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H. R. 45 is a very bad bill if you happen to appreciate your Right to keep and bear arms.
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Terry Campbell
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Still more are killed in car crashes then by firearms, they only want to control us and the only way to make us sheep is to take away the GUNS PERIOD.
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Need to go to the doctor? You'd better check this out; "FIRST!" Doctor's are more dangerous than guns? YEP!!!
Doctors Vs. Gunowners
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. Is
700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are
120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is
0.171. Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
Now think about this:
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. Is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is
1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT
ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
Doctors Vs. Gunowners
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. Is
700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are
120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is
0.171. Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
Now think about this:
Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. Is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is
1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT
ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
The Cleaner
Vetran Washer 30 Years Plus
From my cold dead hands!!! Hey if they cant trust Mosses who can they trust!!
Terry Campbell
Member
This I know well, two months ago they made a mistake on my moms meds in the hospital and she when into Code Blue they barley saved her and it has taken her these last two months in and out of the hospital to get over the overdose they gave her. I'm real leary of Doctors now.
Scott Stone
New member
Then how come his first couple of executive orders were concerning Gitmo and other things?
Larry Hinckley
Hall of Fame Member
Infections grip U.S. hospitals
Advocate urges better prevention
Michael Schroeder
The Journal Gazette
Reducing risk
Following these tips and 10 others listed at http://www.hospitalinfection.org:
•Ask that hospital staff clean their hands before treating you, and ask visitors to clean their hands too. If you’re worried about being too aggressive, just remember your life could be at stake.
•Before your doctor uses a stethoscope, ask that the diaphragm (the flat surface) be wiped with alcohol.
•If you need a “central line” catheter, ask your doctor about the benefits of one that is antibiotic-impregnated or coated with silver chlorhexidine to reduce infections.
•If you need surgery, choose a surgeon with a low infection rate. Surgeons know their rate of infection for various procedures. Don’t be afraid to ask for it.
•Beginning three to five days before surgery, shower or bathe daily with chlorhexidine soap.
A contaminated bed rail, a germy privacy curtain, your doctor's unwashed hands or lab coat – deadly bacteria lurk everywhere at the hospital.
At least 103,000 people die from hospital-acquired infections annually in the U.S., more than from AIDS, breast cancer and auto accidents combined, said Betsy McCaughey, chairwoman and founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths.McCaughey spoke emphatically about the need for hospitals to improve cleaning efforts – including floors and hands – and expand looking for infection, particularly screening for MRSA.
She was the keynote speaker Thursday at a conference on infectious disease at the Fort Wayne Marriott sponsored by Parkview Hospital and the Fort Wayne Medical Education Program.
The event was attended by about 100 physicians, nurses, pharmacists, medical residents and other health care professionals.
McGaughey, an outspoken advocate for infection prevention and former lieutenant governor of New York, said more than one in 10 patients will contract an infection when they're at the hospital.In response to nationally rising infection rates, local hospitals have bolstered efforts to track and prevent infections.
As of last spring, Parkview Hospital and Parkview North Hospital screen all inpatients on admission for MRSA, a type of bacteria that can cause dangerous, life-threatening invasive infections. Dupont Hospital will begin MRSA screening Feb. 1.
At other Lutheran Health Network and Parkview Health hospitals, patients considered at higher risk for contracting the drug-resistant staph infection are screened.
Patients found to be infected with MRSA or have the condition present are placed in a private room and treated if necessary. Also, precautions are taken to prevent its spread.
McCaughey said that nationwide fewer than one in five hospitals screen all admitted patients, though she considers screening integral to infection prevention. But, according to McCaughey, the "single most important step in preventing hospital infections" is also the simplest: cleaning.
Doctors' lab coats and nurses' uniforms routinely pick up bacteria when they lean over patients. But in a 2007 study, she said, 65 percent of doctors and other medical professionals admitted they had not washed their lab coat in at least a week.
Because most hospitals don't routinely screen, there are plenty of undetected bacteria to go around: 70 percent to 90 percent of patients who carry MRSA – which accounts for about 8 percent of all hospital-acquired infections – are never identified, she said.
McCaughey called hospitals' cleaning staff the "Navy SEALs of infection prevention." She urged medical staff to routinely wash their hands and make sure equipment is cleaned.
