Pressure Washing Sidewalks
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I was just wondering if anyone out there was selling soaps to help offset the slow period in winter.I know some guys mix there own so why not label it and sell it for the do it yourself people. Just a thought.
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Pressure Washing Sidewalks
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How much more Dan. I mean do soaps have a patent on them.Whats to say someone couldnt find a soap they like send it out have it analyzed for the ingrediants then market it and sell it.I would think there has got to be more to it than that as far as regulations etc.Kind of scary if you sell soap for a living
Jon
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I tend to deal with known companies rather then private label companies for many reasons.
One being you know who they are and who makes it, with private label you know only who your buying it from, nothing about what is in it nor the amount of each chemical mixed.
Sure I mix other things with it to make it do the work I want it to do better and faster.
I am also experimenting with more enviromentally friendly products.
One being you know who they are and who makes it, with private label you know only who your buying it from, nothing about what is in it nor the amount of each chemical mixed.
Sure I mix other things with it to make it do the work I want it to do better and faster.
I am also experimenting with more enviromentally friendly products.
im not sure about patent >>>> maybe a trademark.................
why would you want to find out what's in a chem. and then go and label it your self and re-sell it? why dont ya just contact the folks that make it and tell 'em you would like to sell their product....I dont understand the logic here....
if you do re-sell a product that is made by someone else and you "re-label "it ........... then what are you going to do if that product for some reason has a "flaw" and destorys something...
Now what? you cant go back and talk to the REAL guys who made it........it would never stand in court...... so what i mean there is more to it than slapping a label on it............. this is just one reason....................hey just my thought man ////// just my thought................
why would you want to find out what's in a chem. and then go and label it your self and re-sell it? why dont ya just contact the folks that make it and tell 'em you would like to sell their product....I dont understand the logic here....
if you do re-sell a product that is made by someone else and you "re-label "it ........... then what are you going to do if that product for some reason has a "flaw" and destorys something...
Now what? you cant go back and talk to the REAL guys who made it........it would never stand in court...... so what i mean there is more to it than slapping a label on it............. this is just one reason....................hey just my thought man ////// just my thought................
Bigboy
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I have made it sold it and ladeled it in 55 gal. drums,5 gals. and gallons but hey I'm just a one man crew,I cann't do everything.Couldn't keep up and I didn't trust no one else with my deadly rattlesnakes.Like Dan said,a chemical company will make you any kind you want under any name you want without you getting snake bites.
Jim Bilyeu
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Gentelmen,
Being in the wood restoration business and being a manufacture and supplier of restoration products, this is what we have found.
In order to private lable a product, one must have something in writing (perferable a contract) from the manufacture giving you permission to do so. As long as you have this, the manufacture maintains liability on the product. The MSDS which is required by federal law is maintained by the manufacture. If the product is EPA registered, that is a whole different story. If the product you are private labeling has an EPA number, you must apply for a new EPA number under your product name. This is a big expensive proposition. We were going to buy Timber Coat 2000 (mildewcide) in the consentrated form, mix it with water ourselfs and market it under our own label, but we found out that if we mixed it, we would have to apply for a new EPA registeration number. This was way to expensive of an undertaking so we are now selling it under the original name in the consintrated form.
If you take one chemical and mix it with one or two other chemicals you have changed the compositions of those chemicals and have created a product, therefore you must have a MSDS and you are liable for that product.
It is almost impossible to get a product of this type patented.
As far as the Trade Mark goes, you can trade mark the product name and you can trade mark your logo. This can be expensive also.
This is just a small part of what you go through in manufacturing your own products. Like what was said before, "THERE"S A LOT MORE TO IT".
Jim Bilyeu
Exterior Woodcare/LOK-WOOD CO.
Being in the wood restoration business and being a manufacture and supplier of restoration products, this is what we have found.
In order to private lable a product, one must have something in writing (perferable a contract) from the manufacture giving you permission to do so. As long as you have this, the manufacture maintains liability on the product. The MSDS which is required by federal law is maintained by the manufacture. If the product is EPA registered, that is a whole different story. If the product you are private labeling has an EPA number, you must apply for a new EPA number under your product name. This is a big expensive proposition. We were going to buy Timber Coat 2000 (mildewcide) in the consentrated form, mix it with water ourselfs and market it under our own label, but we found out that if we mixed it, we would have to apply for a new EPA registeration number. This was way to expensive of an undertaking so we are now selling it under the original name in the consintrated form.
If you take one chemical and mix it with one or two other chemicals you have changed the compositions of those chemicals and have created a product, therefore you must have a MSDS and you are liable for that product.
It is almost impossible to get a product of this type patented.
As far as the Trade Mark goes, you can trade mark the product name and you can trade mark your logo. This can be expensive also.
This is just a small part of what you go through in manufacturing your own products. Like what was said before, "THERE"S A LOT MORE TO IT".
Jim Bilyeu
Exterior Woodcare/LOK-WOOD CO.
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David Thigpen
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soap sells
I do sell some to ad some extra income.I became pretty close to the manufacturer and he made me the oppertunity. It has worked out pretty good so far because, all of the comanys that I have called on that wash there on trucks. I just went back and sold the soap. So I can still get a sell out of them.
I do sell some to ad some extra income.I became pretty close to the manufacturer and he made me the oppertunity. It has worked out pretty good so far because, all of the comanys that I have called on that wash there on trucks. I just went back and sold the soap. So I can still get a sell out of them.
