A Rookie Mistake

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I got a phone call last week to clean a parking lot in downtown Kansas City, MO and the property manager said he needed it done on the weekend "no problem" I head down there and start washing BY MYSELF and soon realized I had made a mistake. I had three homeless people come up asking for money. 1 said he was a retired Vietnam War vet and that I should respect him seeing that he is my elder. The other one said he was collecting "donations" for the KC Chiefs make a wish foundation I told both of them I was busy and they left when they saw I wasn't going to help them.
The third guy flat out scared me! He said he was the pastor of a local church and was taking his choir to sing and the church van got a flat and he needed money to buy a can of fix a flat. This guy could not stand still to save his life and he kept getting closer and closer to me. To top it off he kept reaching in the pockets of his coat like he had a weapon or maybe I was just paranoid. This whole time I'm kicking myself because my phone is 150' away in my truck charging! So I gave the guy ten bucks and he walked away. Looking back now I feel like a very lucky guy!


So what does everyone else do in these cases? I know the obvious thing is to take someone along but what if that's not an option?
 
12 years ago.... or so... I and my crew was doing a burger king. after working for 15 or so minutes, i saw a young lady on the pay phone. I politely instructed her that we will be cleaning the area in 10 minutes. she acknowledged me and soon got off the phone and went to a near by car.

Shortly after, 2 guys cam out of the car. They both had 9 inch blades and told me that their niece owns that phone. I immediately grabbed the wand and told them this:

Just so that you are aware.... I have 4,000 psi at 200 degrees temp coming from this wand. If the pressure doesn't cut through you the heat will. Unless you have a gun, i suggest you back off. we will be done in 5 minutes... oh, and by the way, the guy who was washing here, he called the cops. I figure you have 5 minutes or less to get the hell out of here.
 
I agree with Jim. Spray them. Dont even let anyone get close to you after dark. I would rather assault charge than get mugged. I either have hot water out of my gun, soap, or if the other guy is working, I am carryin a knife or wrench. if they show a gun, i will punk down like a girl, but if no gun, they arent going to be happy.
 
I have had to back a couple of guys down with my Wand too, after they see the Steam Coming Out the end they figure hey maybe I better keep walking and leave this guy alone he means Business and I do. For the most part it is not to bad around here unless you are right downtown where all the Gambling Drunks hang out pan handling for MO MONEY to get their Fix.
 
CTSR said:
I got a phone call last week to clean a parking lot in downtown Kansas City, MO and the property manager said he needed it done on the weekend "no problem" I head down there and start washing BY MYSELF and soon realized I had made a mistake. I had three homeless people come up asking for money. 1 said he was a retired Vietnam War vet and that I should respect him seeing that he is my elder. The other one said he was collecting "donations" for the KC Chiefs make a wish foundation I told both of them I was busy and they left when they saw I wasn't going to help them.
The third guy flat out scared me! He said he was the pastor of a local church and was taking his choir to sing and the church van got a flat and he needed money to buy a can of fix a flat. This guy could not stand still to save his life and he kept getting closer and closer to me. To top it off he kept reaching in the pockets of his coat like he had a weapon or maybe I was just paranoid. This whole time I'm kicking myself because my phone is 150' away in my truck charging! So I gave the guy ten bucks and he walked away. Looking back now I feel like a very lucky guy!


So what does everyone else do in these cases? I know the obvious thing is to take someone along but what if that's not an option?
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Dont give them any money, they will tell their buddies and bother you all night. Oh yea i almost forgot 357 mag Hollow Points
 
Glock 23 Cor-Bon

If you can't get a gun permit at the very least get a can of GOOD OC spray law enforcement type not the hardware store variety. I prefer Fox.

Never give them a penny. Or as Arnold would say "they'll be back". They are predators.

TEN BUCKS! That was the bums Mega Bucks Lottery.
 
Had to spray a darn crackhead last year he had a big daggar in his coat when the cops searched him. but i told him todays not a good day to f with me. he kept going and stuck his hand in coat still walking twards me and then he got it. 245* 1800psito da arm in the pocket and the face. felt bad but it was me or him. never heard anyone yell in so much pain before. but i am getting da permit now
 
It seems that conceal and carry is the most popular thing. I love hunting and shooting so I'm suprized I don't have my permit yet. Keep in mind I do the majority of my work out in the rural areas where most homeowners tell me to just let myself in and they'll leave the check on the table inside the front door when they aren't around. So we're talking a cultural shock here when guys are trying to hustle me.
I guess this gives me justification to go buy that new Sig Sauer I've been wanting for awhile!

