When will this happen here?

When will the US cut off internet service to civilians?

  • Within the next year

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Within the next four years

    Votes: 8 33.3%
  • Within the next ten years

    Votes: 1 4.2%
  • It will never happen.

    Votes: 15 62.5%

  • Total voters
    24

junker1

Roundtable Host 2009
The government would NEVER cut off the internet to the citizens!
Too much commerce to eventually insist on collecting tax from. Let's be reasonable.

thats a very bold statement. I really like it when you capitilize " never "
 

junker1

Roundtable Host 2009
After thinking about what all you guys have said, ya, maybe it could happen.
Wouldn't be the end of the world though.

wouldnt be the end of the world for me either ( i hope ). The goverment is and always will be the most shady and corrupt out there. politicians have to lie to get elected. Imagine who would get elected if they told the public what they really wanted. I do not trust the goverment at all.

Any person that takes a job, a way to earn a living, and they knew before they took that job it would violate my rights as a citizen, and continue to do that job, i do not like them. any person that knowingly and williningly enforces unconstitutional laws is a bad apple. just my opinion.
 

Mike V

Member
It will not happen. Yeah, lots of people are not thrilled with our current leadership in Washington. Yeah their are always crazy people with wild, conspiracy theories that babble about various things and yeah there is always some vague strain of truth that can be pointed to as fact.

And even if they did, technology doesn't "make" a revolution -- at least not after the initial stage. What keeps a revolution going is a citizenry turning against its government to such a degree that each new repressive step only makes them angrier.

The men and women who lead our military are not going to stand by and let tyranny take over our country. Obama is not my choice, but don't kid yourselves, no American President is capable of doing this. There are to many checks and balances.

Pretty sure 4 years ago, thesesame nut job conspiracy theorists were convinced that the Federal Government was going to take away all their guns.

We are Americans.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
20 years ago if anyone predicted that in order to travel by plane we would be subjected to thugs putting their hands all over our grandmothers and young children you guys would have said they were nuts.

20 years ago if anyone predicted that citizens would be stopped on the interstate WITHIN our own borders to check if they are Americans you guys would have said they needed to adjust their tinfoil hats.

50 years ago if anybody said one day homosexual marriage would be recognized by our government they would have been considered a nutcase.

50 years ago if anybody said churches would lose their non-profit status if they dared to back a political candidate they would have been laughed at.

100 years ago if anybody suggested that a president who lied to prosecutors about having sex in the OVAL office would still remain president they would be considered a loon.

100 years ago if anybody said the US government would bail out a private company because they are "too big to fail" they would have been called crazy.

200 years ago if someone said the Federal government would provide aid from the treasury for cities after natural disasters they would have been ridiculed.

200 years ago if someone said the policing authorities would be using weapons that the general public are not allowed to own, they would be laughed out of town.

This country is changing rapidly. The reason it is changing is because people choose to bury their heads in the sand in denial and eventually just "take it" when rights are eroded.

Most of you guys will applaud when the internet is taken down. Because by that time the media will have convinced you that it is the "safe" thing to do to protect our country. Just like they have convinced you that having a hand up your grandma's a$$ makes you "safe" to fly. Just like they have convinced you that a drivers license makes it "safe" for you to be on the road and martial law and gun confiscation during a hurricane is acceptable.

Inch by inch anything is a cinch. And that goes for making us slaves of the government too.
 

Mike V

Member
The same could be said about many things that would be looked at 20 years ago and thought would be impossible...... like electric cars, a black president, DVRs or Vaginal Reconstructive surgery.

Times change, people react to those changes. Sticking our heads in a hole doesn't change the world around us.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
The same could be said about many things that would be looked at 20 years ago and thought would be impossible...... like electric cars, a black president, DVRs or Vaginal Reconstructive surgery.

Times change, people react to those changes. Sticking our heads in a hole doesn't change the world around us.

Technology, medicine, communication and transportation does and should change.

