Driveway and Sidewalk Business?

wizba4444

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Hey all,
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This is my first post and I'd like to think out loud and get some advice and information.

I'm in Sarasota, Fl and I've thought about a pressure washing business for years that focuses on driveways and sidewalks only.*In time move to commercial Flat work?

I owned Apple Painting in Sarasota for about 15 years and started it in 92 coming out of a recession. I made some great money by going after niche work and the momentum as the economy grew was very powerful. I wonder if the same thing can be done with pressure washing?*This business has come a long way since I was washing houses before painting and I'd like some input.

I believe it would require volume work within one subdivision at a time to be cost affective and walking neighborhoods with fliers to be successful. Also, I could see attempting to sell commercial properties and associations on the flat work only.

The big dollar items are hard for everyone right now, so I wonder if the compromise is small dollar stuff now. Instead of the house, the driveway and walks.( $45- $95 ) Instead of the apartment buildings, just the walks or maybe balconies. Condo Associations can improve the properties appearance by cleaning the drives and sidewalks for now. each resident pays $20-$30 kind of thing.

I'm working on a flier I will use to test for the response rate and say that the pricing is for that week only while we are in that neighborhood.*

If this could work the next question is what rig and equipment to start out with and what are the best cleaners to use? We only used chlorine back in the day.

In talking to some folks locally, this is what I've come up with so far to try to get it up and running:

-10 foot trailer

-4000psi hot water washer

-110 gallon tank

-20" or 16" surface cleaner ( I'd like to go bigger, but I'm told smaller is quicker.) *I assume that is unless you are putting out 8-10 gallons.

-what cleaners would you suggest?

-Obviously speed is the key so anything I can do to build it for the most efficiency would be the best.*

-We don't have water recovery laws here in Fla do we? Coming soon?

I'd love any suggestions or constructive criticism you can give. Or am I just plain crazy to even think about it?

Thanks in advance

P.S. I originally posted this in the wrong place so I'm reposting here and will now try to go delete the other.
 
You can't delete it, but maybe one of the mods will....But anyway welcome, do alot of searching and you will find that alot of the answers to your questions are right there...Good luck
 
Welcome Tim! This business is not hard to get into...... Its hard to stay in. Compitition is fierce. Hillsborough county (Tampa) Has over 297 registered companies. Keep in mind that is registered companies and not including all of the part timers and under the table guys that are everywhere. We also get guys from all of the neighboring counties.

For what you are looking to do you need a large tank due to the fact that 95% of spickets will not be able to keep up with a machine that can keep you moving fast. Also I have to bring water to a lot of my work sites due to the fact the the spickets are the home owners and not the associations.

The Clean water act is Federal so yes we do. Are they inforced not always but we are hearing more and more stories of fines.
 
Thanks Kory,

The staying in business part is the part that worries me.

With hot water do I need much in the way of chemicals to clean and what would you recommend.
 
Greetings:

I am in Sarasota as well, and I will give you some great advice, if you are going to have your trailer built, stay away from PSI, on either Clark or Bee Ridge, I have seen so many guys go there buy a triler that is seriously over priced and put together like junk.

As far as the clean water act is concerned , yes it is in place nationly, however FLorida DEP usualy sticks you with the Florida litter law and it reads as follows:




