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Palmetto Roof

Palmetto Roof

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I just found out all the roof cleaning forums are closed to search engines in PWI due to some disagreement with Chris Tucker and some of the local Florida boys who have started trouble in the Tampa area. This decision upsets me very much! I have spent hours and hours on this site doing post and reading to better myself and to help other. Not to mention the hours I have spent on the phone with so many of the roof cleaning companies that post here so we could help offer knowlage, explain stuff, trade recipies, and ask questions.
With all the roof cleaning forums closed that is going to mess up all of our weblinks! When yahoo and google crawl the links they are going to think our individual sites are trying to fool the system and we will not pull up in there searches any more! This is like taking food off my table! Im pretty pissed about this! I have spent hundreds of hours working on my web page and most is due to help from Chris Tucker. So why is Chris Tucker the bad guy in this? He has helped us out in so many ways, and not to mention all the other companies around the United States he has helped. I don't think a guy who has been cleaning roofs for 18 years or so who has his stuff together and is so willing to help others is a bad guy! Why don't we let Chris as the roof expert take care of the problems in his forums. Im in SC and I can see how many of his local competiters come over to mess with his post! Its all about the money down there! Anyways what do we have to do to get this forum opened very quickly before yahoo and google crawl and screw up our individual company websites search ratings that feed our families???? I think This is a huge mistake! You all know me I like to keep out of trouble, I hate to write such a negative post here, but I feel like Im being stabbed in the back here. I do feel like someone had to stand up and say something about this. This affects every roof cleaner on this board! Not just Chris and who ever has beef with him!

I have treated this board like family, and gave the up most respect I could to help anyone. And this is whats we all get.

Ron once said as his quote " PWI is run by others and they often dont share my views. Often I'm corrected by other Staff members. If you disagree with me please dont let my opionion affect your views of PWI. I one man with one mind, PWI has many. I truly believe that this is power in numbers. i hope we can all assit in helping each other build better business."

I think there are other point of view that need to be heard beside his local competitors that complain about him all the time!

I hate to come at people with problems without a solution, so here is an idea or two. 1. Take a vote on keeping Chris Tucker, 2. Let Chris control his own part of the roof cleaning forum. 3. All the roof cleaners who Chris has helped step in and defend his name and your websites.

Sorry if I am out of line, but I have been dragged into this and Im standing up now!
 
I must of missed something? But i do 2nd the motion on Chris. He has always been a great help as far as I'm concerned??
 
Russ is running the show, he made and adminstrative decision.

I do know this, way too much time being spent with this roof stuff.

Grant, Scott & myself are past admins. We only give guidence and help assist with some trivial things.

Russ has to make this call, its silly that it has come to this.
 
I stand with Jeffery and Nick. Chris has been nothing but helpful to me and many others. If the roof cleaning forums have been closed to the major search engines then what Jeffery says is true! Google will think that i am jacking with the system and pull my page from the top of search results. I believe that Chris should be allowed to moderate his own forum, and that all of the posts that have been made in any of these forums be made available to the search engines. My signature has my website in it for a reason...so that i have more links pointing to my website!!! if you remove this then you are STEALING from me!! I dedicate time to this board, just like jeffery and chris and many others. This board is supposed to help all of us. I do not care if other ppl bicker but do not mess with my livelyhood. Removing my signature from all my posts here in the forums removes my visibility to the rest of the world...and that is not ok by me. I agree with jeffery on methods to resolve this problem.

Chris tucker is no bad guy i dont care what others may say. Any one that takes time away from his successful business to train those of us that are just getting started is not a bad man.

There is no chaos here on the roof cleaning forum, nor in Chris' forum.

If I speak amiss than I am sorry. this board has been nothing but good to me, and i do not expect that it should change because of backroom politics.
 
Here is my suggestion to all in the roof cleaning area , if you dont like it all of you should work together and get this situation worked out it IS OLD ! I clean roofs as well so it effects me too but this board and others are being adversly effected by all this drama, it is very unprofessional and I no longer have the time or energy to baby sit grown men , so that being said this situuation has been discussed BY Ron and myself and this is what I came up with and wow looks like it may have just gotten some attention, if all of you wish for things to be like you want them I suggest you erase the lines you have drawn for yourselves in the sand, quit taking sides and come up with some type of resolution ..... it is real simple ........... WORK IT OUT I have been dealing with this for 3 years now
 
Russ Spence said:
I have been dealing with this for 3 years now
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I forget that the new guys don't know the whole history of this mess and how long it has dragged out.