Morality doesn't change. The constitution doesn't change without going through the amendment process.

The only thing that changes is the hearts of the people. And they are led by the hearts of the people they put in charge.

And right now their hearts are set on power and control.

It will be shut off as soon as they thing they are losing that control.

Just like it was in Egypt and Syria.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
I will apologize for the inevitable offense in advance, but this is a fact........


If you don't think this is a problem.....

State and local law enforcement groups want wireless providers to store detailed information about your SMS messages for at least two years -- in case they're needed for future criminal investigations.

( http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...ress-we-need-logs-of-americans-text-messages/ )

Then you are a part of the problem.

Some will take offense. I hope it is offensive enough for you to go back and look up the fourth amendment. Nevermind, here it is:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
 

Mike V

Member
Phone companies already keep records of SMS messages, phone calls and the duration of those phone calls. And YES, with probable cause, these documents are admissable in court.

Clearly if the government had access to these documents without probable cause it would be a blatant violation of the exclusinary rule established in the Weeks case and would be a violation of the 4th Ammendmant.

But Tony.....I am sure that Big Brother is monitoring all communications way more than we would like to think, but I have confidence in the Constitution and the Judicial system to uphold those laws to protect our rights. But if some crazy, ass jihadist is planning on blowing something up and the monitoring of the internet or text messages saves American lives....monitor away.
 

Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Ben Franklin

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TheCleaningDoc

New member
Give them an inch and they will take a mile. It all starts with the first step, they may not get your toes with that one but it is coming.
 

Tony R

New member
I was typing the Ben Franklin quote when I saw you already put it up.

Shoot I guess If we did random searches of everyone's home we would find bad people and weapons and save lives.... Search away

We could stop and detain all drivers at night to get drunks off the road and save lives... Detain away

We could frisk everyone walking down the road to SAVE LIVES... Frisk away

I am not willing to give up liberty for a false sense of security. It's sad that this country is being drooped into thinking that is a trade worth making
 

Mike V

Member
I think you guys are mising the point, the government is ALREADY doing these things, do you really think they are not? I am sure if the right set of words were to pop up in one of these posts, a flag would go up somewhere and it would be reviewed.


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Tony Shelton

BS Detector, Esquire
Entick VS Carrington in 1765 was one of the precedents that set the need for the 4th amendment. This was prior to our constitution when the King ran the show. It was determined by the judges that a man's personal private papers were not subject to seizure unless a specific crime had been committed. It was well accepted that a man's home was his castle and his private correspondence was sacred.

This was later determined by the courts when wiretapping came about:

By the laws of England, every invasion of private property, be it ever so minute, is a trespass. No man can set foot upon my ground without my license but he is liable to an action though the damage be nothing . . . .'' Protection of property interests as the basis of the Fourth Amendment found easy acceptance in the Supreme Court 30 and that acceptance controlled decision in numerous cases. 31 For example, in Olmstead v. United States, 32 one of the two premises underlying the holding that wiretapping was not covered by the Amendment was that there had been no actual physical invasion of the defendant's premises; where there had been an invasion, a technical trespass, electronic surveillance was deemed subject to Fourth Amendment restrictions. 33 The Court later rejected this approach, however. ''The premise that property interests control the right of the Government to search and seize has been discredited. . . . We have recognized that the principal object of the Fourth Amendment is the protection of privacy rather than property, and have increasingly discarded fictional and procedural barriers rested on property concepts.'' 34 Thus, because the Amendment ''protects people, not places,'' the requirement of actual physical trespass is dispensed with and electronic surveillance was made subject to the Amendment's requirements

Any violation of this is a violation of our laws. If you know of any police who are doing it I would suggest you turn them in or do something to protect your neighbors from this violation. Because you will be next.
 

Mike V

Member
I am not saying it is right or legal, I am saying that it happens.

And Scott.....really? A private Forum?? This is the internet, there is no such thing as privacy. Anyone can get on here and read. And yes, I believe that the government monitors all communications.
 
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