keep up with that. Whats the answer? 1000 gallon water tanks mounted to gigantic gas guzzling trucks.

I would imagine you flatworkers are just as intelligent as us hood cleaners (well maybe not). Weve come up with methods that have drastically cut our water and fuel consumption, surely flatworkers can strive to do that as well.
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You guys i thought foamed primarily. WHOS pressure washing? You have me confused.

This is the Institutes KEC forum. Most here use many tools to clean KE Systems.

Please reffer to NFPA for advice.

This discussion is about the part a KEC can do to reduce water usage.
 
Roger, so you understand PWI is the institute for PW cleaning. PW are use as a form of only one tool that KEC use.

This is why we have a forum with experts in the industry on to further deliver the correct knowledge.

Roger , just curious if you have any certification or any other formal training?

I myself come from the school of self teaching research and home schooling.

Please when your posting remain focused that all listeners are not experts or claim to be.

PWI is the place that searches for the best results and different results.
 
Pressure washers are fuel and water hogs. Ive seen many posts of flatworkers bragging about their 5000 psi 10 gpm machines. Very few places Ive been to have a water supply that can keep up with that. Whats the answer? 1000 gallon water tanks mounted to gigantic gas guzzling trucks.
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Yes I have seen these gas guzzling trucks you speak of. I have converted to alternatives and we are improving them daily. I too work closely with some local manufactures in the designs of some state or art stuff we will be demonstrating in a couple months.

Please understand that PWI again only wants the best sources.

You present that TGS logo in your signature; if you want people to respect you and customers to take you seriously you need to handle interlocutions a bit differently.


Your TGP members have been wonderful and I have enjoyed quite professional posts from many of your members. So if your problem is with me or PWI please except the apology. If you cannot accept the apology then I would just refrain from remarks and keep your posting on point and professional.
 
Well from the first post it apprears that you think that foaming is all that is done. The systems are still serviced the same scraping heavy buildup down to a manageable level using the same chems. Foam is not a new way to clean a system merely a medium to hold the same chemicals in suspension for longer on surfaces allowing them to work much more effectively since they are held in suspension by the foam against the grease. This works particularly effective on verticle surfaces where a straight chemical soulution would merely run down the verticle face with little interaction between the chem and it's target.
There are many instances where foam can be used exclusively on a system cleaning it very quickly with little water needed to take off grease since the water is merely pushing the now dissolved grease off the duct rather than using a higher quanity of water to push the grease off or down a duct saving water and chemical in the process.
As far as water reduction the federal EPA and Army corps of engineer guidelines are that merely guidelines that municipalities are encouraged to follow to reduce water. If you note the GA debate is actually why the ACoA has actually still allowed the draining of lake Lanier to satisfy Federal Wildlife Management mandates for mussels and a few other creatures that need the water flow rather than focus on the human needs for the water in the lake.
Local municipalities have enacted rules to limit water usage as they see fit to thier unique situations. To be quite honest if the cleaning buisness is impacted by the reduction of water I would say there is a good case for relief under FEMA disaster aid asstance ( drought is coverd) here is the link
http://www.fema.gov/assistance/process/additional.shtm#1
Additionly aid is available through unemployment asstance and your workmans comp can be used in situations where a municipality has shut your livelyhood down for a valid legal reason other than no fault of your own ( I don't think we have the corner on making rain)
 
I have seen kitchen exhaust systems cleaned with the same amount of water it takes to flush a toilet, using the foam. So I can't imagine that any water restrictions would effect the foaming process.

The old methods of scraping have proved ineffective in removing all of the grease from an exhaust system to NFPA 96 standards. I have a powerpoint presentation done by a lawyer who sued a local fire suppression company after they scraped an exhaust system, and the restaurant had a fire shortly after. If this system had been cleaned properly, the fire would not have spread, and by properly I mean with chemicals and water instead of manual scraping.

Below is another example of the same company who employs scraping as their primary method of cleaning. At first glance everything looks ok, but when you actually look up the ducts, you can see that they system is not cleaned, and when other hidden areas of the system are opened, there is even more residue. This particular place was ordered to have it cleaned properly by the fire department, maybe ordered is too harsh, but it was highly recommended. The fact that the company was just there to clean it, is living proof that scraping is an inadequate method of cleaning.

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Ive been nothing but professional oh master of instigation. The only reason I referenced flatworkers was to point out that if they would follow the lead of the modern educated KEC industry they too could drastically reduce their not only water but fuel consumption as well.

My over all point is, at most on an average job I may use 30 - 40 gallons of water. How long does one of your crews take to go through that much water? 4 minutes?

Perhaps the question should be "Hey, what are you KEC guys doing to conserve so much water?"
 
Russ S said:
just for fun , there are ways to clean an entire parking deck with less than 300 gallons of water , wash recovery systems are the way of the future , and I as well as many plan to convert my equipment as well , its faster and more efficient , I have even used foam on flat surfaces as well
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Now there ya go. A parking deck is how many thousand square feet? Using 300 gallons to clean that I bet your gallons used per square foot cleaned would be substantially less than mine. Are you talking about one of those zero turn mowers converted to a riding pw with vac and water filtration?
 
And when a KEC company is cleaning who will check to see anything? If they were to pull over and check every business with a service type vehicle out front on a shift that usually is a skeleton crew anyway then they will be very busy.

While some cleaning is cosmetic, a lot is for health. Business as usual, water shortage or not.
 
RMedbery said:
Now there ya go. A parking deck is how many thousand square feet? Using 300 gallons to clean that I bet your gallons used per square foot cleaned would be substantially less than mine. Are you talking about one of those zero turn mowers converted to a riding pw with vac and water filtration?
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That will work too , I am not in the position to invest that type of money , but you can easily cut water usage if you recover you waste water as you go
 
Ron Musgraves said:
Thanks for the post Alexy, We all pretty much know that info. We have been discussing it on multible forums for weeks now.


I have e-mail some of the indsutrys experts in this field who have wriiten and created some of the materials you at the TGP are using currently.

Basically the manuals you have sworn to enforce. ( are you sworn in at TGP) ??????
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Where is the discussion? I can't find it.
 
How do you clean the fans with the foam-it would seem that would be a problem with regard to setup. Pulling that equipment up to the roof would take some time.
 
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