Pressure Washing Sidewalks
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Thanks for the replys guys.I guess their is a little more to it than i thought.That sounds like a good deal you have DAVE if you cant wash them you might as well sell them the soap!I have another question on soap guys.I have bought some soap in powder form and mixed it in small 1 or 5 gallon containers by adding water then the powder and shaking how are you mixing in large volumes like 55 gallon drums.I am thinking there must be some kind of a agitater that goes in the drum and if so where would i get one so i could mix in drums ?
Steven Rowlett
Member
Jim, You did a excellent job of describing what is involved with selling chemicals. Jeff you might want to consider selling our products locally. We have data & MSDS sheets that can be printed from our website and also on CD ROM catalogs also. We also carry a mixer you can attach to a 1/2" drill that expands and WILL fit down the bung hole of a 55 Gal. drum.
Jon
Member Specialist
Jeff,
If mixing in 5 gallon buckets there is something you can buy from any Home Depot or Lowes', go to the paint department and get the mixer that goes on the end of a power drill, it goes down and mixes the paint, would work well with other things to but remember your using electical power so stay on rubber mat and stay dry.
Jim,
Correct me if I am wrong, but as an end user it is legal for me to buy different chemicals and mix together without a new MSDS sheet since I have the ones for each seperate chemical?
I can see if I were to resale this how it would be illegal to start with, but for my personal use I should be ok, yes/no?
If mixing in 5 gallon buckets there is something you can buy from any Home Depot or Lowes', go to the paint department and get the mixer that goes on the end of a power drill, it goes down and mixes the paint, would work well with other things to but remember your using electical power so stay on rubber mat and stay dry.
Jim,
Correct me if I am wrong, but as an end user it is legal for me to buy different chemicals and mix together without a new MSDS sheet since I have the ones for each seperate chemical?
I can see if I were to resale this how it would be illegal to start with, but for my personal use I should be ok, yes/no?
Jim Bilyeu
Member
Jon,
In answer to your question about mixing chemicals for your personal use without having a MSDS. I am not an attorney and laws will vary from state to state. EPA regulations are federal and state controlled. EPA regulations are pretty much the same regardless of what state your in
This is a very gray area. Lets say for excample that you were doing a job and someone from the EPA walked up to you and asked to see your msds for the product you were spraying, What would you give them? You've taken one chemical and say you added two more, you have changed the chemical composition of all three of the chemicals so your msds sheets that you have for each chemical does not reflect the change. One thing for sure, if you have these chemicals mixed and transporting then, you best have a msds for that product (mixture). If you should have an accident and have a spill, your going to need one.
What I'm trying to say is as far as mixing your own at the job site, you may get away with it and you may not if you get caught. Depends on the mood of the agent who catches you. As far as transporting then, you will NOT get away with it if you have a spill and get caught.
A MSDS shows what chemicals are in a product and what % of each. It also shows if you are in complaince with the VOC regulations. The big thing is, if someone gets hurt or burnt with the product, the Dr./hospital will know what to treat for.
A person working on their own home or property is pretty much fee to do whatever they want to do, that is what I concider as "personal use". Being a contractor who works for other people is a whole different ball game and no longer falls under "personal use".
Sometimes it can get pretty scary and confusing being in business for yourself. If your mixing your own chemicals, check with your attorney to find out where you stand and what your liabilities are.
Just wanted to add this. If you got pulled over by the police and they found a bag of sulfer, a bag of patasium nitrait and a bag of charcoal, what do you think would happen to you if the officer knows his chemicals??? What would you say they were for???
Jim Bilyeu
Exterior Woodcare
In answer to your question about mixing chemicals for your personal use without having a MSDS. I am not an attorney and laws will vary from state to state. EPA regulations are federal and state controlled. EPA regulations are pretty much the same regardless of what state your in
This is a very gray area. Lets say for excample that you were doing a job and someone from the EPA walked up to you and asked to see your msds for the product you were spraying, What would you give them? You've taken one chemical and say you added two more, you have changed the chemical composition of all three of the chemicals so your msds sheets that you have for each chemical does not reflect the change. One thing for sure, if you have these chemicals mixed and transporting then, you best have a msds for that product (mixture). If you should have an accident and have a spill, your going to need one.
What I'm trying to say is as far as mixing your own at the job site, you may get away with it and you may not if you get caught. Depends on the mood of the agent who catches you. As far as transporting then, you will NOT get away with it if you have a spill and get caught.
A MSDS shows what chemicals are in a product and what % of each. It also shows if you are in complaince with the VOC regulations. The big thing is, if someone gets hurt or burnt with the product, the Dr./hospital will know what to treat for.
A person working on their own home or property is pretty much fee to do whatever they want to do, that is what I concider as "personal use". Being a contractor who works for other people is a whole different ball game and no longer falls under "personal use".
Sometimes it can get pretty scary and confusing being in business for yourself. If your mixing your own chemicals, check with your attorney to find out where you stand and what your liabilities are.
Just wanted to add this. If you got pulled over by the police and they found a bag of sulfer, a bag of patasium nitrait and a bag of charcoal, what do you think would happen to you if the officer knows his chemicals??? What would you say they were for???
Jim Bilyeu
Exterior Woodcare
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