Sojourn to the West.....and the Mother of all BBS'

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RJTravel

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Jon / Mtn Goat:
Appreciate the forthright ID of BIG JOB (not a typo - they seek the big JOB only), however our approach is different. JOB always seems to diminish - it is so in my area.

Ron M:
Do you really think those in our business really do not know who their competitors are, and that "don't buy from them" is an effective tool? Clearly you do. Your naivete is exceeded only by your naivete.

For those of us in grease exhaust services, I believe our fears are largely unfounded. Matt has a legitimate gripe, however they always seem to destroy themselves. Tyco (for example) has hundreds of businesses in over 100 countries with more than a quarter million employees. Corporate goals are not tied in to a profit from exhaust cleaning. Virtually anything you do or buy supports them in some way. You can expect something is amiss when BIG JOB sends 4 men and takes all night to do a $400 job - an account we aborted because our 2 men were taking 6 hours - not profitable enough for us. They really don't care - it is not their marketing thrust. Ultimately they dwindle and disappear - already happened in our area. The answer is to alter your marketing strategy and steadily keep on keeping on. It works.
Richard
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
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RJTRAVEL,

You’re Quote…..
Do you really think those in our business really do not know who their competitors are, and that "don't buy from them" is an effective tool? Clearly you do. Your naivete is exceeded only by your naivete.


I absolutely believe that. I also believe you have bought from your own competitors and don’t even realize it. I sure hope someone tells you sooner or later.

You could prove me wrong by simply posting the five largest in your area, I know who they are do you?

If you think BIG JOE is going away then your wrong. I never said you couldn’t beat him but he’s here to stay and always will be. (Your thinking on that is completely mistaken.) ASK someone besides me that’s been around for awhile with there eyes open. Maybe Dave Olson might chime in if we keep this professional. Or Matt himself has obviously seen big Joe’s come and go just like little JOES.

I agree with being consistent and selling your tail off will work and you will succeed.

Maybe I miss read the post…. If I did I apologize in advance
 
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RJTravel

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Completed my sojourn in the West and have visited with a number of the 'big boys' in the exhaust service business. Some are relatives therefore I had the liberty of asking that which Ron M proposed. None know Ron M. - even those relatively close. None visit the BBS. None care about this diatribe. So much for that effort.

Ron, do you buy office supplies, go to the grocery store, or participate in any sports? If so, you support those who you think are my 'competitors'. I am pointing it out to you. Your only remedy is to live in a cave. The 'Big Job'(s) to which I refer are not interested in taking my segment of the market. They have disappeared altogether in one metro location with which I am familiar. It matters not what you believe, still the large Corp is interested in acquisitions, mergers, and Company recognition as the means to enhance value - not in large revenues from KEC or fire protection services.

It is possible you do not even do commercial exhaust services and have inadvertently found yourself on the wrong forum. If that is so I can then understand how you lack understanding in respect to this market.
Richard
 

Ron Musgraves

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RJ, slow down partner, I've obviously upset you. Frankly if you missed my point thats ok. You where the one saying i was born lastnight. Actually it was night but it wasnt last night. Most here know this so trying to match your powers against mine is useless.

You can have the last word some got it some didnt. You win!!!!

RJ, I was the one that said you buy from your competitors, you stated I was crazy. now you got it and your trying to make me look stupid..LOL

what a waist of my time.........I'm sorry i got under your skin, really i had no intention of upsetting you i just wanted you to get the point. learn is all and you finally got it. I do feel releaved you understand my sarcasium. Please stop taking my post so darn cereal. No else does....
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
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Completed my sojourn in the West and have visited with a number of the 'big boys' in the exhaust service business. Some are relatives therefore I had the liberty of asking that which Ron M proposed. None know Ron M. - even those relatively close. None visit the BBS. None care about this diatribe. So much for that effort.

RJ'S QUOTE


I missed that sentence, Now i'm a liar tooo... is that a Slanderous statement?
 

RJTravel

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"what a waist (sic) of my time"

Huh? Pretty hard to waste your time - I can't even figure out what it is you are trying to say! I actually do see a tremendous amount of time-wasting on this board. There sure seems to be a lot of bickering and undercurrent in respect to 'control' in other threads on this forum. This is not apparent on other boards - go to the Delco KEC site and take a look.
Richard
 

oneness

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Ron Musgraves said:
delco is the mother BBS , its where it all started..

Sure. I have no problem with that.

That doesn't take away from the fact that compared to the other boards, it sucks.
 

Ron Musgraves

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well Mike i would be offended if you said i sucked. I was playing with RJ i thought he could take it. I was wrong..opps did i say i was wrong?

Sorry i meant mistaken!!!!!11
 

safeclean

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I disagree about the delco bbs(original one).As Ron stated it is the mother of all powerwashing bbs and I visit it everyday,It is my favorite board next to this one.It is a bbs in it's purest sense ,open, not highly moderated,and run by a company that has done alot for this industry,yet does not clamp down on the bbs for their own benefit.As far as the new delco bbs,it never really took off,and that is a shame,but the old one is still active,even without the latest bbs technology,sometimes new is not always better.I don't think advertising would hurt this bbs,I think most people do not pay much attention to advertising on bbs's anyway,I think it would make it more interesting to run the bbs,and maybe fund some contests and events,and as long as the administrator of the bbs does not clamp down on posts to favor advertisers,which I think Mike would not,I think it would be beneficial.I do think it is hard to have an open board today(no registering)because of the ever present possibilities of being attacked by pimply faced,moronic flamers that attack open boards on occasion,I think Beths board was attacked in the beginning if I am not mistaken,but the delco bbs has not had too many problems,a moronic anonymous post here or there,but not any all out assaults on it.I know Ron started this bbs with the intent of being free,open,with no advertising but maybe the advertising might help. :)
 

RJTravel

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Jim,
I couldn't agree with you more. I too believe that moderate advertising serves to keep it much more professional. I like to visit both boards, but the censureship on this board is much more of a detraction.
Richard
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
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I wouldnt want to chase you off, but this BBS will never be advertised on by anyone. its post will never be sensored unless your being plain stupid. You can say the words delco, spraymart, hotsy and any other distributor you like. You can say hydrotek stinks if you like and you can say Landa is the best. You can even give your opinion of me if you like. My skin is thick and some love me and some hate me. SO WHAT.......

Some this all up you can go back to delco, LArry is a moderator here and post on occassion,, WHOOOPPPS so does steve and Mark and beth and Mike H and DOC and even DAN F WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! everyone posts here but they all may not post one other BBS....... Interesting that this place is a neutral ZONE.... BOY i wonder WHY????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Ok, I'll stop pretending and let you KNOW,,, No advertisers to step on, everone Knows That PWI belongs to the Pressure washing guys and Gals one the planets..

A guy Name Ron MArshal got pissed and Dan Flynn and Ron Musgraves decided to start PWI so people like you would never be thrown off a site and since the day of its inception the BBS world has changed. Less censorship has happened. Please go back and try to find key words on otehr BBS and you wont.

Ok, enough BBS 101 personally the TAMPAX was out of line, clean-x was what RJ really needed. Just kidding again RJ... Please understand i dont have a life. I spend my waking moments running a PW business. This is a release from the babys i baby sit on a reguala basis and when i see a VET like yourself i just assume your as tough as me. I'm truly sorry your a teddy bear and I wont play around with you anymore, Promise!!!!!
 
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