Powdered Bleach Review Roof Cleaning Products

Guy Blackmon

Roundtable Host 2009
Hey Jeff, in the whole grand scheme of things....Really, What Does It Matter???? This is just all about you being right, right??? I mean haven't you been patted on the back enough??? Hasn't everyone told you "Jeff, Man You Were right All Along"??? Why didn't the others listen to you Jeff...Why O Why O Why?!?!?!

Kool-Aid Drinker, haven't been called that in a while. Guess if I was I would have bought the CD's, webanars, Wilderness Outings, nope didn't do that.

See Jeff, you don't know me, but the guys that do and have met me know that you're full of the same crap that shoots out of your mouth.

Have A Good One Buddy!!!
 

814jeffw

Active member
Oh yea Guy it does feel good,..Actually GREAT,..I had so many people ridin' me,..don't you think I feel like barking a little,..Ha,Ha... Yea,..it's time to drop this with you,..you're one of them...and just not worth it...

I may have even saved some people some money and EMBARASSMENT!!!

Jeff
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
I don't think anyone lost any money yet? Maybe Delux of AC....I understood they are returning the product. No Foul, actually they have Doug to thank for posting the problem. The entire world found out the truth here as always, no one is trying to say this worked.

I think your right people are embarrassed, its a sad day in the roof Cleaning industry.

Maybe with some more testing ???????

I actually have not launched my secret formula yet. Stay TUNED because I have used it for 10 years and you can drink it. Actually hydrate yourself while washing with it.

Oh yea Guy it does feel good,..Actually GREAT,..I had so many people ridin' me,..don't you think I feel like barking a little,..Ha,Ha... Yea,..it's time to drop this with you,..you're one of them...and just not worth it...

I may have even saved some people some money and EMBARASSMENT!!!

Jeff
 

pdmcali

New member
Michael Hinderliter arrived at my house today at about 1pm. We were on the job site by 2pm and by 7:30 Michael had completely restored the roof and completely removed the haze left by the Powdered Bleach Solution.

I explained to Mike that I purchased the Powdered Bleach solely because of Delux’s involvement and backing. My purchasing it had really had nothing to do with A.C.

I never purchase a product because of the “pitchman”, but the company that is behind it.

I can’t thank Michael and Delux Cleaning Supply enough for standing behind their product and the Customer Service that they showed me today. It was great to meet Michael in person and spend some time with him.

You’ll be happy to know that Michael accepted FULL RESPONSIBILITY for this problem and let me know that he has pulled the product and will no longer sell it until he is fully satisfied that this problem will never happen again. He also assured me that he will personally test the next product, if and when that happens, personally and more extensively himself many times and on many different surfaces.

He is also issuing me a FULL REFUND as well as anyone else that has purchased the product.

I would like to thank all of you for your support today and last night. Scott Davis from Confident Roof Cleaning stopped by the job site to offer assistance as did Chris Harwell from Roof Restore. I also talked to many people last night and today by phone including Larry Millette, Ron Musgraves, Chris Tucker, Danny Bates, and some others. In fact, it was Danny Bates who called me last night and told me, ‘don’t worry, Michael Hinderliter WILL take care of this problem,” and that helped to set my mind at ease a little bit last night.

To me this issue is over and I am completely satisfied with the end result. Time to get back to making some cash.
Thanks Again Everyone.

Doug I appreciate you posting the results that you had and how it was fixed. Alot of people talk about integrity but Micheal demostrated it today which goes a lot further than words.
 

814jeffw

Active member
Also posted on RCIA:

As I stated Guy,..I am done wth this,..not good for the board. The point has been made.

I probably shouldn't have went back to the "9 Days" thread,.Ha,Ha...which is why I think I took the a** statement out of the context in which you had written it,..yea,..thats on me. Sorry for that..

Hey Chuck,..I think we do think alike alot of the times,.Ha,Ha...now thats scary for both of us,..Ha,Ha..



("Lying peice of crap",..man,..you're mean,..Ha,Ha..)



Jeff
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
Hey Ron,..I'm done making waves here on your board,....I will let it die now,..EVEN if I'm provoked,.Ha,Ha...
Jeff
Opps mistaken again, Jeff you been here five years and your don't know the owners of this bbs?
 

814jeffw

Active member
Sorry Ron,..I haven't posted on this board for a while now,..yea,..I was always under the impression it was your board,...Ok,..I redirect that post to the real owners. I don't know who owns any of the boards except RCIA,..never found it relevant.

Jeff
 

greg/sd

New member
Doug that sucks about the haze on the roof glad it was resolved. post the msds for the product so all will know what it is. Chris T you helped AC push this on the rcia board without any testing and now you want to distance yourself. I feel Chris had a duty to his rcia guys to fully test the product before it was allowed to be pitched on the rcia. I seem to remember someone telling everyone to put all kinds of stupid shit in their roof mix. I wonder how many paint jobs got deglossed from that.
 

