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To Hypochlorite or NOT to Hypochlorite?
It takes my breath away just stinking about it.
Just about all the universities have written articles on the subject of "Mold, Mildew and Moss" (to be honest, I think only one originated it and all the rest are copying it. - Sounds like typical college students who'd rather be drinking.) I found the U of F article to be a bit short on the subject (someone has waisted their edumacation $$$$). There are a couple of sites that treat the the subject with a little more detail (Kathleen Parrott of U of Virginia - www.ext.vt.edu/news/releases/063098/mossmild.html ; www.lumber.com/products/cedar/ced_012.asp ; and http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/edmat/EC1271.pdf).
You have to starve MOSS to kill it (hold back the cookies and milk).
www.clorox.com also has some good info on Sodium Hypochlorite; their manufacturing process for Clorox; good old Sodium Hydroxide - Lye (almost all soaps contained lye in the old days); and how to properly mix Clorox for different application.
Lots of FOOD for THOUGHT!
"Safety First and Make it Last" is my motto, but don't forget about "E-DU-MA-CA-TIOM" it should be close behind.
Regards,
It takes my breath away just stinking about it.
Just about all the universities have written articles on the subject of "Mold, Mildew and Moss" (to be honest, I think only one originated it and all the rest are copying it. - Sounds like typical college students who'd rather be drinking.) I found the U of F article to be a bit short on the subject (someone has waisted their edumacation $$$$). There are a couple of sites that treat the the subject with a little more detail (Kathleen Parrott of U of Virginia - www.ext.vt.edu/news/releases/063098/mossmild.html ; www.lumber.com/products/cedar/ced_012.asp ; and http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/edmat/EC1271.pdf).
You have to starve MOSS to kill it (hold back the cookies and milk).
www.clorox.com also has some good info on Sodium Hypochlorite; their manufacturing process for Clorox; good old Sodium Hydroxide - Lye (almost all soaps contained lye in the old days); and how to properly mix Clorox for different application.
Lots of FOOD for THOUGHT!
"Safety First and Make it Last" is my motto, but don't forget about "E-DU-MA-CA-TIOM" it should be close behind.
Regards,
All i read was,no walking on the roof,that could void your warranty if you have walked on your roof.What a crap!!!What kind of roofs are they??I am originally from a country where if you cant have a foot or too of snow on it at all times or even a dance party,it isnt roof.What are they making here,straw roofs ,like in sand countries??Give me a break,they didnt forget to charge when put it on.I walk on costumers roofs all the time,even when cleaning vinyl,i guess i need to stop that
Johny
Johny
really Good post!!!
Does anyone know what the difference between Sodium Hypochlorite and Sodium Hydroxide is?
I just started a load of laundry and I noticed that the ingredients for clorox state: Sodium Hypochlorite, Sodium Hydroxide.
I amd confused about whether or not sodium hydroxide is considered to be bleach or not.
If anyone can enlighten me, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
JOHN
I just started a load of laundry and I noticed that the ingredients for clorox state: Sodium Hypochlorite, Sodium Hydroxide.
I amd confused about whether or not sodium hydroxide is considered to be bleach or not.
If anyone can enlighten me, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks
JOHN
Grant
Administrator
The bleach cycle starts with salt water, which is broken down by electric current into sodium hydroxide, hydrogen and chlorine.
The sodium hydroxide is mixed with water. Next, chlorine is added to form sodium hypochlorite, the active ingredient in liquid bleach.
As bleach reacts with stains and soils, it begins to break down. The cleaning process turns nearly all of the bleach back into salt water. Any remaining bleach is completely deactivated at a municipal treatment facility or in a septic system through biodegradation.
Clorox liquid bleach is sodium hypochlorite at a 5.25 percent strength in a water-based solution. Sodium hypochlorite is one of those rare products in which "most of it" comes from a single compound–in this case salt water–and then after use reverts back to that same compound. Sodium hypochlorite is manufactured by "mixing chlorine with sodium hydroxide (less than 1%) and water (more than 80%)". Clorox bleach has remained unchanged since its introduction in 1916.
(The pulp and paper industry for many years has used chlorine to whiten paper. Chlorine is an integral component of sodium hypochlorite bleach. Sodium Hydroxide is commonly known as lye.)
By reacting with stains and soils in the wash, bleach breaks down to become primarily salt water. Any remaining bleach goes down the drain into either the local sewer system or septic tank and reacts with wastewater components–dirt and other inorganic materials–and is completely deactivated before it's released into any waterway.
Sodium hypochlorite bleach does not contain or generate chlorine gas when used by itself or when used as directed with other products. Formation of chlorine gas can occur only if sodium hypochlorite bleach is mixed with acids, such as acidic toilet bowl cleaners.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
The sodium hydroxide is mixed with water. Next, chlorine is added to form sodium hypochlorite, the active ingredient in liquid bleach.