403.413 Florida Litter Law.--
(1) SHORT TITLE.--This section may be cited as the "Florida Litter Law."
(2) DEFINITIONS.--As used in this section:
(a) "Litter" means any garbage; rubbish; trash; refuse; can; bottle; box; container; paper; tobacco product; tire; appliance; mechanical equipment or part; building or construction material; tool; machinery; wood; motor vehicle or motor vehicle part; vessel; aircraft; farm machinery or equipment; sludge from a waste treatment facility, water supply treatment plant, or air pollution control facility; or substance in any form resulting from domestic, industrial, commercial, mining, agricultural, or governmental operations.
(b) "Person" means any individual, firm, sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, or unincorporated association.
(c) "Law enforcement officer" means any officer of the Florida Highway Patrol, a county sheriff's department, a municipal law enforcement department, a law enforcement department of any other political subdivision, the department, or the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission. In addition, and solely for the purposes of this section, "law enforcement officer" means any employee of a county or municipal park or recreation department designated by the department head as a litter enforcement officer.
(d) "Aircraft" means a motor vehicle or other vehicle that is used or designed to fly but does not include a parachute or any other device used primarily as safety equipment.
(e) "Commercial purpose" means for the purpose of economic gain.
(f) "Commercial vehicle" means a vehicle that is owned or used by a business, corporation, association, partnership, or sole proprietorship or any other entity conducting business for a commercial purpose.
(g) "Dump" means to dump, throw, discard, place, deposit, or dispose of.
(h) "Motor vehicle" means an automobile, motorcycle, truck, trailer, semitrailer, truck tractor, or semitrailer combination or any other vehicle that is powered by a motor.
(i) "Vessel" means a boat, barge, or airboat or any other vehicle used for transportation on water.
(3) RESPONSIBILITY OF LOCAL GOVERNING BODY OF A COUNTY OR MUNICIPALITY.--The local governing body of a county or a municipality shall determine the training and qualifications of any employee of the county or municipality or any employee of the county or municipal park or recreation department designated to enforce the provisions of this section if the designated employee is not a regular law enforcement officer.
(4) DUMPING LITTER PROHIBITED.--Unless otherwise authorized by law or permit, it is unlawful for any person to dump litter in any manner or amount:
(a) In or on any public highway, road, street, alley, or thoroughfare, including any portion of the right-of-way thereof, or any other public lands, except in containers or areas lawfully provided therefor. When any litter is thrown or discarded from a motor vehicle, the operator or owner of the motor vehicle, or both, shall be deemed in violation of this section;
(b) In or on any freshwater lake, river, canal, or stream or tidal or coastal water of the state, including canals. When any litter is thrown or discarded from a boat, the operator or owner of the boat, or both, shall be deemed in violation of this section; or
(c) In or on any private property, unless prior consent of the owner has been given and unless the dumping of such litter by such person will not cause a public nuisance or otherwise be in violation of any other state or local law, rule, or regulation.
(5) DUMPING RAW HUMAN WASTE PROHIBITED.--Unless otherwise authorized by law or permit, it is unlawful for any person to dump raw human waste from any train, aircraft, motor vehicle, or vessel upon the public or private lands or waters of the state.
(6) PENALTIES; ENFORCEMENT.--
(a) Any person who dumps litter in violation of subsection (4) in an amount not exceeding 15 pounds in weight or 27 cubic feet in volume and not for commercial purposes is guilty of a noncriminal infraction, punishable by a civil penalty of $100, from which $50 shall be deposited into the Solid Waste Management Trust Fund to be used for the solid waste management grant program pursuant to s. 403.7095. In addition, the court may require the violator to pick up litter or perform other labor commensurate with the offense committed.
(b) Any person who dumps litter in violation of subsection (4) in an amount exceeding 15 pounds in weight or 27 cubic feet in volume, but not exceeding 500 pounds in weight or 100 cubic feet in volume and not for commercial purposes is guilty of a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. In addition, the court shall require the violator to pick up litter or perform other community service commensurate with the offense committed. Further, if the violation involves the use of a motor vehicle, upon a finding of guilt, whether or not adjudication is withheld or whether imposition of sentence is withheld, deferred, or suspended, the court shall forward a record of the finding to the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles, which shall record a penalty of three points on the violator's driver's license pursuant to the point system established by s. 322.27.
(c) Any person who dumps litter in violation of subsection (4) in an amount exceeding 500 pounds in weight or 100 cubic feet in volume or in any quantity for commercial purposes, or dumps litter which is a hazardous waste as defined in s. 403.703, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083. In addition, the court may order the violator to:
1. Remove or render harmless the litter that he or she dumped in violation of this section;
2. Repair or restore property damaged by, or pay damages for any damage arising out of, his or her dumping litter in violation of this section; or
3. Perform public service relating to the removal of litter dumped in violation of this section or to the restoration of an area polluted by litter dumped in violation of this section.
(d) A court may enjoin a violation of this section.
(e) A motor vehicle, vessel, aircraft, container, crane, winch, or machine used to dump litter that exceeds 500 pounds in weight or 100 cubic feet in volume is declared contraband and is subject to forfeiture in the same manner as provided in ss. 932.703 and 932.704.
(f) If a person sustains damages arising out of a violation of this section that is punishable as a felony, a court, in a civil action for such damages, shall order the person to pay the injured party threefold the actual damages or $200, whichever amount is greater. In addition, the court shall order the person to pay the injured party's court costs and attorney's fees. A final judgment rendered in a criminal proceeding against a defendant under this section estops the defendant from asserting any issue in a subsequent civil action under this paragraph which he or she would be estopped from asserting if such judgment were rendered in the civil action unless the criminal judgment was based upon a plea of no contest or nolo contendere.
(g) For the purposes of this section, if a person dumps litter or raw human waste from a commercial vehicle, that person is presumed to have dumped the litter or raw human waste for commercial purposes.
(h) In the criminal trial of a person charged with violating this section, the state does not have the burden of proving that the person did not have the right or authority to dump the litter or raw human waste or that litter or raw human waste dumped on private property causes a public nuisance. The defendant has the burden of proving that he or she had authority to dump the litter or raw human waste and that the litter or raw human waste dumped does not cause a public nuisance.
(i) It shall be the duty of all law enforcement officers to enforce the provisions of this section.
(j) Any person who violates the provisions of subsection (5) is guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083; provided, however, that any person who dumps more than 500 pounds or more than 100 cubic feet of raw human waste, or who dumps any quantity of such waste for commercial purposes, is guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in paragraph (c).
(7) ENFORCEMENT BY CERTAIN COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEES.--Employees of counties or municipalities whose duty it is to ensure code compliance or to enforce codes and ordinances may be designated by the governing body of the county or the municipality to enforce the provisions of this section. Designation of such employees shall not provide the employees with the authority to bear arms or to make arrests. (8) ENFORCEMENT OF OTHER REGULATIONS.--This section does not limit the authority of any state or local agency to enforce other laws, rules, or ordinances relating to litter or solid waste management.

