My thoughts

Ok I called Doug yesterday (instead of posting) and voice my opinion on what was happening on pwi because I did not want to get hammered by you guys.
In my opinion pretty much told him the mods where not doing their job at moderation and that a moderator should moderate neutral (like a referee).
He assured me it I would like it better in a couple weeks.
I am not a conformational guy for the most part, yeah I have been pushed and lost my cool in the moment, but even after that I most of the time I realize maybe what I said was
Not Christian like and hopefully I said I am sorry to whom I was attacking and more importantly ask God to forgive me for the sin I have committed.
So I reckon my point is this, you can disagree with someone adamantly, but it is the words you use to do so is what is damaging.
Is it still necessary to use hateful words or references to describe a group of people
Whom you disagree with?
I will tell everyone here like I try and tell my family…..If your heart is in the right place, Love will come out not anger. For the most part my family still thinks I am judging them and who am I to judge because they seen me sin too, (they just don’t see me ask for forgiveness.)
Hope this helps someone
 
Heres the Point Al, you can voice your thoughts and opinions. Sometimes we may agree or disagree, can you handle that is the question?

I agree with Doug, it will get better because the negativity has left the building. I'm sure while some celebrate others will be upset. Thats what happens when someone gets Banned. Not all will agree with it, this is why it takes a lot for a ban to happen. Especially when the members is a 13 year old Vet.

John is Gone for Good and from what the Admins are saying its permanent.

Not because of disagreements but because he was stuck in the middle or each argument not really helping anyone solve the issues.

Al I ask you instead of complaining offer advice more detailed on how you would have handled the subject, how can pwi staff prevent this from happening again and again.


Remember we all choose to have arguments here, we can and should remain pros. People do not always agree, I have arguments with kids. My kids know it all, they know much better than I do until it happens and they learn on there own. Often adults need the same things to happen to them.
 
I stick with the ones who will not stab me in the back. If you watch long enough you will see who is self seeking (Envious) and who is not. I admire loyalty and it is sad to see how some people will try to act like they are changed or repentant, just to stab again. It is a mental illness. You can tell sometimes when, a thread is loaded with crap from another forum or private message. Then they will come and try to prove something or get someone to slip and say the wrong thing. This breeds paranoia and a hostile environment. Some people will seem innocent if you don't know them and how they do things. Ultimately, you have to know who is on your side and pray for the mentally ill. I tend to like people who are forgiving most of all, because I need it sometimes.
 
Mr. Patterson you are a good Man, and there is nothing wrong with your opinions, for the most part I agree but, I will also say that as Christians we're not expected to "Turn A Blind Eye" when we see our Brothers being Deceived, wronged, and lied to.

"You (Meaning Man) will judge a Man by the fruits of their labors" That's the written word Mr. Patterson, but not the ultimate judgement.

Questions were asked, those questions were dodged or not answered at all, words were twisted, lies were told....As a Christian what would you translate that into?

Although my questions were not answered directly, the "Labors" not to answer them ultimately told the truth.......As it always will.

Truth will always walk in the light, it cannot hide in the light.
 
Al, you brought yourself into this one. I'd like to make a few suggestions for your to direct your latent anger towards.

Here are some posts from a very famous text that you might want to contact the Admin and have them removed and get the speakers of such angry words censured or banned.

Jesus:

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’

You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.’

You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

In the temple courts he found people selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!”



Paul:

Why don’t these agitators, obsessive as they are about circumcision, go all the way and castrate themselves!





If you would like I could provide you with more incriminating evidence against others from and earlier text like Moses, Elijah, Elisha, Joshua, Eleazar, and many others. But somehow I got the impression that that earlier text is something you might consider of less importance.

Good luck in your quest in turning Christianity into something it isn't and never has been. (That was sarcasm by the way)


Thankfully Paul left us with this simple explanation of Christianity the seems to buck against your judgmental attitude towards others who don't follow your beliefs on "language" and believe that Christianity teaches them to lay down prone while evil rolls right over them and the rest of the world. We are the salt. Not the dirt, and our passion comes from within, not from what we profess without. Here's what Paul said:


What actually took place is this: I tried keeping rules and working my head off to please God, and it didn’t work. So I quit being a “law man” so that I could be God’s man. Christ’s life showed me how, and enabled me to do it. I identified myself completely with him. Indeed, I have been crucified with Christ. My ego is no longer central. It is no longer important that I appear righteous before you or have your good opinion, and I am no longer driven to impress God. Christ lives in me. The life you see me living is not “mine,” but it is lived by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I am not going to go back on that.