New guys- there is a lot more going on here than just what you see on the board and I ask that you keep that in mind when forming opinions and making statements.
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Thad said:
I forget that the new guys don't know the whole history of this mess and how long it has dragged out.

New guys- there is a lot more going on here than just what you see on the board and I ask that you keep that in mind when forming opinions and making statements.:cool:
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I agree Thad.
Many don't know the full history in this topic and are forming their opinions based on reading a few months worth of posts and hearing only one side of the story from a few phone calls.
When people play the blame game they aren't sharing the fact they are also part of the problem.It's high time some took a long look in the mirror to see if they aren't at fault for some of what they are dealing with.
If you guys are relying solely on the crawls of PWI to get your sites ranked you have more serious issue.You should be promoting your website on numerous platforms to keep hits and rankings constant.
The biggest point being missed here is Ron owns the server this site runs on and Russ admins it and they ultimately don't have to give anyone a reason for the things they do where PWI is concerned.
 
So whats it going to take for some to put the past behind them and look to the future. This industry has enough hurdles to jump. These round tables going on nationwide are a good start to move us forward. We don't need to keep taking a couple steps back.

What REAL damage was caused in the past? A couple bruised egos? I think we can get over that.
 
Amen...
 
I do not know anyone on this board well enough to take a solid stance on any side. I do know those individuals who have extended a hand to help me, and i know that they have done nothing to lose my respect for them. This is my reasoning for complimenting Chris.

In regards to "relying solely on the crawls of PWI to get your sites ranked" i have this to say: i do not believe that anyone has alleged that the "new guys" are relying solely on the PWI forums. I do know that having my web page linked to the forum is an asset, and one that i do not relish losing just because some people have issues with each other. also if linking from this board were not important, then why did Ron comment on the fact that Jeffery at Palmtto roof cleaning in South Carolina was not linked to PWI? Every little bit of help a site can get is good!! Ron does not "need" Jeffery to link to this forum, but it does not hurt. I do not "need" to be linked to this site, i do have other means of getting my page ranked; it does not hurt to be linked to this site.

I may not know the history that many on this forum may have with each other, but i do know that it does need to be resolved quickly.

As always i am respectful of the admins and those individuals who have helped me the most. this site has been invaluable to me. I hope that this issue can be resolved in a timely manner.
 
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I was TOLD that when "my" roof cleaning expert forum was set up, it would be MY forum, to run as I saw fit.
BOTH Ron, and Russ told me that.
Beth was privy to this information, because I told her.
And so, in good faith, I have worked my butt off to make it a good forum, and I think it is.
My PWI referrals are very high because people seek me out, and I send them to my forum.
IMHO, I have done MY part for PWI.
It is well known I don't like some people, and they don't like me.
A teacher can't have disruptions in their classroom.
I suggest there IS no "problem" at all.
The people who don't like me can just stay OUT of my forum.
Instead, they constantly come in with rude or snide remarks, while my hands are tied because of Politics.
Look, I just want to teach and discuss roof cleaning, and to be left alone.
My forum leads PWI in page rank, and is a harmonious place, for the most part.
Most Posters are HAPPY there
WHY not HONOR the original deal Russ and Ron, or does your WORD mean nothing ?
I sense a "Set Up" here, I really do.
SEVERAL people KNOW this was SUPPOSED to be my forum to run as I saw fit.
People are WATCHING, to see if I get screwed for Political Means, or hidden agenda's.
Ron, don't HIDE behind Russ, everyone KNOWS this is YOUR forum.
Fact is, the last time I talked to Russ, he told me to not do anything until he got back.
He said he was aware of Peerless changing his signature, and blaming me for it, and would deal with it.
The next thing I know, all this crap starts about ME, and from YOU Ron.

In your post Ron you say " I am afraid those who push me and Russ's buttons may have won here"

LOOK at what you are saying Ron ?

HOW are you going to "forge any relationships" with contractors if you YIELD to a few emails and phone calls ?