She said patients should also wash hands regularly and not be afraid to ask medical staff to do the same.
In addition to patient safety, McCaughey said mounting financial and legal pressures are also pressing hospitals to do more to prevent infections.
In October, Medicare stopped paying hospitals for extra care related to certain conditions and hospital-acquired infections, and the government agency is expanding the no-pay list.
What's more, with every breakthrough that boosts infection-prevention capabilities, hospitals are increasingly likely to be held legally liable when patients contract infections on site, McCaughey said.
Advocate urges better prevention
Michael Schroeder
The Journal Gazette
Reducing risk
Following these tips and 10 others listed at http://www.hospitalinfection.org:
•Ask that hospital staff clean their hands before treating you, and ask visitors to clean their hands too. If you’re worried about being too aggressive, just remember your life could be at stake.
•Before your doctor uses a stethoscope, ask that the diaphragm (the flat surface) be wiped with alcohol.
•If you need a “central line” catheter, ask your doctor about the benefits of one that is antibiotic-impregnated or coated with silver chlorhexidine to reduce infections.
•If you need surgery, choose a surgeon with a low infection rate. Surgeons know their rate of infection for various procedures. Don’t be afraid to ask for it.
•Beginning three to five days before surgery, shower or bathe daily with chlorhexidine soap.
A contaminated bed rail, a germy privacy curtain, your doctor's unwashed hands or lab coat – deadly bacteria lurk everywhere at the hospital.
At least 103,000 people die from hospital-acquired infections annually in the U.S., more than from AIDS, breast cancer and auto accidents combined, said Betsy McCaughey, chairwoman and founder of the Committee to Reduce Infection Deaths.McCaughey spoke emphatically about the need for hospitals to improve cleaning efforts – including floors and hands – and expand looking for infection, particularly screening for MRSA.
She was the keynote speaker Thursday at a conference on infectious disease at the Fort Wayne Marriott sponsored by Parkview Hospital and the Fort Wayne Medical Education Program.
The event was attended by about 100 physicians, nurses, pharmacists, medical residents and other health care professionals.
McGaughey, an outspoken advocate for infection prevention and former lieutenant governor of New York, said more than one in 10 patients will contract an infection when they're at the hospital.In response to nationally rising infection rates, local hospitals have bolstered efforts to track and prevent infections.
As of last spring, Parkview Hospital and Parkview North Hospital screen all inpatients on admission for MRSA, a type of bacteria that can cause dangerous, life-threatening invasive infections. Dupont Hospital will begin MRSA screening Feb. 1.
At other Lutheran Health Network and Parkview Health hospitals, patients considered at higher risk for contracting the drug-resistant staph infection are screened.
Patients found to be infected with MRSA or have the condition present are placed in a private room and treated if necessary. Also, precautions are taken to prevent its spread.
McCaughey said that nationwide fewer than one in five hospitals screen all admitted patients, though she considers screening integral to infection prevention. But, according to McCaughey, the "single most important step in preventing hospital infections" is also the simplest: cleaning.
Doctors' lab coats and nurses' uniforms routinely pick up bacteria when they lean over patients. But in a 2007 study, she said, 65 percent of doctors and other medical professionals admitted they had not washed their lab coat in at least a week.
Because most hospitals don't routinely screen, there are plenty of undetected bacteria to go around: 70 percent to 90 percent of patients who carry MRSA – which accounts for about 8 percent of all hospital-acquired infections – are never identified, she said.
McCaughey called hospitals' cleaning staff the "Navy SEALs of infection prevention." She urged medical staff to routinely wash their hands and make sure equipment is cleaned.
She said patients should also wash hands regularly and not be afraid to ask medical staff to do the same.
In addition to patient safety, McCaughey said mounting financial and legal pressures are also pressing hospitals to do more to prevent infections.
In October, Medicare stopped paying hospitals for extra care related to certain conditions and hospital-acquired infections, and the government agency is expanding the no-pay list.
What's more, with every breakthrough that boosts infection-prevention capabilities, hospitals are increasingly likely to be held legally liable when patients contract infections on site, McCaughey said.
Alexy
Active member
I did not say it was his first priority I said Obama supporters never debate this issue of gun control just like your post, it is delfected to other issues
"Then how come his first couple of executive orders were concerning Gitmo and other things" does not address the issue of Obama's stance on private firearm ownership.