Read it and read it well it is a very tricky law that is so ambigious that it should be illegal to enforce.

And think that that they dont enforce it , think again, they do, as a matter of fact they dont even have to catch you in the act red handed, they can prosecute base on video survalince or pictures, so keep this on mind and make sure to get a reclaim system with a holding tank, and dispose of your waste properly.


Good luck,


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Joe

Funny you would say that. The first place I went to talk about the business was PSI on Clark Rd and left 20 min. later thinking I wouldn't trust these guys to take my garbage out. I'm thinking of having Mobile Hose and Supply ( know anything about em? ) set up my trailer. But I'm going to go up to Clearwater Tues. and talk to PWP first. I think I'm going to get my trailer @ Barry's because I've worked with them before. I already talked to Barry and he'll sell me one of his 5x10 for $900.

Thanks for the litter law info.


You care if I call you sometime and pick your brain?
 
Could I get some advice about wether to spend $2,900 on a 4gpm hot water or 5.5 gpm cold water starting out if I wanted to try and stay mostly with residential flat work with the idea of building into smaller commercial flat work? If I use hot I have less chemicals right?
 
Lori at PWP will set you up great they do quality work and are honest and have a great reputation.

For residential work, stick with the biggest cold water machine you can afford. The commercial market in Sarasota, Venice and Bradenton is pretty locked up, but the resi market is wide open. There are like 50 guys with small trailers running all over those areas and they are all busy, so there must be a need for more. Every time we stop to get fuel in those ares we get bombarded with those guy crawling all over our big trailers.

If you are talking about the mobile hose and supply in Venice off of 41, I didn't think that he built trailers, just sold equipment. I have gone to him a few time to get hoses fixed and what not, he seems like a good guy but I just dint think that he builds ground up rigs. Maybe you can consider building your own rig, it is a pretty simple process.

By the way, get yourself some sort of 12 volt chem pump, there are a million tile roofs around here, and you could stay busy just doing them, there is a company around here called Hoovers Pressure Washing, they clean tile roofs and use something called roof a cide, dont know much about it except the comany sent me some samples a few years back i tried it and got zero results, but they would be your biggest compitition for roofs in our area, I have never seen them do any commercial, but his helpers are forever calling us for a job.

Give me a call anytime. 800-661-5349 ext 4

Joe
 
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