Surface Cleaner Filter

814jeffw

Active member
Does anyone use a high pressure filter on their surface cleaner? I use one on my rotating nozzle simply due to the ceramic orifice that can be easily damaged by a small particle. Not concerned about damage on the surface cleaner so much,..but it's really irritating when something gets stuck in the nozzle,..doesn't happen all that often,..but even once is too many times.

*My old Mosmatic SC stopped working last week, so I bought a Whisper Wash Classic from Bob,..it has 4 2502 nozzles in it and I think the clogging may happen more often now,..Actually, I think I am going to change the nozzles to 2503's. Any of you guys with the 4 nozzle setup care to share your nozzle selection. I am running TSF2021 (8 GPM) through 200' of 3/8" hose.

Thanks,
Jeff
 

JBurd

New member
I use them on most of my surface cleaners and it helps. Ironically, my recovery mosmatic is the only one I don't have a filter on but my biggest headache on that is rocks getting jammed between the bar and the housing seizing the rotation. On some jobs it happens 10+ times per hour.
 

Matty P

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I run one on my surface cleaner, half of my jobs are well water and the outside water rarely runs through the whole house filter if they even have one.
 

814jeffw

Active member
Thanks guys,..I think I will be putting one on.

I changed the (4) 2502 nozzles to two 25045 nozzles. I am going to play with different nozzles and spray patterns. Does anyone ever use 40 degree nozzles? I would like to find the sweet spot with this new Whisper Wash to keep it from lifting off the ground,.. without sacrificing speed and/or effectiveness. Maybe switching to 2505's? Open to suggestions here.

*I'd rather not have to add weight,..but I will if I have to.

**On a side note,..the one thing I don't like about the Whisper Wash is the built in trigger,..after using the Mosmatic for the last 12-15 years I got accustomed to having the SC plumbed so I could just use it with the same trigger I DS with. So,..for now,..when I'm on a job that I know I will be using a SC,..I will use quick couplers with a high pressure ball valve on the end of the hose so I can switch without shutting down. In the off season this year though,..I will be customizing the handle on the Whisper Wash to accommodate my old ways. Or,.maybe I'll get used to the ball valve?

Jeff
 
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814jeffw

Active member
Hey Jason,..so you use 4 nozzles over 2? I like the idea of 4 nozzles,..just the small orifices and getting plugged so easily is the biggest issue I think,...although, as the others said,..the filter will most likely solve alot. Without the issue of clogged nozzles I can see the 4 making a wider swath and maybe giving the ability to move faster?

Jeff
 

814jeffw

Active member
Yes, I think I will like the Whisper Wash also,..I think it will clean faster than I'm actually moving it, Ha,Ha,...and it is ALOT quieter than my Mosmatic was,..the Mosmatic was leaving stripes, this new one doesn't seem to be doing that at all. Must have hit too many things with the Mosmatic.

Jeff
 

814jeffw

Active member
Looks like it takes about 5 lbs. to keep the Whisper Wash on the ground. I'm going to accomplish this for now with a pair of those ankle weights,..one on each arm at the base. I have some ideas on how to add the weight so it's not visible,..but,..no time for that at the moment,..just need it to work.

*Thinking about drilling a hole in each arm of the handle near the base,..and pouring 2 1/2 LBS. of lead into each. What's anyone else do to add weight?

**I really like the Whisper Wash,..cleans fast and even!

Jeff
 

814jeffw

Active member
Actually, the placement of the weights on the handle isn't ideal,..for now it's good enough I guess. But I think the weight needs to be on the deck itself,..being on the handle doesn't allow the weight to be distributed properly, and the rear of the SC still wants to come up slightly. Thinking of bolting some lead to it instead.

Jeff
 

Ralph Q

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Here is the weight I use. You can remove sections to get the weight perfect. I put it around the swivel. I also have to have the heaviest part on the front to keep it even and not lifting up, in the front.(that's what it wants to do)
 

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814jeffw

Active member
Thanks,..I had mine around the handles as mentioned,..I will try it over/around the swivel,..as that does make more sense to have it directly on the base so it doesn't pivot up.

Jeff
 

tomtucson

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I don't use a high pressure filters on my surface cleaners, they just rob flow. They steadily get clogged and can't be cleaned thoroughly, just an impediment to the flow. My surface cleaners get a kind of 'sticktion' that keeps them from taking off. Maybe because of the short skirts I use, they seem to get a kind of water-seal. Adding weight sounds like a huge bummer, light and maneuverable is what I want. I am sure a trigger gun cuts flow significantly and should never be used on a surface cleaner. Four bars beats four nozzles on two bars. Of course how fast the bars spin makes a huge difference, but that is set at the factory unfortunately.
 

814jeffw

Active member
Hey Tom, thanks for the input,..yea,..I'd rather not add the weight but not much real choice if I want to use the 19" SC at full performance. Seems if the weight is properly balanced and you can find the sweet spot of it just skimming the surface, it would be a true floater,..and the additional weight won't be as noticeable.

I may or may not use a filter,..with the bigger (25045) nozzles it isn't near as much an issue than it is with the small 2502 nozzles. I use a HP filter on my rotating nozzle,..and I clean it periodically with compressed air,...never have an issue with cleaning it.

I thought about the trigger gun thing,..and if I continue to use the ball valve at the end of the hose for switching from trigger to SC,..I may do as you and remove the trigger,..not so much due to the flow,...just so I don't have to hold the trigger.

I'm not doubting your experiences with flow restrictions,.but if the trigger is rated for 10+ GPM,..why does it restrict flow if I'm running 8 GPM and 200' of 3/8" hose? I've actually seen this mentioned numerous times through reading the forums,..would just be nice to hear the theory or reasoning behind it.

I use a HP filter on my rotating nozzle,..and I clean it periodically with compressed air,...never have an issue with cleaning it.

Jeff
 

814jeffw

Active member
Yea Tom,.. I can sorta get behind what you're saying,..the valve inside a gun isn't really that big. I think I'm gonna make an adapter for my gang of wash nozzles and try using them straight from the ball valve,..and see if there's any appreciable difference in rinsing and maybe distance compared to the RL-51 trigger I'm currently using.

Jeff
 

Christopher

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I don't use a high pressure filters on my surface cleaners, they just rob flow. They steadily get clogged and can't be cleaned thoroughly, just an impediment to the flow. My surface cleaners get a kind of 'sticktion' that keeps them from taking off. Maybe because of the short skirts I use, they seem to get a kind of water-seal. Adding weight sounds like a huge bummer, light and maneuverable is what I want. I am sure a trigger gun cuts flow significantly and should never be used on a surface cleaner. Four bars beats four nozzles on two bars. Of course how fast the bars spin makes a huge difference, but that is set at the factory unfortunately.

I also like the idea of 4 bars instead of 4 nozzle on 1 or 2 spray bars.

When you think about it the 2 nozzle spray bar has to turn 1/2 way until the 2nd nozzle hits the area where the 1st nozzle hits but with 4 spray bars and 4 nozzles, it only has to turn 1/4 of the way until the 2nd nozzle hits where the 1st nozzle hit.

I am thinking that the 4 nozzle/4 bar would clean faster than the 4 nozzle/2 bar but I have not seen hardly any manufacturers other than mosmatic selling them, it would be interesting to get one of each and do some testing if the 4 nozzle/4 bar were found that would fit onto the whisper wash or mosmatic swivels easily.
 
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