He does not like guns is no friend of the 2nd amendment.He consistently voted to ban guns tax ammunition yet would not endorse any harsher penalties for people who do use firearms in illegal acts. Joe Biden was the author of the 1994 assault weapons ban. His chief of staff Rahm Emmanuel is adamantly against any private firearms ownership.
jlpressure
JL Pressure Washing
Hey I'm a Obama supporter. I havent read up on it and i will, but I never saw anything or heard anything about gun control from Obama. Just because theres something out there doesnt mean Obama is a supporter of it or will support it. If he does I will fight against it. The only problem I have is with assualt rifles and that I think should POSSIBLY be looked at
I have no guns, just never was trained with one. I do plan on getting some and they wont get mine from me when I do get them
What is everyones thoughts on the background checks and waiting periods. I'm just asking because I see nothing wrong with checking out who's getting guns with all the nut bags that are out there. Just want an opinion to help form my opinion
I say give the guns to us not the nut bags, so when they go nuts we can put a bullet in there head when they finally go off
Its our right to own guns as Americans and I think when it comes down to that Obama and all in Washington know that. Now I wouldnt put it past any politicain to jack up taxes on guns and ammo, but not for control I think they would do it just to get money in their greedy little hands
Alexy
Active member
Jeff,
I respect him as president but past is prologe I encurage you to look at his stance on firearm ownership. Here are some simple highlights and in honesty I belive this web page does a good job of fairly showing his position on gun control.
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Democratic nomine for President; Junior Senator (IL)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“
It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
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I respect him as president but past is prologe I encurage you to look at his stance on firearm ownership. Here are some simple highlights and in honesty I belive this web page does a good job of fairly showing his position on gun control.
Barack Obama on Gun Control
Democratic nomine for President; Junior Senator (IL)
Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws
Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?
A: As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?
A: I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.
Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary Apr 16, 2008
FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban
Obama was being misleading when he denied that his handwriting had been on a document endorsing a state ban on the sale and possession of handguns in Illinois. Obama responded, “No, my writing wasn’t on that particular questionnaire. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns.”
Actually, Obama’s writing was on the 1996 document, which was filed when Obama was running for the Illinois state Senate. A Chicago nonprofit, Independent Voters of Illinois, had this question, and Obama took hard line:
35. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.
Obama’s campaign said, “Sen. Obama didn’t fill out these state Senate questionnaires--a staffer did--and there are several answers that didn’t reflect his views then or now. He may have jotted some notes on the front page of the questionnaire, but some answers didn’t reflect his views.”
Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate Apr 16, 2008
Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok
Q: You said recently, “I have no intention of taking away folks’ guns.” But you support the D.C. handgun ban, and you’ve said that it’s constitutional. How do you reconcile those two positions?
A: Because I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.
Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview Feb 11, 2008
Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing
Q: When you were in the state senate, you talked about licensing and registering gun owners. Would you do that as president?
A: I don’t think that we can get that done. But what we can do is to provide just some common-sense enforcement. The efforts by law enforcement to obtain the information required to trace back guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers. As president, I intend to make it happen. We essentially have two realities, when it comes to guns, in this country. You’ve got the tradition of lawful gun ownership. It is very important for many Americans to be able to hunt, fish, take their kids out, teach them how to shoot. Then you’ve got the reality of 34 Chicago public school students who get shot down on the streets of Chicago. We can reconcile those two realities by making sure the Second Amendment is respected and that people are able to lawfully own guns, but that we also start cracking down on the kinds of abuses of firearms that we see on the streets.
Source: 2008 Democratic debate in Las Vegas Jan 15, 2008
2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month
Obama sought moderate gun control measures, such as a 2000 bill he cosponsored to limit handgun purchases to one per month (it did not pass). He voted against letting people violate local weapons bans in cases of self-defense, but also voted in2004 to let retired police officers carry concealed handguns.
Source: The Improbable Quest, by John K. Wilson, p.148 Oct 30, 2007
Concealed carry OK for retired police officers
Obama voted for a bill in the Illinois senate that allowed retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed weapons. If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcin and expanding gun control laws. So this vote jumped out as inconsistent.