Is it not clear to you that to go back to that old rule-keeping, peer-pleasing religion would be an abandonment of everything personal and free in my relationship with God? I refuse to do that, to repudiate God’s grace. If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily.



Thank you for your suggestions Al, but there isn't one single thing I would go back on or change my approach on in regards to this board. If I am wrong, I am wrong, but I've not made my stances without study of the issues we are discussing and prayer before confronting them. You may not like the words I use. Well, that's tough. I'm sure the Pharisees didn't like being called vipers either. I believe my heart is right and I have faith that God directs my paths. (even in my imperfection)

As I told you on the phone, Al, you have a lot of nerve preaching to others about how they talk on the boards when you won't even be honest enough to tell the truth about the thousands you spent on reclaim equipment that has sat dormant for years now. You have a golden opportunity to be a witness against the corrupt practices of selling contractors on fear instead of utility, yet you refuse. You made the excuse to me that you had "changed direction" of your business and now are doing residential. If the prophetic words of the likes of Hinderliter and Gamble were true, just the mere existence of that equipment in your garage should have practically made you an instant millionaire! But no. Alas, it did not work. And you refuse to admit it. You didn't have any problem prophesying about how more regulation was "coming" and how everyone was going to need reclaim like you have soon, but somehow you went mute when it failed. That is dishonest Al, no matter what king of paper you try to wrap it in.

And the sad thing is you still refuse to use this opportunity to do good and let others know that spending that money was not the best direction you could have gone with your family's funds. Maybe this verse can help encourage you to come forward:

James 4:17 To him therefore that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Good luck with your residential work Al. Don't call me again until you have taken care of this long overdue business of publicly warning your brother contractors about the folly of the reclaim sales pitch. I'll get someone else to pull the splinter out of my eye. Al. Matt: 7:3.
 
Come on Tony, there's no latent anger in Al's words or his observations.

He was "Duped" by these people, I would expect anger from him but that's not the case in his post. His post is about forgiveness & tolerance of our fellow Man, and I agree to a certain point.

I think you need acknowledge that and respect it, I do.

Just saying Buddy,
 
Come on Tony, there's no latent anger in Al's words or his observations.

He was "Duped" by these people, I would expect anger from him but that's not the case in his post. His post is about forgiveness & tolerance of our fellow Man, and I agree to a certain point.

I think you need acknowledge that and respect it, I do.

Just saying Buddy,


Guy, brother, I have to differ. Al and I spent the first few minutes of an hour long conversation yelling at each other.

We both apologized to each other for the yelling and there was no harm done either way, at least as far as I'm concerned.

He was mad at me because I brought his name up on the board as an example of one who was duped. He claimed that was his "private business" and shouldn't be posted on the board.

I countered that if that was the case he should have kept his private business to himself instead of bragging about his reclaim and warning all of us how we were all going to be forced to have it in the near future. (btw, that was as far back as 2007 - over 5 years ago!!)

But there is harm done by his taking a lesson he learned and refusing to share that valuable lesson with others so they don't make the same mistake.

I don't know how much you know Al, but his circle of salvation is pretty small. I don't fit in it and I would venture to say that since you "swore to God" in another post, you wouldn't fit in it either.

Al is more than welcome to his opinion on religion and I defend his right to say it. Even if I or anyone else disagrees with it.

That is why I fought for his religious thread to stay. It was uplifting and helped a lot of us.

But to have an opportunity to be a voice of truth in this reclaim situation, yet refuse to do so out of pride, or to protect those who he feels have been "picked on" (Hinderliter, Gamble, etc) is clearly cowardly and wrong. And those were the exact words I used on the phone when we spoke.

I would have never mentioned this again, and would have left Al completely alone to live with his own conscience had he not come back on here preaching at us for only doing what we think is right.

You are right, Al is a good man. But his actions are detrimental to our industry which is not a religious institution.

That is where I'm coming from on this Guy. Nothing personal with Al, just desirous of him to step forward and man up so he can help others.
 
Tony I see what you're saying, but Al's post was not "pushy" or preachy IMO. Whether you, me or Al fits the criteria of " Christian" is not up to "Man" or what they think. You have the right to your opinion the same as Al, but you don't have to beat someone half to death with your response when you disagree.....I put myself in that category also.

Al's post was "Civil" why not keep it that way?
 
Tony I see what you're saying, but Al's post was not "pushy" or preachy IMO. Whether you, me or Al fits the criteria of " Christian" is not up to "Man" or what they think. You have the right to your opinion the same as Al, but you don't have to beat someone half to death with your response when you disagree.....I put myself in that category also.

