One Restore vs. F9 BARC -side by side

Paul Kassander

New member
I have a building that needs to be cleaned in town here and I have been trying to find a product to really get the job done. I started with a full strength bleach mix which I thought would do the trick but it did absolutely nothing. I tried a second application and still no results.

I went back later and did a test spot with some one restore and it took off about 50% of the buildup which really looked a lot better but not quite as good as I wanted. I spoke with several brick experts to see what I was doing wrong (Besides the temperatures). Thanks to Aaron Ritchie of Benchmark and Eacho Chem for going over the process with me to get the best results.

So today I went down to the building again to try another area to see if I could get any better results. Air temp was 45 degrees and the area I did was in the shade so the surface was definitely cool. Last night the temps were in the 30s as well.

For the process I applied the product to the test area and let it dwell for 10 min. Then I reapplied the product again and let it dwell again for 10 more min. Then I rinsed with cold water at about 1500 psi. When I end up doing the whole building I do not want to use too much pressure so we can avoid having to do a lot of tuck pointing. I wanted to see what the real results would be by using this method not just to try and impress the owner.

While I was there I decided to try some F9 to see how it would do on the metallic rust stains I saw and then just for fun I decided to see what it would do on the brick. Here are the pictures of my results.

One Restore Sprayed on left side-Right side untreated:
one restore on brick.JPG

One restore Left side Right side F9: (note that the one restore is a much foamier product. The lack of visual chemical reaction had me expecting a much different result.)
one restore-f9 on brick.JPG

One Restore left side-F9 Right side closeup:
one restore-F9 closeup.JPG


One Restore left side- F9 right side: (after rinse)
one restore-F9 final rinse.JPG
This surprised me because if you look closely at the previous pictures you can see the one restore making the black run off the surface and the F9 appears to be doing nothing.

One restore left-F9 right: (Closeup after rinse)
one restore-F9 closeup final rinse.JPG

If you look at the runoff you can also see how the F9 took the rust stains out of the concrete with the little runoff evenly across the surface, where the One restore only took it off where the runoff was real heavy.

In this side by side comparison F9 BARC wins hands down.

Oh and on the rust stains...Best product I have EVER used.
 

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Christopher

Moderator
There are times when the temperatures are below 50 degrees, a lot of chemicals don't work as good or as fast as when it is warmer outside.
 

Doug Rucker

Roundtable Host 2009
2 things....

1)I told ya so.

2) Aaron Ritchie is my first call every time I have a question about brick.. He is a huge help.
 

Ed Thompson

New member
I dont do much big commercial, so my question is: wouldnt using either product create a high overhead for the job? I really like the f9, but would like it a lot more if it were a bit cheaper.
 

Ed Thompson

New member
I think Im the only guy talking price with these products. I think I never been in a big enough pinch where I could say, "man, that stuff is worth it at any price". Maybe the type of work we do is just basic homeowner and rarely need these products as much. Hopefully next year I'll be singing a different tune.
 

Steven Button

Administrator
Paul, what kind of staining/buildup are you removing? Is this leeching from the brick or is it some kind of environmental buildup?
 

Connor

New member
Great stuff. Except I like to also have a spray bottle on the rig with some for spot treating. However I have tried 3 different bottles and all have stopped working after a week. Something in it kills my spray bottles. lol
 

Craig

Member
I dont do much big commercial, so my question is: wouldnt using either product create a high overhead for the job? I really like the f9, but would like it a lot more if it were a bit cheaper.

Just food for thought... what if you used half as much product, a product worked twice as fast and the results were twice as good? Labor, speed and efficiency are an even larger part of a restoration project. A guy who has to go back several times or who spends an extra hour on the job adds up quickly.

I think this was a great comparison, nice job Paul.
 
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Ed Thompson

New member
I agree Craig. I was never quite in the position to say: hey, I would've paid more for a better product to get me outa here faster with better results. My mind is geared mostly to compare things cost per gallon. I wish everything that worked well was $2/gal. Your product is good hands down.
 

Ron Musgraves

Exterior Restoration Specialist
Staff member
This is why I love this Place
I have a building that needs to be cleaned in town here and I have been trying to find a product to really get the job done. I started with a full strength bleach mix which I thought would do the trick but it did absolutely nothing. I tried a second application and still no results.

I went back later and did a test spot with some one restore and it took off about 50% of the buildup which really looked a lot better but not quite as good as I wanted. I spoke with several brick experts to see what I was doing wrong (Besides the temperatures). Thanks to Aaron Ritchie of Benchmark and Eacho Chem for going over the process with me to get the best results.

So today I went down to the building again to try another area to see if I could get any better results. Air temp was 45 degrees and the area I did was in the shade so the surface was definitely cool. Last night the temps were in the 30s as well.

For the process I applied the product to the test area and let it dwell for 10 min. Then I reapplied the product again and let it dwell again for 10 more min. Then I rinsed with cold water at about 1500 psi. When I end up doing the whole building I do not want to use too much pressure so we can avoid having to do a lot of tuck pointing. I wanted to see what the real results would be by using this method not just to try and impress the owner.

While I was there I decided to try some F9 to see how it would do on the metallic rust stains I saw and then just for fun I decided to see what it would do on the brick. Here are the pictures of my results.

One Restore Sprayed on left side-Right side untreated:
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One restore Left side Right side F9: (note that the one restore is a much foamier product. The lack of visual chemical reaction had me expecting a much different result.)
View attachment 22044

One Restore left side-F9 Right side closeup:
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One Restore left side- F9 right side: (after rinse)
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This surprised me because if you look closely at the previous pictures you can see the one restore making the black run off the surface and the F9 appears to be doing nothing.

One restore left-F9 right: (Closeup after rinse)
View attachment 22047

If you look at the runoff you can also see how the F9 took the rust stains out of the concrete with the little runoff evenly across the surface, where the One restore only took it off where the runoff was real heavy.

In this side by side comparison F9 BARC wins hands down.

Oh and on the rust stains...Best product I have EVER used.
 

Paul Kassander

New member
Great stuff. Except I like to also have a spray bottle on the rig with some for spot treating. However I have tried 3 different bottles and all have stopped working after a week. Something in it kills my spray bottles. lol

Not sure whay that would happen Connor. Unless someone is adding an alkline substance to it I would not think it would go bad. Was it the one restore you were having the issues with?
 

Guy Blackmon

Roundtable Host 2009
Not sure whay that would happen Connor. Unless someone is adding an alkline substance to it I would not think it would go bad. Was it the one restore you were having the issues with?

I think he's talking about his spray bottles stopped working, not neutralizing the acid.
 

dieseldad97

New member
Wow, the pictures tells us the true story here. Question for you Paul: how did you apply the f9 and at what mixture is it being used..straight? Great job with the pics and the comparison for us washers!
 

pdmcali

New member
That looks great. Two weeks ago we were washing some condos which has a concrete exterior and there was one area that had some black spots that would not come out. Our of desperation we try some F9 and it seem to simply disappear after rinseing.
 

Johnson

New member
That looks great. Two weeks ago we were washing some condos which has a concrete exterior and there was one area that had some black spots that would not come out. Our of desperation we try some F9 and it seem to simply disappear after rinseing.

Phil, that's good to know.
Are you going to be busy tomorrow? I need to give you a call.
 
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