Bottom Line ?
You guys made a DEAL and a PROMISE to me to GET me here.
You KNEW about my dislike for a FEW, and their dislike for me.
Like Thad says, this has been going on a long time.
You TOLD me it would "be different" here at PWI, since I would be "running my own ship"

Ron, I am asking you to HONOR your word as a Man to me.
Tell ALL those "hundreds of callers and emailers" to stay OUT of my forum.
Tell them you made a deal with me to run THAT forum as I see fit, and IF they don't like it, to simply leave me, and my guys alone!
There IS another roof cleaning forum on PWI, WHAT is the big deal ?
 
I have other ways for my web page to crawl. I do not come here for that reason. If I did I would not post stuff like my daughters graduation, office renivations, and pictures of an airshows! I know I'm new here, but I hate to see all this going on! I wish the florida boys would get rid of there lines in the sand and get along. Yes I know Im stepping into a fragile situation here, but I want to see this board make it and get back to other roof cleaners helping others!
 
Kory said:
So whats it going to take for some to put the past behind them and look to the future. This industry has enough hurdles to jump. These round tables going on nationwide are a good start to move us forward. We don't need to keep taking a couple steps back.

What REAL damage was caused in the past? A couple bruised egos? I think we can get over that.
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You know, people are not always gonna get along.
This is life.
If I KNOW I am not welcome somewhere, why go there ?
It is my belief that the roof expert forum is doing great.
We have the highest Page rank on PWI.
WHY do those who do not like me HAVE to come in this forum ?
There IS another roof cleaning forum on PWI.

WHY can't Ron and Russ simply say "I PROMISED Chris this is HIS forum" and simply tell those who do not like me to stay away ?

I HAVE seen Ron say "It is up to Grant or Russ", and leave it at that.

Why can't he say "Chris runs that forum. because that is the DEAL I made with him"

THINK about it, why would I link my website to a forum that local enemies could post on ?
 
Squirtgun said:
I agree Thad.
Many don't know the full history in this topic and are forming their opinions based on reading a few months worth of posts and hearing only one side of the story from a few phone calls.
When people play the blame game they aren't sharing the fact they are also part of the problem.It's high time some took a long look in the mirror to see if they aren't at fault for some of what they are dealing with.
If you guys are relying solely on the crawls of PWI to get your sites ranked you have more serious issue.You should be promoting your website on numerous platforms to keep hits and rankings constant.
The biggest point being missed here is Ron owns the server this site runs on and Russ admins it and they ultimately don't have to give anyone a reason for the things they do where PWI is concerned.
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Yeah Scott, they should know YOU threatened my life with a Baseball Bat once, huh ?
 
And thus we see the drama.

As a person that has both been loved and hated by everyone that is involved in the continuing soap opera that is the roof cleaning forum. I do not think that the roof cleaning forum being closed to search engines is due to anything more than the behind the scenes comments that have been made via PM. There have been a ton of them that I have seen in one way or another, and I think that you all need to mellow out so that you do not drag the whole board into the mess.

I am fairly certain that many of you understand that there are customers of all of us that come here, and as long as some people try to taint all of those associated with the boards reputations, because some have made poor choices in the past, I think it is wise, at least from my perspective to reduce the chances of a browser finding this mess and letting the whole world know what immaturity can happen on this board, and all the other boards as well.

IN MY OPINION, if you want to stir drama, and want to try and make other contractors look bad, I would invite you to go to www.ptstate.com where that sort of childishness is permitted.

There is an additional benefit to me in that, and some of it has to do with not having to worry about what you all say over here.

Chris, I understand what you are saying, but you, through no fault of your own, were not able to keep the forum under control This is an effort to reduce the nonsense that benefits no one under control. Of course, as always, this is my personal opinion.
 
Scott S:

You might kindly clarify your remarks about PTstate so it isn't cast in a negative light; bad threads and posts are not encouraged, and Bob dumps them into another forum where people can continue to act like idiots if they choose, but it isn't viewable to non-members. He made this decision to keep himself from being the judge and jury and having problems like the one being described above. To date, it is the best solution I've seen to dealing with sillyness without being an overbearing force.

I just wanted to point out that you seem to be making a digg at Bob's site, at the least it reads out that way. But I'm sure you wouldn't just throw out an uncalled for barb that has nothing to do with anything in this conversation just for the sake of it, and hopefully you'll affirm that.
 
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