Al's post was "Civil" why not keep it that way?

Very well.

I do wish he would tell the truth about the reclaim before telling all of us how to run the forum though.

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my reclaim story

Ok I am going to come clean and explain how I came about to buy my reclaims setup
That supposedly was worth 10 of thousands dollars.
There is a reason that I am not mad because I built my reclaim setup.
I do not feel like I was dupped into buying it, on the contrary the company that sold it to me suggested me not buying it, that me being a one man show with no employees and no commercial contracts that I simply did not need it.
That company still works on my stuff and the reclaim has been sitting in their shop all this time and they keep reminding me jokingly that they told me I did not need it and one day they might charge me rent to store it.
The reason I built the rig is….maybe some of you might remember Bradley aka Wetfoot.
If you remember I spoke highly of him and he was not liked on here much
(I am sure everyone has their on reasons, which I will not get into)
Well the first couple rigs he had was built by the ones who sold and built mine. Regardless what anyone thought of his tactics or his job performance or personality.
He had a good thing going, he had up to 4 big rigs full reclaim and had stores all over the south. Rigs was going all night long 8 hrs + a day.
Even though I didn’t see checks… if math is correct he could gross Mega bucks a night. I have no idea the cost of labor or fuel so I don’t know what he actually made profit.
Anyways back to the story….I reckon I seen something he had and I thought that maybe I wanted it too.
My intentions was to piggy back off Bradly and maybe get into the Walmarts and the big bucks.
I thought I was pretty good friends with him and maybe he would help me get started on commercial work.
So I told the company(not going to mention who...but rest assured it was not sunbrite or any other distributor anyone has mentioned...
they don't stock them...I told them to order me one) to build me a rig just like his….the differences would be that I would use the equipment off my old rig and all I would have to by is the reclaim equipment and a trailer to put it on.
The trailer cost the most…it was a enclosed 24ft aluminum featherlight trailer…
Well I hired the company to build it for me just like Wetfoots so if I worked with him he would be familiar with it, if somehow we worked together.
Long story short the only time we run it was when I went out to clean some walmarts for Bradley…..(That is why it has only 54 hrs on it)
I tried to work something out with Bradley but it did not work out for what ever reason or another. (I know…but not going to post it publicly)
The problems with the big rig build was that first of all it was to big….it would wear my truck out hauling it all over the country, really need a 350 to pull it.
My skid was to small, only a 5.5 at 4000 with propane heat, I worked side my side with him with his 8gal alkotas and he would walk off and leave me.
I could not cool down the enclosed trailer running all the equipment, it was 110 degrees+ and machine would not run properly because not enough fresh air was coming in.
About that time Jonathon had his wreck and I decided I did not want to travel at night and be away from home.
So I have kept on washing by myself no employees and still no commercial contracts.
Do I want commercial contracts?? Maybe I do, but if I do it be on a small scale that do not require it like walmarts. I still do not want employees at this time.
I like to live a simple life, Some people like to manage some like to do the work themselves. I just happen to like the work and live a simple life with not a lot of headaches when it come to having a bunch of employees that you are responsible for
Their livelihood.
Now I have built another rig that has 4 pressure washers, 2 525 poly tanks with all the trimmings….Way more than what I need to wash one house.
I am sure I can only run one at a time, but the extra is there if I need it.
Is it a bad investment? Who knows?
I like to have something no one else has, not that I will maximize it usefulness, but
So a customer can look at my rig and be impressed, therefore giving me the job.
Regardless the money I spent on my business the past 13 yrs is my choice and I do not blame anyone for the shortcoming I might accur.
I hope this clears things up….

yeah I am kinda proud of my new set up.. yeah probably overkill... but it is what i want and my wife said I could build it!!
 

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Ok I called Doug yesterday (instead of posting) and voice my opinion on what was happening on pwi because I did not want to get hammered by you guys.
In my opinion pretty much told him the mods where not doing their job at moderation and that a moderator should moderate neutral (like a referee).
He assured me it I would like it better in a couple weeks.
I am not a conformational guy for the most part, yeah I have been pushed and lost my cool in the moment, but even after that I most of the time I realize maybe what I said was
Not Christian like and hopefully I said I am sorry to whom I was attacking and more importantly ask God to forgive me for the sin I have committed.
So I reckon my point is this, you can disagree with someone adamantly, but it is the words you use to do so is what is damaging.
Is it still necessary to use hateful words or references to describe a group of people
Whom you disagree with?
I will tell everyone here like I try and tell my family…..If your heart is in the right place, Love will come out not anger. For the most part my family still thinks I am judging them and who am I to judge because they seen me sin too, (they just don’t see me ask for forgiveness.)
Hope this helps someone

I didn't see a problem. Very lenient to allow someone to spam a thread and continually insult others. I think it was handled well to allow exposure.
 