When I queried him about the vote, he said, “I didn’t find that [vote] surprising. I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry. This was a narrow exception in an exceptional circumstance where a retired police officer might find himself vulnerable as a consequence of the work he has previously done--and had been trained extensively in the proper use of firearms.“
It wasn’t until a few weeks later that another theory came forward about the uncharacteristic vote. Obama was battling with his GOP opponent to win the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police.
Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 Aug 14, 2007
Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities
Q: How would you address gun violence that continues to be the #1 cause of death among African-American men?
A: You know, when the massacre happened at Virginia Tech, I think all of us were grief stricken and shocked by the carnage. But in this year alone, in Chicago, we’ve had 34 Chicago public school students gunned down and killed. And for the most part, there has been silence. We know what to do. We’ve got to enforce the gun laws that are on the books. We’ve got to make sure that unscrupulous gun dealers aren’t loading up vans and dumping guns in our communities, because we know they’re not made in our communities. There aren’t any gun manufacturers here, right here in the middle of Detroit. But what we also have to do is to make sure that we change our politics so that we care just as much about those 30-some children in Chicago who’ve been shot as we do the children in Virginia Tech. That’s a mindset that we have to have in the White House and we don’t have it right now.
Source: 2007 NAACP Presidential Primary Forum Jul 12, 2007
Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality
I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer’s lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do ew need to punish thatman for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there’s a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair.
Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006
Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban
KEYES: [to Obama]: I am a strong believer in the second amendment. The gun control mentality is ruthlessly absurd. It suggests that we should pass a law that prevents law abiding citizens from carrying weapons. You end up with a situation where the crook have all the guns and the law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves. I guess that’s good enough for Senator Obama who voted against the bill that would have allowed homeowners to defend themselves if their homes were broken into.
OBAMA: Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.
Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes Oct 21, 2004
Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions
Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:
Exempt lawsuits brought against individuals who knowingly transfer a firearm that will be used to commit a violent or drug-trafficking crime
Exempt lawsuits against actions that result in death, physical injury or property damage due solely to a product defect
Call for the dismissal of all qualified civil liability actions pending on the date of enactment by the court in which the action was brought
Prohibit the manufacture, import, sale or delivery of armor piercing ammunition, and sets a minimum prison term of 15 years for violations
Require all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005
Click here for definitions & background information on Gun Control.
Click here for policy papers on Gun Control.
Click here for a profile of Barack Obama.
Click here for Barack Obama on all the issues.
Click here for VoteMatch responses by Barack Obama.
Agree? Disagree? Voice your opinions on Gun Control or about Barack Obama in The Forum.
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Alexy
Active member
Jeff the process to buy a firearm in the united states starts with ATF form 4473 ( see attached)
http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/index.htm
If you look it over it covers specificly if you are a felon , prohibited by a conviction for domestic assault, currently awaiting trial for any charge , wanted, mentaly deficient, a US citizen, and specificly if you use illegal drugs. the form is verified with 2 forms of a government ID and proof of residency and citizenship before it is ever submitted for appoval to the state police where the transaction is being done. If your state is an electronic then the info is phoned in and the state police approve the transaction with a quick ( less than 10 minutes to querry the data bases)
If it is manual then it is mailed in and that in itself is a waiting period but will result in approval or denial.
I know the feds do not take lightly to any falsification of info on here and is punishable with 5 years for each instance you lie on the forms example:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040501714.html
What more restrictions can be placed on people to check them out?
It is not an issue that he should even begin to address with the current problems we face.
To be honest the dems could solidify their position with the american people if they were FOR firearm ownership in the US rather than coddiling special intrest groups that want them banned, that is one of the last bastions of the republican party and to be honest most of them are fence sitters on the issue and go where the wind takes them on voting.
I know of no municipality anywhere in the United States that has seen an increase in violent crimes when firearms ownership by law abiding citizens has been allowed or restrictions on firearm ownership have been relaxed.