As bleach reacts with stains and soils, it begins to break down. The cleaning process turns nearly all of the bleach back into salt water. Any remaining bleach is completely deactivated at a municipal treatment facility or in a septic system through biodegradation.
Clorox liquid bleach is sodium hypochlorite at a 5.25 percent strength in a water-based solution. Sodium hypochlorite is one of those rare products in which "most of it" comes from a single compound–in this case salt water–and then after use reverts back to that same compound. Sodium hypochlorite is manufactured by "mixing chlorine with sodium hydroxide (less than 1%) and water (more than 80%)". Clorox bleach has remained unchanged since its introduction in 1916.
(The pulp and paper industry for many years has used chlorine to whiten paper. Chlorine is an integral component of sodium hypochlorite bleach. Sodium Hydroxide is commonly known as lye.)
By reacting with stains and soils in the wash, bleach breaks down to become primarily salt water. Any remaining bleach goes down the drain into either the local sewer system or septic tank and reacts with wastewater components–dirt and other inorganic materials–and is completely deactivated before it's released into any waterway.
Sodium hypochlorite bleach does not contain or generate chlorine gas when used by itself or when used as directed with other products. Formation of chlorine gas can occur only if sodium hypochlorite bleach is mixed with acids, such as acidic toilet bowl cleaners.
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Mike Hughes
Former Board Administrator
I believe a couple years back when they started making that "Ultra" Clorox, they started adding some sod hydroxide into it.............not much though. Just enough to give it some extra kick.
Not to belabor the subject...
Ultra was a marketing ploy to increase revenue / regain market share from the generic brands. To achieve the goal: S. Hypochlorite was increased from 5.25% to 6.5% given the ability to increase retail price, reduce dilution (fill - it's expensive to ship water), and reduce container cost (containers/packaging are the most expensive part of the product). In other words they still sell a gallon of product which is now more concentrated where the consumer only has to use 3/4 of a cup instead of 1 cup and it gets sold for a higher price since it's a new and improved product, which equals more revenue. So on, etc, ..........
Strandard Clorox always had S. Hydroxide in it (under 1%).
Ultra may have increased it a bit more to keep it proportionate, but it's still under 1%.
If we pay close attention to other product labeling, we'll see an array of cleaning products with S. Hypochlorite and S. Hydroxide.
Take for example Drano: It contains S. Hypochlorite, S. Hydroxide, Sodium Silicate & Surfactants.
Other cleaning products however, contain Hydrochloric, Phosphoric or other acids. As someone mentioned another time: It is extremely important to understand CHEMISTRY when you're mixing STUFF. Most acids do not give a favorable reaction when mixed with S Hypochlorite. In some cases the mix will emit a very deadly poison called chlorine gas. Also mixing of acids and hypochlorite can produce a by-product called Dioxin (like in the
pulp industry where these mixes can be found ). EPA has big ears for Dioxin producers.
CAN I GET OFF MY SOAP BOX NOW? (My soap-box does not contain Phosphates, Dioxins or Chlorine gas, although it has been known to contain hot air from time to time!!!)
Regards,
P.S.: How about the 9 luckiest miners in PA.? Thank the Lord for their survival and the technology used to retreive them.
Ultra was a marketing ploy to increase revenue / regain market share from the generic brands. To achieve the goal: S. Hypochlorite was increased from 5.25% to 6.5% given the ability to increase retail price, reduce dilution (fill - it's expensive to ship water), and reduce container cost (containers/packaging are the most expensive part of the product). In other words they still sell a gallon of product which is now more concentrated where the consumer only has to use 3/4 of a cup instead of 1 cup and it gets sold for a higher price since it's a new and improved product, which equals more revenue. So on, etc, ..........
Strandard Clorox always had S. Hydroxide in it (under 1%).
Ultra may have increased it a bit more to keep it proportionate, but it's still under 1%.
If we pay close attention to other product labeling, we'll see an array of cleaning products with S. Hypochlorite and S. Hydroxide.
Take for example Drano: It contains S. Hypochlorite, S. Hydroxide, Sodium Silicate & Surfactants.
Other cleaning products however, contain Hydrochloric, Phosphoric or other acids. As someone mentioned another time: It is extremely important to understand CHEMISTRY when you're mixing STUFF. Most acids do not give a favorable reaction when mixed with S Hypochlorite. In some cases the mix will emit a very deadly poison called chlorine gas. Also mixing of acids and hypochlorite can produce a by-product called Dioxin (like in the
pulp industry where these mixes can be found ). EPA has big ears for Dioxin producers.
CAN I GET OFF MY SOAP BOX NOW? (My soap-box does not contain Phosphates, Dioxins or Chlorine gas, although it has been known to contain hot air from time to time!!!)
Regards,
P.S.: How about the 9 luckiest miners in PA.? Thank the Lord for their survival and the technology used to retreive them.