Ok I called Doug yesterday (instead of posting) and voice my opinion on what was happening on pwi because I did not want to get hammered by you guys.
In my opinion pretty much told him the mods where not doing their job at moderation and that a moderator should moderate neutral (like a referee).
He assured me it I would like it better in a couple weeks.
I am not a conformational guy for the most part, yeah I have been pushed and lost my cool in the moment, but even after that I most of the time I realize maybe what I said was
Not Christian like and hopefully I said I am sorry to whom I was attacking and more importantly ask God to forgive me for the sin I have committed.
So I reckon my point is this, you can disagree with someone adamantly, but it is the words you use to do so is what is damaging.
Is it still necessary to use hateful words or references to describe a group of people
Whom you disagree with?
I will tell everyone here like I try and tell my family…..If your heart is in the right place, Love will come out not anger. For the most part my family still thinks I am judging them and who am I to judge because they seen me sin too, (they just don’t see me ask for forgiveness.)
Hope this helps someone

I didn't see a problem. Very lenient to allow someone to spam a thread and continually insult others. I think it was handled well to allow exposure of an important subject.
 
My business is in the Atlanta area where we are in the middle of a drought and to make matters worse, They are starting to enforce the law of reclaiming our water, which many of you already do on the west coast.
With that happening along with the drought, the smaller companies that are not willing to invest as much as 10k to 20K are going to be forced out of business.
I have just recently invested lotsa $$$$ in a steel eagle fury system to recapture and recycle my water to comply with the law so I am redirecting my business in a direction I am just learning about, which brings me to this post.................
I'm putting together a bid for a 3 level parking garage in downtown Buckhead (Upscale neighborhood).
It is approx 32,180 sq ft. on each level for a total of 96,540 sq ft.
There are poor drainage on each floor so I plan to recapture and recycle my water.
I have heard some of the pricing can go as high as .20 to .25 sq ft
Would that be a fair price if you was in a upscale part of town and you was reclaiming and recycling your water as well?
As far as supply and demand they are not PW business here in Atlanta that have invested $$$ in a reclaim system.
Since most of this is new to me I would like talk to some of you guys on the phone and we can share ideas and thoughts on what we experience in the pressure washing business. Just let me know its ok to call you and I will buzz you sometime!!
Thanks for your responses

The quote above is from 11/01/07. The part in red sounds very familiar. But it doesn't sound like Bradley, at least nothing I've ever heard him say.


...........I was taught at a young age if you can do it when most others can't...you will make money!!
I now have a new complete reclaim/recycle system with 2 pressure washers, One is 6 gal/min and the other is 11 gal/min capable of carrying 1050 gal water enclosed in a 24ft aluminum goose neck trailer.
Now back to the Title........Maybe we can help on another, don't turn down jobs because you do not have the equipment needed to be compliant with the law because of all the restrictions. To be most productive with my equipment, I need a experienced pressure washer to help me...This would be a great way generate more income for you and get experience pressure washing using a reclaim system within the EPA guidelines. I am not looking to hire full time at this time.
But simply put.... Before you turn down work give me a call and we can both go to job and knock it out and both of us make some money!!

Sounds like you got the equipment, THEN later hooked up with Bradley, but hey, what do I know?


Ron, as you know, I have around 30k invested in my reclaim, Even though I don't use it much, I really don't want it to become obsolete piece of equipment. As of right now, just having this equipment in sets me apart from my competition even if its not being used.
A letter of apology wont help me get a return on my investment.

Wow, last I looked $30,000 WAS tens of thousands. Maybe my math is off.


Good grief Al. I looked back at your old posts. You started off all gung ho, then turned on a dime when Jim Gamble was booted and you've basically done nothing but whine and complain about Jim's ban and whine and complain about how the board is run ever since.

I'm going to put you on ignore from now on. I suggest you do the same with me. There are many things worth time and effort on here, events affecting contractors are one of them. But listening to a self imposed referee whining every time there is a disagreement is not one of those things.
 
sorry double post...tried to quote it to tonys post to me

I tried to take your suggestion on the ignore, but I would not let me because you are admin or mod. Was u able to put me on your ignore list?

"I'm going to put you on ignore from now on. I suggest you do the same with me. There are many things worth time and effort on here, events affecting contractors are one of them. But listening to a self imposed referee whining every time there is a disagreement is not one of those things."
 
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