If nothing else this situation taught me to always keep my phone on me and maybe I'll fabricate a little bracket to put on the surface cleaner that will hold some pepper spray!
 
a zero degree tip works nice. You can Cary it in your pocket. With the zero degree you can do alot of damage at quite a distance. Never had to use it but came close once. And it was over getting a guys car wet LOL
 
Then you're stuck in court for the next few months cause the guy that got irate and was threatening to whip you is now suing you for damages. Isn't it a real screwy society that the guy you accidentally cut off in traffic and goes ballistic and follows you home and pounds the fender in on your car all while screaming profanity at you and when you loose your temper and punch him and black both his eyes and break his nose he can sue you for assault? (true story happened two weeks ago to one of my best friends)
 
I carry in plain view,but that doesn't always deter them.Usually if you tell them to hit the bricks they keep moving and don't come back.I keep Lucille in the truck at all times and won't hesitate to get her out for a lil old fashioned intimidation.
Lucille is a louisville slugger with 3 pieces of 1" threaded rod and nylon lock nuts on each rod end.She is a nasty gurl and inflicting pain is what she does best.
 
.380 in the pocket or if it is real bad I keep a .45 tucked in the back of my pants for the whole world to see. It will pretty much keep anyone from talking to you. Also your employes won't ask off or complain near as much. Jk
 
Look more menacing like Russ

Immediately shake your head 'NO' , mouth the words 'I'm workin' and don't even slow down

Have a t-shirt made with big letters that says 'GET LOST' and just point at the shirt ( I mentioned the 'get lost bum' shirt kidding around with my dad and next thing he gives me two shirts that say F___ OFF BUM! in huge letters)

Wear your gun out - no big deal out here

Bring a bum chaser - here's mine
 

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Agreed,,,Glock 29... back pocket where your wallet should be,,ID in front shirt pocket for cops who sneak up on ya before you know it. Don't "offer" but don't lie about having it on you if asked point blank Do you have a gun on you. 99% LEO's won't care if in a bad area as long as you don't look like a crackhead low baller yourself. The permit is a good idea but won't cover you as most private property's don't allow firearms ie..malls and such...If they have one of those little stickers on the glass entrance door the permit won't matter. The permits only cover public property not ANY private other than your own. You walk into a convenience store carrying your subject to going to jail if the clerk gets itchy and calls. The permits are pretty much worthless in most cases but the education you get with the class is good. If you smoke someone at least it documents you've had "some" training and gives you some credibility to counter the 20 "phantom" bums who survived your malicious attack that swear you just opened fire on poor Charlie for target practice. And they will. Just be able to articulate the threat, ie...he was standing in fighting stance with feet at shoulder width, hand in fist or pocket, Threatening comments or continued approach after warning to stop with hand in pocket insinuating a weapon or cursing in threatening nature ect....No warning shots..if you pull a trigger someone should hit the ground period. If deadly force is not warranted neither is a warning shot and it don't matter how much sense it makes to do so. You will get burned over warning shots every time. They are NEVER considered legit due to threat to others in the area. You'll catch a reckless endangerment type (felony) charge every time,, if the bum don't charge you with attempted murder first. Can't stress enough about NO warning shots. NO "wing" shots either, (thats an assault w/ intent, the bum will own everything you have),,either kill them "to eliminate the threat" or don't shoot. Stop shooting when the threat is eliminated. Don't fire if they turn and run unless you SAW a gun. The distance for deadly force concerning a knife is considered 30 feet. Meaning if their within 30 ft of you with a knife facing you smoke'em. A lot of people think its 6ft but it's 30. Give knifer's a verbal warning if you can as your backing but if they keep coming smoke the sucker,,, Saw a training officer at the police academy cross 30ft and simulated a throat slash in 2.5 seconds before officer could draw his gun. A lot of guys lost bets that day...LOL
 
You guys in NC have some restrictive conceal carry laws. Our permits are good anywhere unless specifically prohibited by law. Such as schools, court houses, jails etc. It included state parks until recently, that was overturned. Just because a mall or store has a sign up doesn't mean you are breaking a law here. Just breaking the policy of the mall owners. You can be made to leave and instructed to not come back in violation of a trespass law after you've been warned. If you returned you would be subject to arrest for trespass.

They changed the law recently so you can have a handgun with a permit in your vehicle if you are picking up or dropping off someone on school property.

We also have the right to use deadly force to prevent serious bodily injury in an attack against ourself, a third party or a forcible felony (IE clerk getting robbed in a store). Deadly force can also be used to prevent an unlawful entry into a dwelling or vehicle. You can not shoot if they run away even with a weapon in hand that would not be preventing a crime. That's Indiana law for citizens.

I am amazed how many people I know that have conceal permits and have no idea under what circumstances they can use them. When an issue happens is not the time for "on the job training".

Good heads up on the knife info mudduck. I've seen first hand the result of a little 2" blade to the neck of a guy. Most people also think a person falls down when you shoot once. They do on TV. Unless you hit a major part of the central nervous system they can keep coming and often do. I cringe when I hear the public whine about "why did the cops have to shoot him so many times?" Because the threat still existed.
 
I work by myself at night mostly. I have homeless people coming up to me all the time asking for money or work. No big problems yet but it gets a little scary sometimes
 
Good Golly it sounds like Glendale Springs NC is alot like the old west! HAHA Never approch ANYONE using a power washer when you're there!
 
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