We ARE citizens of this country and if you or I have done nothing to ever prohibit that ownership then we should be allowed to exercise that right.
http://www.atf.gov/forms/4473/index.htm
If you look it over it covers specificly if you are a felon , prohibited by a conviction for domestic assault, currently awaiting trial for any charge , wanted, mentaly deficient, a US citizen, and specificly if you use illegal drugs. the form is verified with 2 forms of a government ID and proof of residency and citizenship before it is ever submitted for appoval to the state police where the transaction is being done. If your state is an electronic then the info is phoned in and the state police approve the transaction with a quick ( less than 10 minutes to querry the data bases)
If it is manual then it is mailed in and that in itself is a waiting period but will result in approval or denial.
I know the feds do not take lightly to any falsification of info on here and is punishable with 5 years for each instance you lie on the forms example:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/05/AR2007040501714.html
What more restrictions can be placed on people to check them out?
It is not an issue that he should even begin to address with the current problems we face.
To be honest the dems could solidify their position with the american people if they were FOR firearm ownership in the US rather than coddiling special intrest groups that want them banned, that is one of the last bastions of the republican party and to be honest most of them are fence sitters on the issue and go where the wind takes them on voting.
I know of no municipality anywhere in the United States that has seen an increase in violent crimes when firearms ownership by law abiding citizens has been allowed or restrictions on firearm ownership have been relaxed.
We ARE citizens of this country and if you or I have done nothing to ever prohibit that ownership then we should be allowed to exercise that right.
IndyExterior
New member
One of the biggest problems is people that legislate form opinions on firearms and admit they really don't know much about them.
An assault weapon is a full automatic weapon period. You pull the trigger once and it fires until you let off. The expired so called "assault rifle ban" did nothing about assault rifles. There are very strict laws concerning full auto weapons in place. Yes you can own one but it entails much more than walking in a walking out the door with one. The "assault weapons" they are going after again are semi-auto guns NOT ASSAULT weapons. They are just configured to look like a military weapon.
This includes among others the so called AK-47's. A real AK-47 is an assault weapon one of the cheapest full auto weapons produced in the world. Designed in Russia 1947 and produced in at least 10 countries over the past 60 years. The ones they are going after are semi-autos. It's absolute nonsense. The previous ban did nothing, another ban will only drive up the prices. I'll be the first to admit I don't know why anyone needs a new gun with a bayonet lug (which they want to ban), but I've also never heard of a 7-11 getting stuck up by a goof with a rifle with a bayonet attached.
We see hundreds of arrests in Indy for carrying guns without a permit, felons in possession of a firearm etc. They almost all get a plea deal down to a misdemeanor and walk. So the real criminals are given a pass most of the time. I see it all the time. The laws that make sense are not enforced and the only people that abide by them are reasonable people. These are "feel good" laws that appear to help but do nothing about real crime. These laws are about emotions not logic.
Imagine going into a Chevy dealer and buying a new car. Then have it painted up to look just like a NASCAR race car. Then having the govt pass a law against allowing NASCAR race cars on the highway. Absolutely the same thing.
An assault weapon is a full automatic weapon period. You pull the trigger once and it fires until you let off. The expired so called "assault rifle ban" did nothing about assault rifles. There are very strict laws concerning full auto weapons in place. Yes you can own one but it entails much more than walking in a walking out the door with one. The "assault weapons" they are going after again are semi-auto guns NOT ASSAULT weapons. They are just configured to look like a military weapon.
This includes among others the so called AK-47's. A real AK-47 is an assault weapon one of the cheapest full auto weapons produced in the world. Designed in Russia 1947 and produced in at least 10 countries over the past 60 years. The ones they are going after are semi-autos. It's absolute nonsense. The previous ban did nothing, another ban will only drive up the prices. I'll be the first to admit I don't know why anyone needs a new gun with a bayonet lug (which they want to ban), but I've also never heard of a 7-11 getting stuck up by a goof with a rifle with a bayonet attached.
We see hundreds of arrests in Indy for carrying guns without a permit, felons in possession of a firearm etc. They almost all get a plea deal down to a misdemeanor and walk. So the real criminals are given a pass most of the time. I see it all the time. The laws that make sense are not enforced and the only people that abide by them are reasonable people. These are "feel good" laws that appear to help but do nothing about real crime. These laws are about emotions not logic.
Imagine going into a Chevy dealer and buying a new car. Then have it painted up to look just like a NASCAR race car. Then having the govt pass a law against allowing NASCAR race cars on the highway. Absolutely the same thing.