814jeffw

Active member
Doug that sucks about the haze on the roof glad it was resolved. post the msds for the product so all will know what it is. Chris T you helped AC push this on the rcia board without any testing and now you want to distance yourself. I feel Chris had a duty to his rcia guys to fully test the product before it was allowed to be pitched on the rcia. I seem to remember someone telling everyone to put all kinds of stupid shit in their roof mix. I wonder how many paint jobs got deglossed from that.

Hey Greg,..Chris Tucker did make a public aplogy to the RCIA board as to his passiveness on this whole deal. In the end,.though,..it is just a board,.. and Chris isn't responsible for our business's,... we are all adults that make our own consciuos decisions. He shouldn't be held responsible for anyones choice to purchase and use this stuff,..especially without doing their own testing on an "untested" product.

Also,..the MSDS is in this thread somewhere,..you can look all you want,..but it's simple CH.

Jeff
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
Sorry Ron,..I haven't posted on this board for a while now,..yea,..I was always under the impression it was your board,...Ok,..I redirect that post to the real owners. I don't know who owns any of the boards except RCIA,..never found it relevant.

Jeff

Thats relevant, who owns the RCIA org?

I have no issue with one man owning the org, but keep in mind when I got involved it was a real org with a corp set up. They where filing 501c3 or 6 status. Now you have a guy who I'm not sure collecting fee's for what?

I have paid my fee's and have never gotten even a phone call.

I'm not sure what's happening with the RCIA

If its Chris Tuckers personal business thats ok. I have no issue with Chris, we can work with Chris. I do see all these other guys acting as if they own it and are running the show.

I still think legally AC owns the org
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
Doug that sucks about the haze on the roof glad it was resolved. post the msds for the product so all will know what it is. Chris T you helped AC push this on the rcia board without any testing and now you want to distance yourself. I feel Chris had a duty to his rcia guys to fully test the product before it was allowed to be pitched on the rcia. I seem to remember someone telling everyone to put all kinds of stupid shit in their roof mix. I wonder how many paint jobs got deglossed from that.

The real question is there own association did promote this stuff, could people claim they understood this association in fact that AC owns be liable if there where any real damages?

I agree with your statement, lessons learned. The association will indeed have to test the merits of new products and review them so members could benefit from there membership.

So all in all lessons learned from all ends.
 

Apple Roof Cleaning

Roof Cleaning Instructor
Doug that sucks about the haze on the roof glad it was resolved. post the msds for the product so all will know what it is. Chris T you helped AC push this on the rcia board without any testing and now you want to distance yourself. I feel Chris had a duty to his rcia guys to fully test the product before it was allowed to be pitched on the rcia. I seem to remember someone telling everyone to put all kinds of stupid shit in their roof mix. I wonder how many paint jobs got deglossed from that.
Neither AC nor Delux was ever charged one dime Greg for offering this for sale on the RCIA Forum. Because of who AC is, I trusted him to deliver a product that worked. We use Liquid SH, so this product was not aimed at me. I never endorsed this product. I was however hopeful that it would work, mainly for our guys up North who can't get fresh SH like we can in Florida.
It seems like Delux trusted AC too.
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
I already know the answer, but maybe you should answer this Chris.

You own the RCIA forums? YES or NO

You own the RCIA org YES or NO

Who does own the RCIA org if you answer no?



Neither AC nor Delux was ever charged one dime Greg for offering this for sale on the RCIA Forum. Because of who AC is, I trusted him to deliver a product that worked. We use Liquid SH, so this product was not aimed at me. I never endorsed this product. I was however hopeful that it would work, mainly for our guys up North who can't get fresh SH like we can in Florida.
It seems like Delux trusted AC too.
 

Apple Roof Cleaning

Roof Cleaning Instructor
The real question is there own association did promote this stuff, could people claim they understood this association in fact that AC owns be liable if there where any real damages?

I agree with your statement, lessons learned. The association will indeed have to test the merits of new products and review them so members could benefit from there membership.

So all in all lessons learned from all ends.
The Forum and the Corporation that was formed are 2 separate entities. RCIA trusted AC and Delux to deliver a product that worked.
 

greg/sd

New member
By pushing AC on the rcia board and being the roof cleaning expert master instructor you would expect him to voice any concerns(that he said he had). How can you have a cert program and not know the process of one of your biggest name members at the time. I know that everyone is responsible for their own business, My point is that I've seen the snake oil before from him so dont throw stones. I knew the powdered stuff wouldn't work and I knew mallard didn't use it. they have been a competitor of mine for a long time. That being said AC seem's to be a good guy with a not well thought out product that shouldn't have been on the market. As far as his business excursions I think he was pushing more about how to build your business model and less about how to clean, and from what I've heard it has worked for the people that bought it
 
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